8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

spookwoman

I don't think some people realise just how much of an influence the church had over people's behavior. It was the Valley of the Squinting Windows when I was growing up and if you did not conform to their standards they made life hell.
I got very annoyed with that poster last night because it reminded me of growing up and the hypocrisy of these so called love both / everyone pro life people. My family did not conform to their standards, we were the opposite to everything they were. Because of the abuse my parents received, even as kids we were classed as outcasts by some, I don't take well to someone telling me how I am supposed to think and behave especially based on my gender.
As I said before I don't want kids, I'm not maternal. I'm not a people person, I don't know how to interact with crowds etc like many others but I can empathize and understand that people out there want an abortion for a reason. Some might think the reason is trivial but unless you walk in their shoes and be them you will never know how earth shattering and distressing it can be for the pregnant woman.
The no side talk of compassion and empathy but don't know what those words mean. They talk of putting plans in place to help women in crises pregnancies so they will continue with it and again these are just words. Abortion have been going on for 1000's for years and the no side have had plenty of time to put theses plans into action so why have they not done anything?

5uspect

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Fidelma HE is the ultimate gombeen politician. I am surprised anyone listens to her.

They’ll be getting aborted on Facebook.

erica74

Martina1991 wrote: »

A friend of mine sent me a snap of a mass leaflet in Clare. They were putting on a special mass praying for a No vote.

:pac:

DarkScar

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

It does sadden me though that a 17 year old girl can’t vote in a referendum that is central to her life.

So whatever age you are you should be allowed to vote on anything that affects you.
Not a great argument you have there really is it.

eeepaulo

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Regarding this I know a few of the Fianna Fáil have said they are voting know but will accept the public's dicession!

I imagine we will end up with a situation like MPs in brexit, some will change due to the vote, some will say the people elected me to represent them, some will say I'm representing my constituents.

Cabaal wrote: »

Remember back in 2015 when the religious groups bank rolled two pawns to take high court cases against the ref outcome.....in comparison to that this will be a nightmare.

The pro life groups will throw everything they have at a yes outcome to this ref, they'll try delay, delay, delay with as many court cases as they can afford. That can be guaranteed.

With us having a constitution I hope once they change it it will force them to adapt.

I don't really want to think about it, but Brexit, freedom of movement, EU healthcare, if in the future you have to travel further.

I don't know, i guess at the moment I just want a win.

Cupcake_Crisis

DarkScar wrote: »

Just wondering on this then, if you drop abortion pills in a pregnant woman's tea you are guilty of... nothing at all apparently?

You’re guilty of drugging a woman certainly

It wasnt me123

White_hills wrote: »

6 month olds? What kind of insanity have you read to think this.

:D:D:D

Cupcake_Crisis

DarkScar wrote: »

So whatever age you are you should be allowed to vote on anything that affects you.
Not a great argument you have there really is it.

It wasn’t an argument, it was an observation.

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

I don't think some people realise just how much of an influence the church had over people's behavior. It was the Valley of the Squinting Windows when I was growing up and if you did not conform to their standards they made life hell.
I got very annoyed with that poster last night because it reminded me of growing up and the hypocrisy of these so called love both / everyone pro life people. My family did not conform to their standards, we were the opposite to everything they were. Because of the abuse my parents received, even as kids we were classed as outcasts by some, I don't take well to someone telling me how I am supposed to think and behave especially based on my gender.
As I said before I don't want kids, I'm not maternal. I'm not a people person, I don't know how to interact with crowds etc like many others but I can empathize and understand that people out there want an abortion for a reason. Some might think the reason is trivial but unless you walk in their shoes and be them you will never know how earth shattering and distressing it can be for the pregnant woman.
The no side talk of compassion and empathy but don't know what those words mean. They talk of putting plans in place to help women in crises pregnancies so they will continue with it and again these are just words. Abortion have been going on for 1000's for years and the no side have had plenty of time to put theses plans into action so why have they not done anything?

Sort of reminds me of my area growing up.

My mun: But what will the neighbours think if she goes out with that top on.

My dad: F*ck the neighbours and what they think, if she likes the top she can wear it.

gmisk

eeepaulo wrote: »

I imagine we will end up with a situation like MPs in brexit, some will change due to the vote, some will say the people elected me to represent them, some will say I'm representing my constituents.



