Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

sideswipe · 21-05-2018 07:33PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

No mate but they aren't good looking women no matter how you try spin it. I am just being honest. If he can't even chat up them then he probably couldnt get any woman.

I've seen a lot of women talking about it being a sad time to be a women in Ireland. Two murders, possibly sexual assaults in a week on the back of a high profile rape case up north were the accuser ended up the one on trial. my reaction to these things was one of 'Don't be stupid, it's just a couple of bad eggs, not all men are like that.' Then I see comments like the one above and I wonder if maybe I'm wrong, that there are indeed bigger problems with male attitudes in this country.

ProudIRISHman, hang your head- a young girl is dead and you're on here objectifying women in an online video:mad:

Sam Quentin · 21-05-2018 07:34PM

Garlic Butter wrote: »

A lot of people are socially awkward, why such venom towards the term?

I happen to be in the 'thick' of it most weekends(because of my job)and were drink or pubs is involved, then not one bloody person has a right to judge any one-other person/persons. And don't get me started on night clubs and male and female interaction.... Cringe worthy, embarrassing are just 2 words that come to mind..

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 07:34PM

Uncharted wrote: »

Iv been full of drink a hundred times. I still don't leer around like a fcuking tool. Gurning and acting the pr1ck.

Maybe my mind is biased towards him because now I know what his crime was.

I fully accept that there is ZERO context to the video. It could be utterly harmless.
I'm simply making the point that he is acting bizarrely in my opinion. That's all.

Ladies and gentle the voice of reason has arrived

It is amazing how many posters on boards.ie think the guy is acting perfectly normal.

theballz · 21-05-2018 07:34PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

Ladies and gentle the voice of reason has arrived

It is amazing how many posters on boards.ie think the guy is acting perfectly normal.

You clearly don’t get out much loooooool

Robocopwannabe · 21-05-2018 07:36PM

ProudIrishman, it would seem after such a comment about the supposed level of beauty of these ladies in the video that perhaps you my friend may have a problem when it comes to the female of the species.

As regards others comments about socially awkward, Ted Bundy was a womanizer and serial killer.

As a bar man I see a lot of half eejits especially when they are drunk. And a lot of socially awkward people. But it would warrant a little more than that before I would start worrying about said persons future actions as a rapist or serial killer

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 07:38PM

sideswipe wrote: »

I've seen a lot of women talking about it being a sad time to be a women in Ireland. Two murders, possibly sexual assaults in a week on the back of a high profile rape case up north were the accuser ended up the one on trial. my reaction to these things was one of 'Don't be stupid, it's just a couple of bad eggs, not all men are like that.' Then I see comments like the one above and I wonder if maybe I'm wrong, that there are indeed bigger problems with male attitudes in this country.

ProudIRISHman, hang your head- a young girl is dead and your on here objectifying women in an online video:mad:

Ah jesus im not objectifying women. I am saying that the guy OBVIOUSLY had a sense of entitlement that he deserved any woman and as the vdeo shows he couldnt even get normal women. So all this resentment builds in this sick ****. He starts to drive around thinking about it but not acting. Until one day he sees a pretty young 'exotic' looking girl and he acts on his impulse. It is sick but I honestly believe that the men that act like that man does in that video are the men you should keep your daughters/sisters/female friends away from.

seamus · 21-05-2018 07:39PM

TheChosenOne_ wrote: »

This may be a bit off topic, but what is really bugging me about this situation is on twitter. People using this as an excuse to moan about 'male entitlement' and how badly treated women are in this country.

Don't get me wrong, this has been a bad few days, but it's just a few bad days with sever consequences. Nothing got to to with how 'badly treated' women are in this country

Yeah, even as a dirty lefty I'd have to say that anyone trying to use this week's examples as typical of "normalised" violence against women are barking up the wrong tree.

Even in the 1800s these would have been shocking cases.

TheChosenOne_ · 21-05-2018 07:39PM

That video of him in the bar drunk hanging around those women.... I see that exact stuff (and worse) happen each weekend. Should I act ahead and report these individuals to the gardai??

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 07:41PM

Robocopwannabe wrote: »

ProudIrishman, it would seem after such a comment about the supposed level of beauty of these ladies in the video that perhaps you my friend may have a problem when it comes to the female of the species.

As regards others comments about socially awkward, Ted Bundy was a womanizer and serial killer.

As a bar man I see a lot of half eejits especially when they are drunk. And a lot of socially awkward people. But it would warrant a little more than that before I would start worrying about said persons future actions as a rapist or serial killer

So I have a problem with woman because I point out that the woman in the video weren't anything to write home about?

