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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    All for this this backwards procedure to be banned, if no society had ever practiced it and someone suggested it today you would be thrown in a loony bin. Interesting to see if it passes as some other Nordic countries have been pondering the issue. I believe once the age of consent is reached they are free to make their choice so overall a reasonable compromise.



    Jewish leaders hit out over Iceland
    The proposal has been put forward by Progressive Party MP Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir and is backed by several other Icelandic politicians.

    Circumcising girls has been illegal in Iceland since 2005, but there is no provision for boys, Gunnarsdóttir told Euronews.

    The bill proposes a six-year prison term for anyone found guilty of “removing part or all of the [child’s] sexual organs”.

    Gunnarsdóttir said she was acting on advice issued by children’s ombudsmen in five Nordic countries. They said in 2013 that “circumcision without a medical indication on a person unable to provide informed consent conflicts with basic principles of medical ethics, particularly because the operation is irreversible, painful and may cause serious complications."

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A YouTuber who claimed being vegan cured her cancer has died from cancer

    https://babe.net/2018/02/14/a-youtuber-who-claimed-being-vegan-cured-her-cancer-has-died-from-cancer-35318/amp

    A YouTuber who said that eating a raw vegan diet, drinking juice and praying to God cured her cancer has passed away.

    Mari Lopez, one half of the vlogging duo Liz & Mari, succumbed to an aggressive terminal cancer that spread to her blood, liver and lungs.

    She was known for posting viral videos about how she was able to cure her stage four diagnosis through faith in God and following a strict diet of raw vegetables.

    Today in an interview with babe, Liz Johnson, who made videos with her aunt Mari, doubled down on her beliefs, saying she "completely" stood by what she posted.

    Liz & Mari made a YouTube channel to share videos on how to cure cancer

    Liz & Mari, whose videos amassed hundreds of thousands of views, regularly posted about how Mari had recovered from a terminal diagnosis through her Christian faith and her discovery of lemon and ginger juice.

    They told their followers in no uncertain terms that they could do the same, uploading how-to videos like STAGE 4 CANCER HEALED BY JUICING & RAW VEGAN DIET PART ONE (nearly 300k views, part two had over 400k).

    iz & Mari gave recipes for juices that would clean "all the toxins" out of your system, and advised what kind of juicing machines work best. In a video, Mari pointed at one juicer and said: "I recovered from cancer with this machine."

    Their videos inspired an outpouring of misguided love from cancer patients and religious viewers who thanked Liz & Mari for sharing their journey. Some fans even said they would encourage their partners to follow a juice diet for their cancer diagnosis.


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    silverharp wrote: »
    babe.net wrote:
    outpouring of misguided love
    ...which reminds me to make my annual recommendation that anybody who's even mildly suspicious of the outpouring of pink things at the slightest mention of cancer, should go grab a copy of Barbara Ehrenreich's "Smile or Die":

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/jan/10/smile-or-die-barbara-ehrenreich


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    From Patheos:

    Christianity is dangerous

    Jesus Christianity made bomb threats.

    Read that sentence again.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Jesus, he's the kind of guy that gives Christianity a bad name!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,533 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,574 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    pauldla wrote: »
    From Patheos:

    Christianity is dangerous

    Jesus Christianity made bomb threats.

    Read that sentence again.
    Bit of a digression here, since it has nothing to do with the hazards of belief, but I hope boardies will forgive me.

    What struck me reading the reports of Jesus Christianity's trial was that none of the media sources made any reference to his weird name, or how he came by it. (Though I suppose we could hazard a guess that there's a deed poll somewhere in his history.)

    Well, meet Meow-Ludo Disco Gamma Meow-Meow, a 33-year old man who has his own troubles with the law, though they are happily less grave than Christianity's. Once again, the weirdest and most interesting thing about this man is scrupulously ignored throughout the report.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    More of the same from religious lunatics, nothing less to be expected really, they'll get their rocks over over Stephen Hawking's death and the truly insane fantasy that he is burning in whatever hell their own particular sky fairy told about.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    From Patheos:

    Jesus taught me to play the saxophone while I was dead

    Atheists, you don't know what you're missing....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    From Wokesloth.com:

    The 'Sweet Jesus' ice cream parlor chain in Canada is annoying some Christians:

    Christians Are Having Meltdowns Over This ‘Satanic’ Ice Cream Shop

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "A young farmer from the lowest rung of India's caste hierarchy - the Dalit community - has been beaten to death, apparently for owning and riding a horse.

    Police in Gujarat state said three upper-caste men had been detained for questioning.

    The victim's father said his son had been warned not to ride the horse as this was an upper-caste privilege."
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43605550


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    The number of catholics attending religious services continues its decades-long decline:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/catholics-attending-mass-gallup-study_us_5acd082ae4b06a6aac8c7506


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    With all the talk of targeted advertising of late, I stifled a laugh when presented with this on the A&A this morning. You think maybe the algorithm forked up or am I due a conversion in the near future?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,574 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, just remember that the internet knows you better than you know yourself!

