The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Dressing gown · 21-05-2018 05:22PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

That's what I'm looking to do. This isn't the only place I'm asking/checking.
I'm not looking to be recruited, and I'm old enough to see those who just wish to sway me.

I’m a mum to two daughters. I’m voting yes because I never want them to be in the position the families facing FFA that have to travel have to endure. I would 100% stand behind wanting for you to vote yes too.

I’m voting yes for lots and lots of other reasons too but that’s probably the main one.

Re your questions, you need to take a step back and realise the question is whether the 8th amendment should be repealed or not. From a legal point of view I think it has no place in the Irish constitution. We should have greater respect for our country and our laws than to maintain a law that is openly flouted and not enforced. We should also take responsibility for our social problems rather than exporting them to the UK. We should also provide for those women facing the difficult situation in a safe environment with their family supports around them. I’ve gone on at length on my views I won’t bore you by rehashing them.

Q1-12 weeks is for everyone-this is to ensure victims of rape are covered without retraumatising them
Q2-really sorry juggling youngest and can’t remember it sorry!
Q3-dad has as much say as currently-it will depend on his relationship with his partner and that is between him and his partner to resolve.i imagine it can be brought up in the Dail but I can’t imagine this will change in the short term

Nollog · 21-05-2018 05:23PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

If you're definitely on the register, just take ID such as a passport. Afaik, that should be enough.

Cheers. I did a Google and seems a few others have the same problem.

spookwoman · 21-05-2018 05:24PM

fxotoole wrote: »

Pone2012 - may I ask what your feelings are on oral sex? Since it’s purely for pleasure and not for procreational purposes, like?

Can I add to that question if abortion is killing is a blowjob canniballism?

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2018 05:24PM

fxotoole wrote: »

Pone2012 - may I ask what your feelings are on oral sex? Since it’s purely for pleasure and not for procreational purposes, like?

I am not Pone2012 but over this debate I've followed several people online in the No campaign a good few seem very conservative and my understanding is they'd be against it!

Bredabe · 21-05-2018 05:32PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

I didn't get my voting card. I checked the register late last month, I was on there. I just checked it there now and it's saying I'm not found.

Anything I can do to get my vote now?

If you have time ring your council to check, bring photo id and something with your current address(bills etc) to prove who and where you are. That is usually all they ask for.

Water John · 21-05-2018 05:34PM

Eamon O'Cuiv on Six One, interviewed by Keelan Shanley. Very poor performance by him. He suggests we look at Rape, Incest and FFA, after voting NO.

Cupcake_Crisis · 21-05-2018 05:35PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I am not Pone2012 but over this debate I've followed several people online in the No campaign a good few seem very conservative and my understanding is they'd be against it!

Imagine being against oral sex. You’d want to have literally nothing else to be worried about.

21-05-2018 05:40PM

anyone know the timetable for the debates this week?? rte and the likes???

It wasnt me123 · 21-05-2018 05:43PM

pone2012 wrote: »

So you engage in sexual intercourse solely for s side effect and ignore its primary purpose?

Yeah I'd put that up there with crazy.... right beside eating when you're not even hungry because you like the taste, or hunting and killing an animal not for food, but because "you like it "

Yes I tend not to do agree with that "slave to the senses" mentality...it's quite problematic

Luckily these dinosaurs will die out before too long and normal relations will resume.

I wonder what you think of the two priests in Rome that got caught in bed together? Let your local priest know that you don't agree with the slave to the senses mentality and discuss your disgust with him. I'm sure he'd be delighted.

I for one don't believe in the catholic dogma that sex is for procreation only and funnily enough nor does Bishop Casey and probably a whole lot more.

Do as I say not as I do - that's how the priests do it.

Your sentiments do not find a friend in a reasonable modern society.
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Repeal all the way - body autonomy for all

Dressing gown · 21-05-2018 05:44PM

Folks four days to go. A number of people will be turning to various sources to try to make up their minds. I’m all for having a laugh but given the deadline maybe try not to get drawn into pages of nonsense discussion so that people actually trying to decide aren’t turned off from seeing the reasoned debate. I do think some lines of conversation have been purposefully obtuse to make the thread look a bit silly. If we can help a few people make up their minds that would be great.

Hotblack Desiato · 21-05-2018 05:45PM

From the old thread yesterday:

DOS wrote:

It always amazes me how the progressive liberals who strive to create a society of rights and equality always show their true colours by comments like the ageist one above.

Surely a person's age is irrelevant, like gender, sexuality etc?

It's not ageist to state that the average age at a "pro-life" novena is likely to be 80+, it's just a fact.

