Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

billybonkers wrote: »

Is it true the police did not investigate the scene of the kidnapping until the next morning?

They focused their attention on looking for the vehicle that they had a clear description of. And tracked it down in short order. What would be the point of searching where she wasn’t any more?

Omackeral wrote: »

His poor family too. A wife and two children who'll have to live with that.

Your heart would go out to all the families involved O , I said it last night . His parents/siblings ,wife,poor children ,they will all be living a nightmare wondering Why ..
Jastines family , doesn't bear thinking about what they will have to face yet as more details come to light .

This has touched everyone I think , the complete insanity of it all

OscarBluth wrote: »

But what makes a rapist? There was a study a number of years ago that showed that in South Africa, 10% of men ADMITTED to having raped a woman - it was a self-reporting study that was totally anonymous. The assumption, if I remember rightly, was that the levels of conflict in South Africa were a huge factor in this. The same applies with soldiers in war zones - lots of sex offences committed by soldiers who realistically, if they hadn't gone to war, would probably have never offended. And in post-conflict societies, it carries on for generations.

The attitudes that lead to this behaviour aren't innate. Something goes wrong - either with individuals, or with society. And when tragic things happen, we have to ask what it takes for us to look at our society and say this is a huge problem, what can we do to address it. Acting like its somehow victimising men to ask the question is a weak response. A tiny proportion of men are involved in this behaviour: but are we going to ignore it because they're male? Or because they're a tiny proportion? It makes no sense.

I'm all for targeting the root causes of violence/sexual violence but I don't think that identifying that the perpetrators are predominantly male is going to tell us much, as you say yourself it's a tiny minority of males who carry out these disgusting acts so clearly root cause is more complex than just being a gender issue.

I don't believe it's as simple as how these men are raised or what pornography they are viewing, I do think that there is probably a mixture of biological, social and nurture issues at the root of these people. I think there are probably endless combinations of each which could be affected by an endless combination of circumstances and as such if there is a solution which can prevent these people developing as they do it would be a complicated one.

I think where our society is badly failing, and this I believe is the simplest way to diminish the pain that these men cause in the short term, is that our judicial system is woefully inadequate for keeping the general public and the vulnerable safe. I believe that any violent/sexually violent crime should be heavily heavily punished with custodial sentences (not concurrent!).

If for instance there is a violent young member of society, and we see this very frequently, who has multiple convictions for violent offences they should be locked up for life. Keep them off the streets and crucially prevent them from having children of their own who are also brought up in violent households and learning violent behaviour and bad attitudes towards women (i.e in some cases against their own mother).

Violence in general is not taken seriously enough in our courts. 3 minor violent offences or 1 serious offence should be punished with at least 10 years in prison without parole. Subsequent convictions should then be punished with life, as in spending the rest of your life in prison. Rape or murder again life, mandatory sentence. This would surely dramatically reduce violent crime in our country.

What a horrible story.

A tragic and senseless death.

Thoughts with the families, RIP Jastine.

billybonkers wrote: »

Is it true the police did not investigate the scene of the kidnapping until the next morning?

A crime scene is usually preserved until the scenes of crime examiners arrive and do a painstaking forensic examination. Trampling all over the area prior to that destroys evidence. Bodies are often left at scenes for many hours to allow the experts do their examination.
I have seen this happen on several occasions near where I live following murders.

bear1 wrote: »

The family is in the Philippines or in Ireland?
If the first, I'm thinking maybe a Gofundme account could be set up?

Parents and Jastine lived in Wicklow for the last three years. Her poor parents, the horror they've just gone through is unimaginable.

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

I think I read somewhere that the parents live in Ireland too.

Would anyone be up for taking part in donations? To help with costs etc.