    I'm also getting an ad from Mary Immaculate College, but it's not for for Christian Leadership, but "research programmes in education". Not sure whether the internet thinks I need better research skills, or just more education.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Well, just remember that the internet knows you better than you know yourself

    Artificial stupidity still alive and well on the world wide web. Don't think the robots will be taking over just yet.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    10% of 80% of 50% of national income could be what? Asking for a friend.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43286733


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    robindch wrote: »
    10% of 80% of 50% of national income could be what? Asking for a friend.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43286733

    I'm having maths class flash backs now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,533 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/bavarian-crusade-sparks-political-protest-1.3476941
    Bavarian crusade sparks political protest


    While thousands of Berliners donned kippas this week in protest against rising anti-Semitism, Bavaria’s conservative state government has embraced the crucifix.

    Bavaria’s new state premier, Markus Söder, issued a decree ordering all state ministries and public offices to display a cross in their entrance halls from June 1st.

    Then Mr Söder underscored the surprise announcement with a photo opportunity: hanging a brass cross in the hallway of his state chancellery in Munich. But the politician’s public embrace of the cross, as a “symbol of Bavaria’s cultural and historical imprint”, has sparked a backlash.

    Political rivals, media critics and even usually sympathetic outlets in Catholic, conservative Bavaria have united in criticising Mr Söder’s move as a cynical manoeuvre before October’s state election.

    “Quite literally, nothing is sacred to Markus Söder,” said Christian Lindner, leader of the liberal Free Democrats (FDP) in Berlin. Green Party co-leader Katrin Göring Eckardt, a Lutheran theologian, accused him of hijacking the cross “for a cheap election stunt” in public.

    The Bavarian leader knows, too, his policy is likely to spark a legal challenge at the constitutional court. In the past it has banned crucifixes from public buildings, and schools in Bavaria, citing the constitutional provisions that the state show religious neutrality.

    But any hearing, let alone a verdict, will come long after Bavaria’s election in October. “Until then he can present himself as St Sebastian,” joked Die Zeit in a hotly-discussed article on its website.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    did a 5 year old hack his account :pac:


    https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/990553785415200773

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    silverharp wrote: »
    did a 5 year old hack his account :pac:


    https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/990553785415200773

    He's had too many draws on the aul peace pipe I'd say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Not so much a "hazard" though, as the guy has obviously weighed up the pros and cons quite carefully, and decided its a good political move.
    But its absolute majority is in danger, according to polls, with the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) threatening to eat into its support in October as it did at last September’s federal election.
    Mr Söder has made a calculated gamble, confident his policy will appeal to frustrated CSU conservative voters outside Bavaria’s big cities, particularly those on the front lines of the 2015-2016 refugee crisis.
    The inevitable legal challenge will provide him with even more publicity, and then it will allow him to play the martyr when he loses.

    If saner policies had been in place over the last few years, then this kind of thing would be looked on as barmy by the electorate. But one kind of insanity provokes an equal but opposite kind of insanity (these are the laws of the universe :) )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Hazards of belief or unbelief? I'd have to side with the Bishop on this one, their house their rules and all that

    http://www.thejournal.ie/halligan-confirmation-4024884-May2018/

    MINISTER OF STATE John Halligan has criticised what he described as a “petty” move from the Catholic Church after he was prevented from acting as his godson’s sponsor at a confirmation mass yesterday.

    The Waterford TD has claimed that the decision was made because of his views on abortion and his atheist stance.

    In a statement, Bishop Alphonsus Cullinan said that a sponsor must be a “confirmed and practising Catholic” and that guidelines had been circulated to all parishes in the diocese in March this year.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    silverharp wrote: »
    Hazards of belief or unbelief? I'd have to side with the Bishop on this one, their house their rules and all that

    This would be in line with Ratzinger's idea that the church should shrink to a dedicated core and get rid of all the wishy washy half-believers.

    I am on board with the shrinking part.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    If he professes to be an atheist why should be complain at being excluded from a Christian ceremony?

    Also be going public he may have embarrassed the family involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    nuac wrote: »
    If he professes to be an atheist why should be complain at being excluded from a Christian ceremony?

    This is a christening we are talking about, a social gathering of the extended family. At most christenings, you can count the believers in the church on two hands - they are the ones who know all the stand up-sit down-shake it all about moves. Extra points for the ones who don't stumble over all the prayer words that have changed since they were in primary school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,574 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    nuac wrote: »
    If he professes to be an atheist why should be complain at being excluded from a Christian ceremony?

    Also be going public he may have embarrassed the family involved.
    He's not excluded from the ceremony; I'm pretty sure he'd be welcome to attend. He's excluded from taking on the role of sponsor, a role which, if he is sincere in his atheism, he would not be fitted to discharge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    He's excluded from taking on the role of sponsor, a role which, if he is sincere in his atheism, he would not be fitted to discharge.

    I am an atheist godparent myself (in my case to atheist parents who don't care), but I would have no issues educating a godchild about the Catholic faith. They might learn a few things they wouldn't hear from the parish priest, but that is perhaps as it should be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,574 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I am an atheist godparent myself (in my case to atheist parents who don't care), but I would have no issues educating a godchild about the Catholic faith. They might learn a few things they wouldn't hear from the parish priest, but that is perhaps as it should be.
    The role involves a bit more than simply telling someone about the faith. You're supposed to exemplify it, which presumably is not something many atheists would be willing or able to do.

    (That's why they have a rule that says that godparents should be active Catholics. It's not just a lets-be-mean-to-atheists thing.)


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