It's relevant to this discussion because it's symbolic of the massive decline in RCC participation and influence in our society, yet they still think our constitution and laws should reflect catholic doctrine.

I'll try to grab a pic on my way home and post it here, to get to the polling station in the church hall next to the church I mentioned, you have to walk through a gate which has a big "pro-life novena" poster on each pillar. This is the sort of crap which should absolutely not be allowed. I doubt the posters will be taken down by Friday but perhaps they will.

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2018 05:46PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Imagine being against oral sex. You’d want to have literally nothing else to be worried about.

Now I'm not Mr Bible but I suppose if that's your thing that's your thing. Just don't expect it to be the law.

jigglypuffstuff · 21-05-2018 05:51PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I understand that the RCC taught us all this when we were children. I know they tried to brainwash us, however, you can have sex in a loving healthy relationship without wanting children. This is allowed, no matter what the priests & nuns told ya!

I didn't mention my religious affiliation, you are assuming... why?

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Careful there. You're looking a bit triggered.

I am certainly not...of you read back I'm not the crying "how dare you"

Bredabe wrote: »

I was 'prescribed' sexual release by health professionals for everything from tummy cramp to teeth grinding. Its obviously not just for procreation or it wouldn't be designed to be such a great stress reliever.

And release is achieved adequately with outercourse...so stop making excuses

fxotoole wrote: »

Pone2012 - may I ask what your feelings are on oral sex? Since it’s purely for pleasure and not for procreational purposes, like?

What feelings exactly? I think it's apparent from the previous replies.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Imagine having sex with the person you love for the fun of it, to show your affection and bond as a couple. The absolute insanity of it! Who would do such a thing!

Imagine creating a child without consent, then terminating that same life without consent solely for convience because you cannot do adhere to what is in praxis, a minimal amount of restraint

Speaks volumes about character and mindset

robarmstrong · 21-05-2018 05:52PM

Water John wrote: »

Eamon O'Cuiv on Six One, interviewed by Keelan Shanley. Very poor performance by him. He suggests we look at Rape, Incest and FFA, after voting NO.

Voting no just shuts down the attempts at legislation of those he suggests we look at.

Where's the common sense?

Vote Yes - Lobby for legislation desired - bring that legislation in, it's simple.

Pa8301 · 21-05-2018 05:53PM

And release is achieved adequately with outercourse...so stop making excuses

What is outercourse?! I've never actually heard that term before.

It wasnt me123 · 21-05-2018 05:53PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It's not ageist to state that the average age at a "pro-life" novena is likely to be 80+, it's just a fact.

Maybe closer to 60+ but definitely people still held in the RCC clutches

"pro-life novena" poster on each pillar. This is the sort of crap which should absolutely not be allowed. I doubt the posters will be taken down by Friday but perhaps they will.

This poster will have to be removed on polling day. Nothing advocating yes or no can be within 50 metres of a polling both. The polling booth staff will have that down by 7am.

Anita Blow · 21-05-2018 05:55PM

Monkey09 wrote: »

I realise that contraception is not 100% effective. However, when used correctly, I believe it is very effective. I'm not sure exactly what the figures are but I believe it is about 99% if not more. The women who are unlucky enough to find themselves pregnant as a result of failed contraception are tiny. We should not change our laws so radically to deal with this very rare occurrence.

If you want to learn more about the efficacy of various contraceptives you can look up the Pearl index. With typical use, 9/100 women on the oral contraceptive pill will still become pregnant. With condoms I believe it's 2/100

jigglypuffstuff · 21-05-2018 05:56PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Luckily these dinosaurs will die out before too long and normal relations will resume.

I wonder what you think of the two priests in Rome that got caught in bed together? Let your local priest know that you don't agree with the slave to the senses mentality and discuss your disgust with him. I'm sure he'd be delighted.

I for one don't believe in the catholic dogma that sex is for procreation only and funnily enough nor does Bishop Casey and probably a whole lot more.

Do as I say not as I do - that's how the priests do it.

Your sentiments do not find a friend in a reasonable modern society.
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Repeal all the way - body autonomy for all

#1 I have never mentioned religion once

#2 I'm in my twenties

Perhaps actually discuss the topic instead of deflecting and hiding behind stupid phrases like repeal all the way

Mind you given the fact they you based your last post on absolutely nothing...I won't hold my breath

Sofiztikated · 21-05-2018 05:56PM

Pa8301 wrote: »

And release is achieved adequately with outercourse...so stop making excuses

What is outercourse?! I've never actually heard that term before.

Dry humping.

