Where are the 2015 no voters now?

Guy:Incognito · 22-05-2018 06:49PM

eeguy wrote: »

I'd love to go back over the opposition posters for the last few referenda and see if any of it actually came through.

I remember a Sinn Fein one for the Nice Treaty saying we'd all be drafted into an EU army and lose our sovereignty. There's was another one saying the Europe would crush Irish farming and we'd have no say in the EU parliament.

And we'd all be working for €1.27 an hour or some such.

lawred2 · 22-05-2018 06:50PM

pleas advice wrote: »

They all moved to Roscommon / South Leitrim

North Leitrim some liberal stronghold or something?

paw patrol · 22-05-2018 06:52PM

I'd say most of the No voters are living their lives as usua,l in the democracy that is Ireland, realising like rational people sometimes you win the vote and sometimes you lose.

gmisk · 22-05-2018 06:52PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Who's agenda got the u2 albums on every iPhone?

Definitely not the gays!
Not guilty on that one lol

FingerDeKat · 22-05-2018 06:53PM

lawred2 wrote: »

North Leitrim some liberal stronghold or something?

No , just nobdy lives there

One eyed Jack · 22-05-2018 07:00PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

They are currently preoccupied with trying to keep bodily autonomy for women outlawed. Too busy with that to worry about LGBTQ relationships presently.

Nobody is campaigning to keep bodily autonomy for women outlawed? Bodily autonomy has never been an absolute right for anyone in the first place, regardless of their sex. There are also plenty of people who are LGBT who voted no in the marriage equality referendum as they saw it as an attack on their culture in a heteronormative society, and there are plenty of women who are campaigning for a no vote in the upcoming referendum, and regardless of the outcome will still have a greater influence than the law over the people in their lives than complete strangers.

22-05-2018 07:01PM

Guy:Incognito wrote:

Something I've thought about over the last week or so, and brought up myself in a thread. What are the opinions of people who opposed the marriage equality laws now, 3 years on . We've had no falling skies, to the best of my knowledge no one's male - female marriage is devalued in any way.

I get this feeling after every referendum. Before each EU vote we were told that we would become part of the EU army & have to go to war etc. Even going back to the divorce referendum we were promised all sorts of evil things would rain down on us.

Same thing will happen here people against abortion won't have abortions. People who feel they have no option will have an abortion as they do now in England anyway. The main difference is after this referendum woman and men can get proper care before during & afterwards without having to travel outs the country.

My money is that the world won't end after the result next Friday

Jimbob1977 · 22-05-2018 07:07PM

The Thought Police have rounded them up.

They are incarcerated at the Ministry of Truth in Dun Laoghaire.

Odhinn · 22-05-2018 07:10PM

eeguy wrote: »

I'd love to go back over the opposition posters for the last few referenda and see if any of it actually came through.

I remember a Sinn Fein one for the Nice Treaty saying we'd all be drafted into an EU army and lose our sovereignty. There's was another one saying the Europe would crush Irish farming and we'd have no say in the EU parliament.

The left generally suspected that essentially the EU would lead to NATO membership. It's a cold war era thing that still lingers in some parts.

lawred2 · 22-05-2018 07:13PM

FingerDeKat wrote: »

No , just nobdy lives there

That sounds lovely

Zebra3 · 22-05-2018 07:34PM

eeguy wrote: »

I'd love to go back over the opposition posters for the last few referenda and see if any of it actually came through.

I remember a Sinn Fein one for the Nice Treaty saying we'd all be drafted into an EU army and lose our sovereignty. There's was another one saying the Europe would crush Irish farming and we'd have no say in the EU parliament.

I think it was Labour had pro-Lisbon posters asking for a yes vote for “jobs and stability”. Then the EU gladly raped us when the economy tanked.

NIMAN · 22-05-2018 07:55PM

I'd hazard a guess most of those who voted NO in 2015 will also be voting NO this Friday.

oceanman · 22-05-2018 08:04PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

I think it was Labour had pro-Lisbon posters asking for a yes vote for “jobs and stability”. Then the EU gladly raped us when the economy tanked.

yeah that was labour alright I think, thankfully gone now never to return I hope...

road_high · 22-05-2018 08:04PM

NIMAN wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess most of those who voted NO in 2015 will also be voting NO this Friday.

There's a common theme with them all usually- No to contraception, no to Divorce, no to Gay Marriage, no to Abortion....you can see the pattern here.

freshpopcorn · 22-05-2018 08:07PM

road_high wrote: »

There's a common theme with them all usually- No to contraception, no to Divorce, no to Gay Marriage, no to Abortion....you can see the pattern here.

I know some of them and they softened to a lot but there's no softening to Friday!

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-05-2018 08:09PM

Don't think the two referendums are in anyway similar

kneemos · 22-05-2018 08:12PM

road_high wrote: »

There's a common theme with them all usually- No to contraception, no to Divorce, no to Gay Marriage, no to Abortion....you can see the pattern here.

No.

