8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Cabaal · 20-05-2018 04:25PM

lookyhere wrote: »

I attended Mass in Knock this morning where Fidelma Healy-Eames took to the alter.............A small number of people left after she started speaking.

I'm glad to hear people walked out, i don't think that really would have happened in 1983 so I think it shows just how much this country has changed in relation to blind obedience for the catholic church

It goes to show that even those that a religious enough to travel to Knock are able to think for themselves.

Having read the details provided by Catholics for choice I do certainly think a practising catholic can still vote yes in this ref,

Just her · 20-05-2018 04:26PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

There is value, absolutely. But does that value trump the value of the woman?

And honestly, I'd let people set their own worth. The vast majority of women will continue with pregnancies, those that don't, won't.

Well to my mind it's not so much that the value of one life trump's anothers, so much as the best protection possible should be given to both.
The vast majority of foetuses/ babies aren't aborted to save a life, I know there are a few in Ireland but not the vast majority.

Nettle Soup · 20-05-2018 04:28PM

Cabaal wrote: »

lookyhere wrote: »

I attended Mass in Knock this morning where Fidelma Healy-Eames took to the alter.............A small number of people left after she started speaking.

I'm glad to hear people walked out, i don't think that really would have happened in 1983 so I think it shows just how much this country has changed in relation to blind obedience for the catholic church

It goes to show that even those that a religious enough to travel to Knock are able to think for themselves.

Having read the details provided by Catholics for choice I do certainly think a practising catholic can still vote yes in this ref,

People did walk out of masses in 1983. I remember it clearly and asked my parents about it. They were very brave.

Cabaal · 20-05-2018 04:28PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

Does anyone have any thoughts on how fast legislation will be passed?

Remember back in 2015 when the religious groups bank rolled two pawns to take high court cases against the ref outcome.....in comparison to that this will be a nightmare.

The pro life groups will throw everything they have at a yes outcome to this ref, they'll try delay, delay, delay with as many court cases as they can afford. That can be guaranteed.

Nettle Soup · 20-05-2018 04:30PM

Fidelma HE is the ultimate gombeen politician. I am surprised anyone listens to her.

Cabaal · 20-05-2018 04:30PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

People did walk out of masses in 1983. I remember it clearly and asked my parents about it. They were very brave.

Very brave, they did so with the knowledge that the priest could turn the whole town against them. if they ran a business it could be ruined.

erica74 · 20-05-2018 04:34PM

2 men and a woman were handing out antichoice nonsense leaflets outside of the church beside Penneys in Waterford today. They then thought it would be a good idea to give 2 toddlers (who they allowed to run around and stand beside moving cars, which were parked outside the church) leaflets to force into people's hands. If someone is not old enough to vote, they should not be involved.
Delighted to see so many people refuse to take a leaflet and many people handed back leaflets after scanning the front page and realising what they had been handed.

My husband and I were approached and asked if we wanted a leaflet, we said No. Then when we got further up the street, we heard them shouting "vote no to abortion on demand on May 25th":rolleyes:

spookwoman · 20-05-2018 04:37PM

erica74 wrote: »

2 men and a woman were handing out antichoice nonsense leaflets outside of the church beside Penneys in Waterford today. They then thought it would be a good idea to give 2 toddlers (who they allowed to run around and stand beside moving cars, which were parked outside the church) leaflets to force into people's hands. If someone is not old enough to vote, they should not be involved.
Delighted to see so many people refuse to take a leaflet and many people handed back leaflets after scanning the front page and realising what they had been handed.

My husband and I were approached and asked if we wanted a leaflet, we said No. Then when we got further up the street, we heard them shouting "vote no to abortion on demand on May 25th":rolleyes:

They use the kids as a shield so if pro lifers get aggressive they think no one will tell them to f*ck off

neonsofa · 20-05-2018 04:38PM

erica74 wrote: »

Delighted to see so many people refuse to take a leaflet and many people handed back leaflets after scanning the front page and realising what they had been handed.

In fairness I was out with my brother the other day and he refused a leaflet from the yes crowd and took great pride in telling them "no need I'm voting Yes". Same could be happening with no voters refusing leaflets. Not to burst your bubble!

January · 20-05-2018 04:39PM

If anybody is genuinely undecided but feels they cannot post their questions here, then please PM me. We can have a chat about your concerns, what the proposed legislation is and you can ask any questions you may have.

Sofiztikated · 20-05-2018 04:40PM

Just her wrote: »

Well to my mind it's not so much that the value of one life trump's anothers, so much as the best protection possible should be given to both.
The vast majority of foetuses/ babies aren't aborted to save a life, I know there are a few in Ireland but not the vast majority.

Well, if you are just defining save a life as "not dying" then yes.

But I'd say there's a whole lot more to it than that, and the person best placed to make that decision are the ones involved.

Cupcake_Crisis · 20-05-2018 04:47PM

erica74 wrote: »

2 men and a woman were handing out antichoice nonsense leaflets outside of the church beside Penneys in Waterford today. They then thought it would be a good idea to give 2 toddlers (who they allowed to run around and stand beside moving cars, which were parked outside the church) leaflets to force into people's hands. If someone is not old enough to vote, they should not be involved.
Delighted to see so many people refuse to take a leaflet and many people handed back leaflets after scanning the front page and realising what they had been handed.

