The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Ah now, there’s a time and a place for a nice bit of dry humping!

It’s probably been said already but the current line up for the prime time debate is Simon Harris and Prof Mary Higgins for yes, Cora Sherlock and peadar Tobin for no!

I heard Ronan Mullen for No this evening. The No's will be happy if he's off the case.
I'd be 50/50 about Harris.

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

You comments are based on catholic dogma - sex for procreation only, what a joke. The priests don't even adhere to that nonsense.

Bishop Casey had no problem procreating and then paying off the lady he left literally holding the baby - is that what you consider accepting your responsibilities.

No way are you in your 20's and if you are, you are only being a troll.

I can say Repeal all the way as much as I like and there is nothing that you can do about it. This is a democracy.

Genuine question...are you lacking in reading comprehension? Where have I mentioned religion??

I am certainly in my 20s , I'm just not some self centered egotistical slave to my senses who thinks the most important things involve me , what I want, how I can indulge as much as possible without repercussion and driven by a me first agenda that's narcissistic to the very core. I can continue with s list of things if you wish

Yes, in aware it's the antithesis to your typical Irish mid twenties... but guess what I exist. DEAL WITH IT

You can say what you want ...but if you're not willing to debate without deflection... you're words are both useless and meaningless in this context

Anita Blow wrote: »

If you want to learn more about the efficacy of various contraceptives you can look up the Pearl index. With typical use, 9/100 women on the oral contraceptive pill will still become pregnant. With condoms I believe it's 2/100

Per year.
2 per year and 9 per year.

It adds up quickly over the years you're sexually active and fertile.

Even sterilisation has something like a 1 in 400 lifetime failure rate. Sounds tiny but when you multiply that by the hundreds of thousands in the fertile and sexually active category, you're talking hundreds of pregnancies.

Dressing gown wrote: »

Can I ask you if you are married or in a stable long term relationship? It’s fine to preach not to have intercourse with your partner but it is not a realistic option in the lives of the majority of couples in long term loving relationships in 2018.

It’s about as realistic as saying I don’t think people should have abortions so I’m going to make it as difficult as I can to prevent it and that will stop it. Because that doesn’t work either. It just drives it underground and causes unnecessary suffering for everyone involved.

I am and it's very stable thank you. And I never mentioned whether or not I abstain, am trying for a child m I said if someone wants to not fall pregnant they should not engage in intercourse

It's the equivalent of saying if you don't want to burn your hand, don't put it in the fire...use the tongs for coal instead

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Isn’t it great for you that you don’t feel the desire to enjoy some of the most basic biological urges. Many of us do. We exist. DEAL WITH IT.

Perhaps it's the biological urges you need to deal with better...not use the termination of a pregnancy as a fix it for a mistake that never needed to happen to begin with

Do you see the difference?

Dressing gown wrote: »

Unless you work in the field I am afraid your opinion on the nature of the terminations is just that, an opinion.

How many other parts of the Irish constitution and legislation do you likewise refuse to voice any opinion on?

Kiith wrote: »

I'm assuming i would have gotten my voting card by now, if i got in on the supplementary registrar, right?

I was away and sent my application in late, so i think i may have missed it :mad:

Mine arrived just today. They dropped me off the register "by accident" when nobody answered the door for a census. Never got an actual explanation and I had to phone them to get re-registered. Total muppets.

pone2012 wrote: »

Genuine question...are you lacking in reading comprehension? Where have I mentioned religion??

I am certainly in my 20s , I'm just not some self centered egotistical slave to my senses who thinks the most important things involve me , what I want, how I can indulge as much as possible without repercussion and driven by a me first agenda that's narcissistic to the very core. I can continue with s list of things if you wish

Yes, in aware it's the antithesis to your typical Irish mid twenties... but guess what I exist. DEAL WITH IT

You can say what you want ...but if you're not willing to debate without deflection... you're words are both useless and meaningless in this context

Hmmm. From a physiological profiling point of view, and not wanting to cause you any upset, I would hazard a guess that you may be harbouring some deep set issues stemming from a traumatic childhood? I may be wrong of course, and this is hardly the forum for such a discussion, but some of your comments and ideas moulded under the umbrella of this referendum are very strange indeed. You seem to be simmering under the surface with so much hurt and pain. Sometimes forums such as these can cause so much more harm than good. As a survivor of a traumatic childhood myself, I hope you eventually find happiness. Pick your battles in life and be kind to yourself.

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Ah now, there’s a time and a place for a nice bit of dry humping!

It’s probably been said already but the current line up for the prime time debate is Simon Harris and Prof Mary Higgins for yes, Cora Sherlock and peadar Tobin for no!

Simon Harris wouldn't be my first choice, but I like professor Mary Higgins she knows her stuff (I would have gone for professor Louise Kenny personally).
Peader Tobin is strong and a good debater, cora Sherlock..bit of a clueless cold fish imo... Not great i suppose they couldn't put out Maria steen again but she is by far strongest debater the no side have imo.

gmisk wrote: »

Simon Harris wouldn't be my first choice, but I like professor Mary Higgins she knows her stuff (I would have gone for professor Louise Kenny personally).
Peader Tobin is strong and a good debater, cora Sherlock..bit of a clueless cold fish imo... Not great i suppose they couldn't put out Maria steen again but she is by far strongest debater the no side have imo.

I read that and thought you were responding to the first paragraph.

I've been reading these threads on and off for the last few weeks and planning to contribute but never doing so.

So first things first, I will be voting YES on Friday. I am a middle aged male born in Dublin and living in rural Ireland for the last 15 years.

If I was to call the outcome based on what I see on the lampposts of rural Ireland it would be a resounding no vote. It is extraordinary the amount of funds the no side have. Drove through a small village in the midlands on Saturday. Out of curiosity I decided to count the posters going through. It was 18 no and 4 yes.

I expect rural Ireland to vote no comfortably, possibly over 65%. Thankfully though when I am in Dublin the situation is reversed. Urban Ireland will carry this but only just.

The no campaign has been all too predictable. Far right conservatives from the church and Bible belt America are funding a campaign in the gutter. Pictures of dead foetuses, abortion is murder etc. And outlandish claims devoid of any truth. Absolutely disgusting.

The yes side have not covered themselves in glory either. In my opinion they have been distasteful in their minimising of the life growing inside the mother. Refusing to use the words child or baby to avoid uncomfortable discussion.

It is not getting rid of a ripped pair of jeans, it is a human life. Abortion is absolutely horrific. But I have come to the conclusion that it is a choice that only the woman in crisis can make.

There should be unbiased help for women available immediately and free of charge in a clinical setting (not a church funded family agency). And if she decides to abort the baby then so be it.

Finally, I have to really wonder why the elderly population will overwhelmingly vote no. They are the people who know the horrors of how pregnant women outside marriage were treated. It just beggars belief.

So Ireland, let our mothers, sisters, daughters and granddaughters make that awful decision if it ever happens. Vote YES on Friday.