Is this poster actually against oral sex? And what in the jaysis has that to do with the 8th?

c.p.w.g.w · 21-05-2018 05:57PM

pone2012 wrote: »

So you engage in sexual intercourse solely for s side effect and ignore its primary purpose?

Yeah I'd put that up there with crazy.... right beside eating when you're not even hungry because you like the taste, or hunting and killing an animal not for food, but because "you like it "

Yes I tend not to do agree with that "slave to the senses" mentality...it's quite problematic

Your poor husband

Cupcake_Crisis · 21-05-2018 05:57PM

pone2012 wrote: »

And release is achieved adequately with outercourse...so stop making excuses

Imagine creating a child without consent, then terminating that same life without consent solely for convience because you cannot do adhere to what is in praxis, a minimal amount of restraint

Speaks volumes about character and mindset

You need to take a breath pal.

If “outercourse” was as “adequate” as sex no one would ever have sex. Then where would be? We’d be wiped out within 100 years.

People are entitled to a healthy sex life. It’s one of the few redeeming qualities of being an adult. Of course we need to take precautions and the majority of people do. Unfortunately we’ve yet to master a form of contraception that’s 100% effective.

robarmstrong · 21-05-2018 05:57PM

pone2012 wrote: »

And release is achieved adequately with outercourse...so stop making excuses

Doing it yourself doesn't feel the same as doing it with others. Why settle for self satisfaction instead of enjoying a loving sexual relationship with your other half? Because I'm certainly not going to be running off for a Tom Hank anytime I want a release but don't want to p!ss off the overbearingly religious by having recreational intercourse with my partner.

pone2012 wrote: »

8magine creating a child without consent, then terminating that same life without consent solely for convience because you cannot do adhere to what is in praxis, a minimal amount of restraint

Speaks volumes about character and mindset

Imagine forcing an unwanted pregnancy on a woman purely because you don't want her to abort a fetus you don't give a toss about what happens after it's born.

Speaks volumes about character and mindset.

Pa8301 · 21-05-2018 05:58PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Dry humping.

Is this poster actually against oral sex? And what in the jaysis has that to do with the 8th?

Jaysus, do people not grow out of that in their teens?!

It wasnt me123 · 21-05-2018 06:02PM

pone2012 wrote: »

#1 I have never mentioned religion once

#2 I'm in my twenties

Perhaps actually discuss the topic instead of deflecting and hiding behind stupid phrases like repeal all the way

Mind you given the fact they you based your last post on absolutely nothing...I won't hold my breath

You comments are based on catholic dogma - sex for procreation only, what a joke. The priests don't even adhere to that nonsense.

Bishop Casey had no problem procreating and then paying off the lady he left literally holding the baby - is that what you consider accepting your responsibilities.

No way are you in your 20's and if you are, you are only being a troll.

I can say Repeal all the way as much as I like and there is nothing that you can do about it. This is a democracy.

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2018 06:05PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Vote Yes - Lobby for legislation desired - bring that legislation in, it's simple.

I actually wouldn't suggest this to people if you want repeal a No voter could say if they can lobby for the legislation to be less liberal what's to stop them them from them lobbying to make more liberal. We are have a fair idea what we are voting on.

robarmstrong · 21-05-2018 06:07PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I actually wouldn't suggest this to people if you want repeal a No voter could say if they can lobby for the legislation to be less liberal what's to stop them them from them lobbying to make more liberal. We are have a fair idea what we are voting on.

No, a lot of people have no idea what we're voting on, a lot of people are still of the mindset we're looking to bring in abortion on demand up to birth. There needs to be more education done rather than scare-mongering.

kylith · 21-05-2018 06:08PM

Pa8301 wrote: »

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Dry humping.

Is this poster actually against oral sex? And what in the jaysis has that to do with the 8th?

Jaysus, do people not grow out of that in their teens?!

Ah, good old frottage.

Gods help anyone who thinks that’s the basis of a fulfilling sex life.

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2018 06:12PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

No, a lot of people have no idea what we're voting on, a lot of people are still of the mindset we're looking to bring in abortion on demand up to birth. There needs to be more education done rather than scare-mongering.

Ok we'll agree to disagree. Most people I know know what we are voting on. Telling people that a bunch of people lobbying the government could get the legislation changed in the future isn't good for either side.
The yes voters I know would be furious if anything less than what was being offered was given because of people lobbying.
The soft yes would be the same if they found out it could be changed in a few years because of people lobbying.

JJayoo · 21-05-2018 06:13PM

Choice vs Church

wexie · 21-05-2018 06:14PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Choice vs Church

Or outercourse vs intercourse apparently...

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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