The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Shelga wrote: »

I do not understand, and will never understand, why women like the lady speaking now, want to take away the CHOICE of other women, just because it isn't what she would do.

The Yes side would support pro-life women to carry on with their pregnancy, the No side would decide for every single person in the country.

Can't stomach it.

So you'd have no problem say as soon as a woman has the baby she has the choice to kill/harm it? But sure it's her baby? She has the choice to do what she wants with it?

AlexisM wrote: »

She wrote in the Irish Times a few months ago that, as a 15 year old she held her mother's miscarried 13 week old foetus.  What mother allows THAT?

She said the same on Pat Kenny the other morning,thought it very odd

fxotoole wrote: »

Abortion is already in. Women are already getting abortions. Voting no won't stop this from happening.

It will stop higher rates and save lives. Simon Harris made a silly point arguing for abortion and then saying mothers are the greatest protectors of the unborn, it was contradictory. Abortion is not protecting the unborn.

Python Desk wrote: »

I do think that's bias as your focus of concern is the mother, the no side have shown compassion for the unborn.

At least 155,000 abortions since the 8th was passed, and the No side have never mounted any credible opposition to that. They have no compassion for the unborn.

seamus wrote: »

Go look up videos of knee replacement surgery.

Violent, gruesome and disturbing doesn't begin to describe it.

Why someone thinks watching videos of a surgical procedure is a good idea is beyond me. Unless you're a student doctor.

I said it before and I'll say it again; if the legalisation of any procedure was dependent on me watching a video of it, then we'd all still be using leaches. I can barely watch hospital TV dramas, never mind the real thing!

Larbre34 wrote: »

The No side were calling him out for months. Turns out he was being kept to spring from the bench in injury time and burst the back of the net. Jokes on them...

I think I said it in the last thread, but it was a mistake for the No side to continually carp on about Harris. I've seen him debate and speak before, and he is very effective. More so than they realised perhaps.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No side had their foots in their mouths from the get go. One after another they were rebutted and ran into brick walls when trying to tease out the logic of ther position. Healy Eames being a case in point, but you also had Trevor, Peadar and Anscough delivering too.

Sherlock and Steen know the game is over.

Sherlock and Steen remind me of the bad guy at the start of the second Avengers movie; the Avengers are storming the castle, and he's telling his troops to never give up and all the while he's slipping out the back door.

zeebre12 wrote: »

So you'd have no problem say as soon as a woman has the baby she has the choice to kill/harm it? But sure it's her baby? She has the choice to do what she wants with it?

A born baby has a lot more rights as a natural citizen does than a fetus.

Massive difference between killing a born citizen and terminating a 12 week fetus.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Do we really think she did... Or was it a soundbite for the telly

Hmm..

It's part of a subliminal direction to voters. The other part is their posters saying 'if you saw an abortion you'd vote no.' It's basically daring people to Google abortion videos. It's a youth defence style tactic and a stupid one at that.

Pleasantly surprised by the level of debate on Prime Time. Worst for me was that Psychiatrist from TCD who wouldn't answer anything except demanding we all hear that mental health problems exist, in case you hadn't noticed.

DubInMeath wrote: »

Very weak argument that has been done before. Abortion is legal in most countries, including the limited choice available here, murder of living person isn't.

So if it was legal you'd have no problem with it? So you have no problem with abortion being banned right now because that's the law...

doylefe wrote: »

The old mental health card. Clear as day it's used as an excuse, ticking a box exercise in the process of getting an abortion.

Suicide is the leading cause of maternal death in the developed world. Sure mental health is just an excuse.

Well as it happens I had to have a haemoroidectomy recently and out of boredom one day prior to surgery I looked it up online...was not pretty but I knew it was essential to have it done for my health.

I also wrote " Be Gentle " upside down on the back of my thighs for the surgeon to see:D

Anyways where was I..oh yes....REPEAL!!!

seamus wrote: »

Go look up videos of knee replacement surgery.

Violent, gruesome and disturbing doesn't begin to describe it.

Why someone thinks watching videos of a surgical procedure is a good idea is beyond me. Unless you're a student doctor.

Python Desk wrote: »

Likewise it could be argued that killing the unborn is sick and unacceprable.

And equally it could be argued that it isn't.

Python Desk wrote: »

Likewise the yes side are morally bankrupt as they refuse to protect the unborn.

Well the first thing Simon Harris said tonight was that life of the unborn must be protected in Irish law which is at odds with what some of the yes people in here who seem to think its none of our business.

Its hard to believe that there are people here who says that a living being in a mother's womb should not be protected or people allowed a view on it.

Shelga wrote: »

I do not understand, and will never understand, why women like the lady speaking now, want to take away the CHOICE of other women, just because it isn't what she would do.

\Unfortunately something the human race has never had a shortage of is people who don't like other people doing what they wouldn't do themselves. Just not doing it themselves isn't enough, it seems.