I was making the point that the fact he couldnt even hold the attention of normal looking women when combined with his sense of entitlement must have made him furious and this built and built in him until one day he acted.

Aineoil · 21-05-2018 07:41PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

Dont you dare pull the respect card when you are the one defending this POS.

I am making the point that there are lots of men like this man who have a sense of entitlement, who are angry with women for rejecting their advances and who are socially excluded. These are the type of men that we as society need to keep an eye on.

And calling me stupid again? Come on you got away with it the first time.. now twice you've personally abused me. Discuss my opinion without resorting to name calling as I believe thats against boards.ie rules?

How do you know he had a sense of entitlement? How do you know he was angry with women for rejecting his advances?

How can you tell from a video posted online whether someone had an intent to commit murder?

Who are these "type of men we as society need to keep an eye on"? How should we keep an "eye on" them?

I have no problem with you having an opinion. But an opinion isn't fact either.

tayto lover · 21-05-2018 07:43PM

Before this thread ends would it be possible to create a directory of all the experts who have posted on it. You never know when the might be needed again .

DellyBelly · 21-05-2018 07:44PM

wellwhynot wrote: »

So very sad. What a waste of a life. I know people who know Mark Hennessy and they seem to have a lot more information than seems to be in the press. I am not going to say it here but if true I am sure it will come out over the coming days. My thoughts are with the poor innocent woman he murdered and her family.

Have heard the same. I'm sure it will all come out over the coming weeks/months

Strazdas · 21-05-2018 07:45PM

TheChosenOne_ wrote: »

This may be a bit off topic, but what is really bugging me about this situation is on twitter. People using this as an excuse to moan about 'male entitlement' and how badly treated women are in this country.

Don't get me wrong, this has been a bad few days, but it's just a few bad days with sever consequences. Nothing got to to with how 'badly treated' women are in this country

I think it's just incredible bad luck and a horrible fluke that two young women were murdered in the space of a week in Dublin. I wouldn't read anything into it.....both were freak or highly unusual occurrences.

21-05-2018 07:47PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Did he realize that he had been seen abducting her I wonder?
Because if he thought he hadn't been seen, he would have come home that night to pretend everything was normal.
I'm just trying to piece together if he had banked on not being seen and getting away with it or was it a moment of madness and he snapped not caring about the consequences?

From bits I’m reading it seems he had addiction problems, I doubt if he could pretend nothing had happened, it’s possible his partner was used to him being out late, or out all night, and wishing and hoping he would reform, but not bad enough to kill someone. It’s even possible he was violent to her on occasions. It will all come out, we’ll be hearing much about this in the future.

21-05-2018 07:51PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

Not to be bad but for all we know his wife was like him (not the murderer part the socially awkward part)

Watching that video of him in the pub shows he was utterly disastrous with women and they weren't even lookers judging from their bodies...

I'm starting to think you might be deflecting/projecting from yourself at this stage. Is this how you are with women and you act like that yourself and that's how you know? Either you've a serious gift or you're talking serious sh*te.

You had a point possibly about tailing the car to a degree but all this body language talk and pseudo psychology is really lowering your stock as a poster that should be taken seriously.

bb12 · 21-05-2018 07:52PM

i'm glad the gardai shot him. no place for people like that in modern society. and it sends a stark message to any other budding rapists/murderers out there. this cannot be the first time he's done this, or at least attacked other women in the build up to a murder. best case scenario is that they will be able to match his dna with any other victims in the last few years and help give them some justice. it might also give some hope to the families of other missing women from that area.

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 07:52PM

Aineoil wrote: »

How do you know he had a sense of entitlement? How do you know he was angry with women for rejecting his advances?

How can you tell from a video posted online whether someone had an intent to commit murder?

Who are these "type of men we as society need to keep an eye on"? How should we keep an "eye on" them?

I have no problem with you having an opinion. But an opinion isn't fact either.

How do I know he had a sense of entitlement???

Ehh abducting and murdering a girl for his own sexual gratification is a big ****ing give away.

Sam Quentin · 21-05-2018 07:53PM

Garlic Butter wrote: »

That's where you are wrong, people do have the right to judge people, you seem to be doing it yourself on this thread.