My husband and I were approached and asked if we wanted a leaflet, we said No. Then when we got further up the street, we heard them shouting "vote no to abortion on demand on May 25th":rolleyes:

It does sadden me though that a 17 year old girl can’t vote in a referendum that is central to her life. Much more relevant to her life than to the 70 year old man calling her a murderers life.

antiskeptic · 20-05-2018 04:47PM

January wrote: »

If anybody is genuinely undecided but feels they cannot post their questions here, then please PM me. We can have a chat about your concerns, what the proposed legislation is and you can ask any questions you may have.

Same goes for me - if you assume for a moment that I have a large 'save the 8th' sticker under my username

antiskeptic · 20-05-2018 04:49PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

It does sadden me though that a 17 year old girl can’t vote in a referendum that is central to her life. Much more relevant to her life than to the 70 year old man calling her a murderers life.

The same can be said for the life in the womb. Currently considered to be of equal value to the 17 year old

Hooks Golf Handicap · 20-05-2018 04:50PM

I personally gave up debating about 3 weeks ago once I saw nothing but circular arguments and the no side not even acknowledging what the true question was.

After seeing both polls this morning I'm satisfied Yes is in the bag.
A victory for common sense over emotive lies.

freshpopcorn · 20-05-2018 04:56PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Ex-politician...

In fairness if one is attending a catholic church on the last Sunday before the vote, what would one expect to hear? In Knock of all places.

Couldn't agree with this more. To me it would be like attending a Together for Yes event and leave because they wanted a Yes vote!

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-05-2018 05:02PM

Declan Ganley getting desperate

Check out @declanganley’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/998186492169195525?s=09

Check out @declanganley’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/998185178668437504?s=09

Cupcake_Crisis · 20-05-2018 05:06PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

The same can be said for the life in the womb. Currently considered to be of equal value to the 17 year old

So if I get pregnant before Friday does that mean I get 2 votes?

erica74 · 20-05-2018 05:09PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Declan Ganley getting desperate

Check out @declanganley’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/998186492169195525?s=09

Check out @declanganley’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/998185178668437504?s=09

What a muppet. So if the Yes vote wins it'll be because all the holy joes were in Lourdes or Lanzarote:pac:

gctest50 · 20-05-2018 05:11PM

John McGuirk in Stubbs Gazette for €10k owed to Ballybay Credit Union
John McGuirk, public relations consultant and often contributor to many current affairs panels particularly on TV3 and Newstalk (and also most known as the communications director of Libertas during the Lisbon referenda and 2011 election candidate) has, according to yesterday's Sunday Times, appeared in Stubbs Gazette for a judgement that Ballybay Credit Union registered against him. John told the Sunday Times that he consented to the Judgement which arose from a €25k loan from the Credit Union to furnish a Dublin apartment.

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Sam Quentin · 20-05-2018 05:12PM

So a YES vote only 'improves' the NO vote but without the travel implications.
So it makes sense for everybody to vote YES... Unless you want to put some women through the logistics, stress and pain of making that journey!?

thee glitz · 20-05-2018 05:12PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't consider a foetus to be a baby so I have no problem with a woman having an abortion for non medical reasons. It's none of my business.

Ok, so please advise if you can stand over: If the proposed legislation is enacted, that will result in healthy women having healthy foetuses killed and I'm going to vote for that.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-05-2018 05:14PM

gctest50 wrote: »

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Such an honest and honourable man, that McGuirk.

antiskeptic · 20-05-2018 05:15PM

Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »

I personally gave up debating about 3 weeks ago once I saw nothing but circular arguments and the no side not even acknowledging what the true question was..

:rolleyes:

You mean the Yes focus on difficult cases during the RTE debate was the true question?

They might as well have had the words 'trojan horse' stapled to their foreheads

DarkScar · 20-05-2018 05:15PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't consider a foetus to be a baby so I have no problem with a woman having an abortion for non medical reasons. It's none of my business.

Just wondering on this then, if you drop abortion pills in a pregnant woman's tea you are guilty of... nothing at all apparently?

20-05-2018 05:16PM

thee glitz wrote: »

Ok, so please advise if you can stand over: If the proposed legislation is enacted, that will result in healthy women having healthy foetuses killed and I'm going to vote for that.

So please advise how you wish to keep a rape victim pregnant with the child of their rapist when they don't want to be isn't harming the woman in your opinion

gmisk · 20-05-2018 05:19PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Declan Ganley getting desperate

Check out @declanganley’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/998186492169195525?s=09

Check out @declanganley’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/998185178668437504?s=09

Ha lovely to see

Martina1991 · 20-05-2018 05:21PM

erica74 wrote: »

What a muppet. So if the Yes vote wins it'll be because all the holy joes were in Lourdes or Lanzarote:pac:

A friend of mine sent me a snap of a mass leaflet in Clare. They were putting on a special mass praying for a No vote.

January · 20-05-2018 05:21PM

DarkScar wrote: »

Just wondering on this then, if you drop abortion pills in a pregnant woman's tea you are guilty of... nothing at all apparently?

No, that's different because it wasn't the woman's choice.

gmisk · 20-05-2018 05:21PM

Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »

I personally gave up debating about 3 weeks ago once I saw nothing but circular arguments and the no side not even acknowledging what the true question was.

After seeing both polls this morning I'm satisfied Yes is in the bag.
A victory for common sense over emotive lies.

I was tempted to do same tbh.
There have been plenty of upsets recently in spite of polls....
Every vote is important in this one!
I think it will be close

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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