With us having a constitution I hope once they change it it will force them to adapt.

I don't really want to think about it, but Brexit, freedom of movement, EU healthcare, if in the future you have to travel further.

I don't know, i guess at the moment I just want a win.

I emailed my local TD's to see what way they are voting only one who wasn't a definite yes, was
Catherine Byrne she won't be getting my vote come election time I am afraid.

freshpopcorn

Martina1991 wrote: »

A friend of mine sent me a snap of a mass leaflet in Clare. They were putting on a special mass praying for a No vote.

I was talking to somebody who regularly attends mass.(Even during week day). They say a prayer of the faithful everyday for the unborn child.

eviltwin

thee glitz wrote: »

Ok, so please advise if you can stand over: If the proposed legislation is enacted, that will result in healthy women having healthy foetuses killed and I'm going to vote for that.

Well I'm voting yes so take from that what you will.

erica74

spookwoman wrote: »

As I said before I don't want kids.

I'm the same. I don't want children and I have never wanted children. However, I can sympathise and empathise with women who want children and women who don't want children and with women who find themselves in a position where they want or need an abortion.

thee glitz

DubInMeath wrote: »

So please advise how you wish to keep a rape victim pregnant with the child of their rapist when they don't want to be isn't harming the woman in your opinion

I'm fed up with this. A rare hard case situation so abortion free for all?

frag420

thee glitz wrote: »

Ok, so please advise if you can stand over: If the proposed legislation is enacted, that will result in healthy women having healthy foetuses killed and I'm going to vote for that.

Il stand over that...

Now tell me why a good friend of mine who is having treatment for breast cancer for the last few months has just been told that as she is now pregnant that they cannot keep treating her cancer in case it hurts the foetus!? Basically they must wait for it to more or less terminal before they will step in to help?

What would you suggest in this instance?

What would you tell her two kids and husband?

seamus

thee glitz wrote: »

Ok, so please advise if you can stand over: If the proposed legislation is enacted, that will result in healthy women having healthy foetuses killed and I'm going to vote for that.

Nobody is voting on the proposed legislation.

As the No side are only so eager to point out, the legislation can be changed five minutes after the referendum.

Nobody is voting on the legislation, nerely on whether they approve of the Dail being able to legislate.

thee glitz

thee glitz wrote: »

I'm fed up with this. A rare hard case situation so abortion free for all?

No I asked you a direct question, your just refusing to answer.

So please advise how you wish to keep a rape victim pregnant with the child of their rapist when they don't want to be isn't harming the woman in your opinion?

erica74

thee glitz wrote: »

I'm fed up with this. A rare hard case situation so abortion free for all?

Not that rare to be fair and no, not abortion free for all, choice free for all.

Do you think a young girl who has been raped and finds herself pregnant should be able to access abortion legally and safely here in Ireland?

Do you think that at least 2 women every week should be forced to travel to the UK to access abortion due to FFA? Without proper continuity of care? Travelling to the UK alongside people going on holiday, people travelling for business, sitting on a plane with their babies suffering inside of them? Scared, not sure where they're going?

Voting no ensures these "hard" cases continue to be dealt with in a horrible way, with the suffering of women and girls prolonged just so you can satisfy your own morals, to reassure yourself that the sluts of Ireland can't be off having an abortion every week.

L.Jenkins

thee glitz wrote: »

I'm fed up with this. A rare hard case situation so abortion free for all?

I can see it now. Abortion parties of a Sunday after a weekend of drink, drugs and debauchery. Is this what you think an Abortion free for all will be. Conceived on Sunday and aborted by Monday. No a chance will it be a free for all mate.

Cupcake_Crisis

thee glitz wrote: »

I'm fed up with this. A rare hard case situation so abortion free for all?

Not as rare as you’d like to believe. The no side seem very eager to dismiss the “hard cases” all the while refusing to acknowledge that no woman arrives at the decision to terminate a pregnancy easily.

spookwoman

DubInMeath wrote: »

Sort of reminds me of my area growing up.

My mun: But what will the neighbours think if she goes out with that top on.