BarryD2 · 22-05-2018 08:13PM

.

eeguy · 22-05-2018 08:19PM

road_high wrote: »

There's a common theme with them all usually- No to contraception, no to Divorce, no to Gay Marriage, no to Abortion....you can see the pattern here.

Some people are naturally conservative, and it's been shown that people get more conservative as they get older.

I think that you need to respect the views of those on both sides, and understand why they hold those views.

My gran voted no in the marriage referendum. To her and many of her generation, marriage is sacred between a man and woman. Ridiculing and sneering at the other side isn't constructive. It just forces them further into their beliefs and divides the argument. Better to explain and enlighten people of a different view.

I'm going to vote yes on Friday, but personally I disagree with on demand abortion entirely. But, since there's no way to have a constructive argument while the 8th is in place, I'm all for removing it.

22-05-2018 08:22PM

road_high wrote:

There's a common theme with them all usually- No to contraception, no to Divorce, no to Gay Marriage, no to Abortion....you can see the pattern here.

No?

One eyed Jack · 22-05-2018 08:24PM

road_high wrote: »

There's a common theme with them all usually- No to contraception, no to Divorce, no to Gay Marriage, no to Abortion....you can see the pattern here.

That's not a pattern of anything. That's you seeing what you want to see and making what you want of it. Plenty of young people outright reject using any form of contraception, preferring to take their chances on the basis that "it won't happen to them", plenty of old people in the same boat too preferring to err on the side of throwing caution to the wind. That's certainly not limited to any particular demographic.

Plenty of people voted against divorce because it meant a threat to them losing their wealth and access to their children.

Plenty of people voted against marriage equality (it wasn't "gay marriage" people were being asked to vote on), for reasons stated previously - assimilation into a heteronormative society and what they considered a "patriarchal institution" that there is no place for in a modern society, an institution which has no regard for the diversity of modern families in Ireland.

And finally - abortion. Opinions couldn't be more divided, there really isn't any sort of a pattern can be determined either from those who either agree or disagree with legislating for broadening our laws in Ireland in relation to abortion, and one would want to be fairly blinkered to imagine the diversity of opinions regarding the issue of abortion could be so easily and neatly categorised into any specific groups in Irish society.

end of the road · 22-05-2018 08:27PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

No?

exactly. it's a tiny minority who would vote no to all of those.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-05-2018 08:29PM

Thing is it's too early to say.

Come back in about 10 years time and there'll be loads of kids traumatised by adoption into gay marriages :mad:

It'll be either twice as many dad jokes or an endless loop of "ask your mother"

ford2600 · 22-05-2018 08:31PM

Our constitution is a mess; we have made 34 Ammendments to it, most of them in the last 20 years.

I never felt FG gave a flying fcuk about gay rights; the referendum was a chance to mobilse young voters and box FF into a corner. And it worked.

There was no reason we couldn't have legislated for it, like US States that have done so.

For Jesus freaks the opening page of our constitution might make good reading but for a Republic it is quite something

Bunreacht na hÉireann
In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom
is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all
actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,
Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our
Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers
through centuries of trial,
Gratefully remembering their heroic and
unremitting struggle to regain the rightful
independence of our Nation,
And seeking to promote the common good, with
due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so
that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be
assured, true social order attained, the unity of our
country restored, and concord established with other
nations,
Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this
Constitution.

FingerDeKat · 22-05-2018 08:31PM

eeguy wrote: »

S
I'm going to vote yes on Friday, but personally I disagree with on demand abortion entirely.

This ^^^

You can be pro choice and anti-abortion.

pauliebdub · 22-05-2018 08:35PM

NIMAN wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess most of those who voted NO in 2015 will also be voting NO this Friday.

Yes I would think so too. Surprised to see so many young people campaigning against the abortion referendum, I don't recall seeing that at the marriage referendum.

pauliebdub · 22-05-2018 08:38PM

FingerDeKat wrote: »

This ^^^

You can be pro choice and anti-abortion.

I'm not mad about the practice either as are a lot of other people. I'm surprised the no side did not make more of this rather than adopt entrenched positions that only appeal to their core support who would vote no anyway. They've ran a poor campaign I'm my opinion.

road_high · 23-05-2018 06:17PM

pauliebdub wrote: »

I'm not mad about the practice either as are a lot of other people. I'm surprised the no side did not make more of this rather than adopt entrenched positions that only appeal to their core support who would vote no anyway. They've ran a poor campaign I'm my opinion.

I’m in the same boat. I hate the idea of abortion but realize it’s not for me to decide on the many many different life situations it involves. Therefore I’m an absolute Yes on Friday.
Also think the 8 th Amendment is a very poor piece of legislation and seeks to do the impossible

lawred2 · 23-05-2018 06:33PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I know some of them and they softened to a lot but there's no softening to Friday!

Softened but never enough to vote Yes to anything remotely considered liberal...

DickSwiveller · 23-05-2018 07:58PM

Turnout wasn't huge for the gay marriage Ref. It was most important to a few trendies in the Irish Times and on twatter. This referendum is different.

Where are the 2015 no voters now?

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