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Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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  • #782
    tayto lover
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    Why was it necessary to shoot a man - armed with, as it transpired, a knife - multiple times resulting in his death? Are police marksmen not trained to shoot in order to disable rather than kill? It may well be revealed that this clearly very disturbed individual raped and murdered the woman he abducted but the gardai clearly would not have known if this were the case at the time.

    I take it you've never seen the effects of a Stanley knife?


  • #783
    brianblaze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    chicorytip wrote: »
    Why was it necessary to shoot a man - armed with, as it transpired, a knife - multiple times resulting in his death? Are police marksmen not trained to shoot in order to disable rather than kill? It may well be revealed that this clearly very disturbed individual raped and murdered the woman he abducted but the gardai clearly would not have known if this were the case at the time.

    Because this isn't a movie... you discharge a firearm as a final option and it is classed as using deadly force, to kill. If you have cornered someone with a knife capable of maiming or killing someone shoring them in the leg won't deter them from trying to kill.

    In the movies they shoot their hand etc but that isn't feasible in the real world.


  • #784
    billybonkers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    The personal effects were established as found 15 minutes ago.

    Is this 100% true or a guess/gamble. Because this is a public forum where those close to her are privy to and hearing the body has definitely been found is pretty profound

    This is what I have heard, as stated passed on my a journo friend. Happy to edit my post if will cause distress


  • #785
    kingofclay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭kingofclay


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    The only regret that should come out of the shooting is that the horrible c*nt gets to take the easy way out.

    Yeah, he leaves two families changed forever and they will never get any sort of explanation for this madness. My thoughts are with his wife and kids as well as Jastine and her family.


  • #786
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,748 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Body apparently found in Leadmines

    Source?


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  • #787
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Journo friend, a number of personal effects also


    Indo just saying they found her purse


  • #788
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,846 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    Where she has allegedly been found is only a few minutes from where she was taken.


  • #789
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    chicorytip wrote: »
    Why was it necessary to shoot a man - armed with, as it transpired, a knife - multiple times resulting in his death? Are police marksmen not trained to shoot in order to disable rather than kill?

    Don't think you'll find many people prepared to shed tears over the death of this chap. No sympathy whatsoever.


  • #790
    [Deleted User]
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    Mental Mickey wrote: »
    Source?
    billybonkers wrote: »
    Journo friend, a number of personal effects also. Just what was said to me, obviously not released yet.

    Although not official yet, this is the source the poster has given.


  • #791
    Reati
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Reati


    They won't say body found until family informed. Even the journos will hold the line for a little while out of respect.


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  • #792
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    billybonkers wrote: »
    This is what I have heard, as stated passed on my a journo friend. Happy to edit my post if will cause distress

    Please do. There is no other outlet reporting such a huge statement so your journalist friend must be well ahead of the game. Sounds like a "break the news first stab in the dark" to me


  • #793
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/update-jastine-valdezs-purse-found-at-search-site-in-south-county-dublin-844107.html


    https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO/status/998517778306031616


  • #794
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    As another user suggested, the car computer seems to have delivered information about his whereabouts.


  • #795
    conor05
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭conor05


    May she RIP.

    Her family atleast have her body, though their suffering is only starting.

    A lot of families and kids ruined through one mans actions.

    Hope he goes to hell the rotten c**t!


  • #796
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Suckit wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/update-jastine-valdezs-purse-found-at-search-site-in-south-county-dublin-844107.html


    https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO/status/998517778306031616

    That news broke 45 minutes ago in fairness


  • #797
    tayto lover
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    Can we wait until it's confirmed please.


  • #798
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    conor05 wrote: »
    May she RIP.

    Her family atleast have her body, though their suffering is only starting.

    A lot of families and kids ruined through one mans actions.

    Hope he goes to hell the rotten c**t!

    Unconfirmed


  • #799
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    That news broke 45 minutes ago in fairness

    I was posting the updated timeline regarding the speculation of finding a body.

    Hopefully it is rumour. Unconfirmed yet.


  • #800
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    conor05 wrote: »
    May she RIP.

    Her family atleast have her body, though their suffering is only starting.

    A lot of families and kids ruined through one mans actions.

    Hope he goes to hell the rotten c**t!

    You see, here is how one poster's "they found a body" stab in the dark spins out of control. No body has been found yet,


  • #801
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    I'd be willing to bet that some of the people that confronted him before he fled told the Gardaí she was in the car and that was the cause of the confusion about her presence earlier.


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  • #802
    chicorytip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    brianblaze wrote:
    Because this isn't a movie... you discharge a firearm as a final option and it is classed as using deadly force, to kill. If you have cornered someone with a knife capable of maiming or killing someone shoring them in the leg won't deter them from trying to kill.

    brianblaze wrote:
    In the movies they shoot their hand etc but that isn't feasible in the real world.


    This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.


  • #803
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    No body has been found, just her purse


  • #804
    chicorytip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    brianblaze wrote:
    Because this isn't a movie... you discharge a firearm as a final option and it is classed as using deadly force, to kill. If you have cornered someone with a knife capable of maiming or killing someone shoring them in the leg won't deter them from trying to kill.

    brianblaze wrote:
    In the movies they shoot their hand etc but that isn't feasible in the real world.


    This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.


  • #805
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Reati wrote: »
    They won't say body found until family informed. Even the journos will hold the line for a little while out of respect.

    Didn't stop IT releasing grossly wrong information last night. A lot of journos thrive on clickbait these days, it is more nb than empathy. The desparation to be the first to break the news almost always leads to misleading information


  • #806
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    chicorytip wrote: »
    This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

    So they should have stabbed him???


  • #807
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,402 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    chicorytip wrote: »
    This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

    Oh you were there were you . ?


  • #808
    AmberGold
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    Well if that's true the gardai won't get (or deserve) any backlash.


  • #809
    artvanderlay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    He's coming at you with a knife. Would you offer him a nice cup of tea?

    Could they not have shot him in the leg to disable him? She is still missing, and they would have wanted to extract information from him about her whereabouts...I know it all happens very quickly but surely in a situation like this, marksmen should be trained to disable as well as kill. If it was up to me, I'd still shoot the ****er dead but after the girl is found.


  • #810
    Cunning Stunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Cunning Stunt


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    Reati wrote: »
    They won't say body found until family informed. Even the journos will hold the line for a little while out of respect.

    Didn't stop IT releasing grossly wrong information last night. A lot of journos thrive on clickbait these days, it is more nb than empathy. The desparation to be the first to break the news almost always leads to misleading information

    Its actually crazy how much sh*te the IT spewed out over the past 24 hrs. Absolute sloppy journalism!


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  • #811
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,576 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    chicorytip wrote: »
    This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

    They should have just shot it out of his hand :pac:
    You're watching too many John Wayne films.


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