My dad: F*ck the neighbours and what they think, if she likes the top she can wear it.

We had people try and block the sale of the house to my parents, deliberately putting no to divorce stuff through letterbox knowing the history. Brits get out of ireland stickers put on the car.
Tried to stop us getting a phone into the house , the factory got it into the house because my father needed to be on call for night shift.
The list goes on

spookwoman

gmisk wrote: »

I emailed my local TD's to see what way they are voting only one who wasn't a definite yes, was
Catherine Byrne she won't be getting my vote come election time I am afraid.

She was on of the TD'S that gave the go ahead for the church to lobby td's over abortion
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fg-tds-open-to-church-abortion-lobbying-205588.html

freshpopcorn

gmisk wrote: »

I emailed my local TD's to see what way they are voting only one who wasn't a definite yes, was
Catherine Byrne she won't be getting my vote come election time I am afraid.

I think she wants legislation at ten weeks or something!

Edward M

I think society in Ireland has gotten fed up of the circular ideals of how we should live our lives.
The hold of church and religious based organisations, though still strong, has essentially been broken.
Society as a whole is taking responsibility for its own actions at last, rightly or wrongly, but pious dictatorship is over thankfully.
I think most will vote on Friday from personal gut feeling rather than circular teaching or dictate.

gmisk

spookwoman wrote: »

She was on of the TD'S that gave the go ahead for the church to lobby td's over abortion
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fg-tds-open-to-church-abortion-lobbying-205588.html

Thanks for that info didn't know that

sightband

Edward M wrote: »

I think society in Ireland has gotten fed up of the circular ideals of how we should live our lives.
The hold of church and religious based organisations, though still strong, has essentially been broken.
Society as a whole is taking responsibility for its own actions at last, rightly or wrongly, but pious dictatorship is over thankfully.
I think most will vote on Friday from personal gut feeling rather than circular teaching or dictate.

you’ve got to be joking? we’re about as autonomous and democratic as china and north korea as far political parties and voting trends go.

gmisk

spookwoman wrote: »

She was on of the TD'S that gave the go ahead for the church to lobby td's over abortion
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fg-tds-open-to-church-abortion-lobbying-205588.html

This is response i got BTW.
Not really a direct answer.
_____________________________

On 21st March, I voted in Dáil Eireann in favour of the Referendum Bill which provides the legislative basis for a referendum to be held on 25th May. I believe the Irish people should be allowed to have their say on the proposal to repeal the 8th amendment.

If the referendum is passed, legislation will be brought forward by the Oireachtas to allow for access to terminations within the first trimester of pregnancy and in specific circumstances beyond that.

As regards to how I will vote on this future legislation, I have not yet decided

Noveight

Undecided still but leaning towards a Yes vote. Should be an interesting week on the social media sites to see what's fired around as it all comes to a close.

Annasopra

Aniya Moldy Trowel wrote: »

Savita's husband has asked that his late wife not be brought into debate about the amendment. Yes voters should respect that, but they don't.

Link please?

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

We had people try and block the sale of the house to my parents, deliberately putting no to divorce stuff through letterbox knowing the history. Brits get out of ireland stickers put on the car.
Tried to stop us getting a phone into the house , the factory got it into the house because my father needed to be on call for night shift.
The list goes on

Yeah some lovely people in our country.

My dads attitude comes from his upbringing, his dad fecked off which in 1950s Ireland was always the fault of the wife for a lot of people. He didn't see him again until he was about to marry my mam.

He was brought up by his mam, gran and aunt who fought all attempts to have him put into 'care' by the head nun of his primary school, going to the extent of sending him to relatives in Drogheda for a while until she left the school and some parents who wouldn't let their kids play with him (they did anyway).

Once he started working and met guys who were sent to Artane and what they went through he realised how lucky he was to have his mam and especially his gran who was a woman well ahead of her time, and not end up there or in a similar place.

He seen the hypocrisy of the church first hand and that of some people who claim to be catholic or 'Sunday Catholics' as he called them when being generous.

He'll be voting yes on the 25th as he has seen friends whose health have been affected by the 8th and he doesn't believe anyone has the right to tell someone else how they should handle their health.