I'm just saying I would be more inclined to think that people who need drink to go to basically any event and may seem like the 'life and soul' of the party!? Well I would merely suggest that they are the socially awkward ones...
I see literally hundreds if not thousands of both male and female acting in a stupid 'awkward' manner(as in the video provided)every weekend,. Some of them have drunk to much, and some after only a couple of beers think they are Brad Pitt or Kelly Brook(I used Kelly as an example because she's an absolute stunner

)
Do you think those I speak off(the hundreds/thousands)should be classed as socially awkward!? I THINK NOT.

bloodless_coup · 21-05-2018 07:53PM

TheChosenOne_ wrote: »

This may be a bit off topic, but what is really bugging me about this situation is on twitter. People using this as an excuse to moan about 'male entitlement' and how badly treated women are in this country.

Don't get me wrong, this has been a bad few days, but it's just a few bad days with sever consequences. Nothing got to to with how 'badly treated' women are in this country

Texter into Newstalk this afternoon described how women in Ireland live in fear and are constantly on the end of violent crime and that the misogynist media are brushing it under the carpet and that there needs to be international attention drawn on the situation to rectify it.

I nearly crashed with the groan and eyerolling induced by hearing that text read out as if it was fact by Ciara Kelly.

Robocopwannabe · 21-05-2018 07:53PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

So I have a problem with woman because I point out that the woman in the video weren't anything to write home about?

I was making the point that the fact he couldnt even hold the attention of normal looking women when combined with his sense of entitlement must have made him furious and this built and built in him until one day he acted.

You are clearly objectifying women, suggesting it should be all about looks whether a man bothers to chat them up and whether they respond to said man. So all women you consider ugly or below your standards should fall at your feet should you grace them with your precious company

And you can’t gather a synopsis like you have made from a 20 second video clip of a man I presume you never met before

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 08:05PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

So he took her because of her nationality, which makes sense because a lot of Irish men think they are God's gift to girls from poorer nationalities.

Then this contradictory guff;

Even if you're not a troll, get some help.

That would be the sense of entitlement coming in.. he felt he could take her and do what he wanted because he deserved it and he is superior to her. This is a common theme in most rapists

Idont need any help for calling out a creep as a creep. Did I miss something or is the guy in the video not the same guy that abducted and murdered an innocent girl?

eviltwin · 21-05-2018 08:06PM

She was an only child

jaykay74 · 21-05-2018 08:07PM

I wonder will we get some sympathetic background pieces, pillar of the community, did a lot of good etc. like with the guy who murdered his wife and kids recently.

Strazdas · 21-05-2018 08:09PM

RTE News reporting that poor Jastine probably died very shortly after being abducted, less than an hour or something.

Reati · 21-05-2018 08:10PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

I wonder will we get some sympathetic background pieces, pillar of the community, did a lot of good etc. like with the guy who murdered his wife and kids recently.

That'll be interesting. I find the constant need to state "father of two" strange also. Like being a father makes he móre or less a monster.

yosser hughes · 21-05-2018 08:10PM

Getting back to the crime itself.
When the Gardai were first alerted that a woman had been punched and dragged in to a car, what did they do then? They were given a reg. plate and a witness account of an assault and abduction.
When did they follow that up and go to the registered address of the owner of that car? Or did they only start following it up, after receiving a report of a missing person later that night and several hours after the first report?
They only started searching the scene of the abduction the next morning.
I won't hold my breath waiting for the likes of Paul Reynolds to ask hard questions of the Gardai.

eigrod · 21-05-2018 08:11PM

This 9 o clock news is one of the most upsetting I ever remember. Lump in my throat. Such an absolutely awful end to 2 beautiful young lives with so much ahead of them

AnneFrank · 21-05-2018 08:14PM

Rip Jastine, I'm so sorry, I wish our country valued life

caviardreams · 21-05-2018 08:15PM

Strazdas wrote: »

RTE News reporting that poor Jastine probably died very shortly after being abducted, less than an hour or something.

Yes, this struck me too. Within 45 minutes or so they said. So quick

Hard to believe it all happened in such a short space of time.

Alf Veedersane · 21-05-2018 08:15PM

yosser hughes wrote: »

Getting back to the crime itself.
When the gardia were first alerted that a woman had been punched and dragged in to a car, what did they do then? They were given a reg. plate and a witness account of an assault and abduction.
When did they follow that up and go to the registered address of the owner of that car? Or did they only start following it up, after receiving a report of a missing person later that nigh several hours after the first report?
They only started searching the scene of the abduction the next morning.
I won't hold my breath waiting for the likes of Paul Reynolds to ask hard questions of the Gardai.

They didn't have the the plate to start. They had a partial reg, as I understand. Then cctv to get the full reg. Called to his house...got his mobile number and began trying to locate using that.

That's a rough outline of what I gleaned anyway.

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