8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Hotblack Desiato · 17-05-2018 11:05AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Renua... 2 county councillors out of 949. No Oireachtas members. Political irrelevance.

Not my fault if nobody will vote for them

Which... tells its own story really.

Im projecting Yes 65-35 on the Day.

Wildly optimistic I'm afraid.

Cantona's Collars · 17-05-2018 11:08AM

I don't know about the rest of Ireland but down Wexford way some of the NO posters say "join the rebellion" on them.
I didn't know 1798 or 1916 had any connection with a referendum on abortion.

Ave Sodalis · 17-05-2018 11:11AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

I don't know about the rest of Ireland but down Wexford way some of the NO posters say "join the rebellion" on them.
I didn't know 1798 or 1916 had any connection with a referendum on abortion.

Also how is sticking with the status quo a rebellion?

Sofiztikated · 17-05-2018 11:13AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

I don't know about the rest of Ireland but down Wexford way some of the NO posters say "join the rebellion" on them.
I didn't know 1798 or 1916 had any connection with a referendum on abortion.

While completely missing how a rebellion works.

People rebel against the status quo.

ELM327 · 17-05-2018 11:13AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

I don't know about the rest of Ireland but down Wexford way some of the NO posters say "join the rebellion" on them.
I didn't know 1798 or 1916 had any connection with a referendum on abortion.

The NO side is clinging at straws after their clusterf*ck on claire byrne live

NuMarvel · 17-05-2018 11:13AM

darem93 wrote: »

The Irish Times poll does have me a lot more worried. It's going to be a long week leading up to next Friday.

It is going to be extremely close (probably a lot closer than many of us expected) but I really hope Yes can edge the majority.

It'll definitely be tight. But that poll tells me that the outcome will be based on what the Yes campaign does, not the No campaign. We're in the driving seat, and no amount of No-side spin, prevarication, evasion, jeering, or hollering is going to change that.

If we want to win this, we need to focus on talking to the undecided, and shoring up the Yeses to get our supporters out. What the No side says or does needs to be secondary. Certainly be aware of it so that it can be addressed if it comes up on canvasses or in conversations, but don't waste time responding to it or arguing with No supporters.

This entire campaign has been one looooong marathon. The finish line is in sight, but we can't let ourselves get distracted. And believe me, there will be plenty of people trying to distract us.

DellyBelly · 17-05-2018 11:14AM

Still not sure what way I'll vote. I watched the debate on Claire Byrne on tv the other night and I have to say the lady from the IONA institute was very good on it and I was impressed with her.

antiskeptic · 17-05-2018 11:15AM

ELM327 wrote: »

The NO side is clinging at straws after their clusterf*ck on claire byrne live

Ave Sodalis · 17-05-2018 11:16AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Still not sure what way I'll vote. I watched the debate on Claire Byrne on tv the other night and I have to say the lady from the IONA institute was very good on it and I was impressed with her.

Is there any questions you have on the referendum that leaves you undecided?

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 17-05-2018 11:16AM

seamus wrote: »

Or just an indicator that when nobody is shackled into providing the illusion of "balance", one side is just incapable of presenting its own arguments in a civil and respectful way?

Can I, respectfully, point out that 'Yes' voters have shown themselves to be well capable of aggression, harangueing, insulting and downright nastiness on this and many other forums.

I'm not saying the 'No' debaters have been all sunshine and light, but this myth going around that the 'pro choicers' are carrying themselves with dignity and grace, while the 'pro lifers' are all ignorant morons with no manners or finesse, is beginning to wear thin.

ELM327 · 17-05-2018 11:17AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Still not sure what way I'll vote. I watched the debate on Claire Byrne on tv the other night and I have to say the lady from the IONA institute was very good on it and I was impressed with her.

-I'm undecided
-Listens to someone from the Iona institute

You're not undecided, are you! Anyone that gives those loons the light of day has already made up their mind. Come off it with the tomfoolery about "undecided".

antiskeptic · 17-05-2018 11:18AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Still not sure what way I'll vote. I watched the debate on Claire Byrne on tv the other night and I have to say the lady from the IONA institute was very good on it and I was impressed with her.

I for one, wouldn't want to be in the canteen of the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists when Boylan and Monaghan meet.

ELM327 · 17-05-2018 11:18AM

Aniya Moldy Trowel wrote: »

Can I, respectfully, point out that 'Yes' voters have shown themselves to be well capable of aggression, harangueing, insulting and downright nastiness on this and many other forums.

I'm not saying the 'No' debaters have been all sunshine and light, but this myth going around that the 'pro choicers' are carrying themselves with dignity and grace, while the 'pro lifers' are all ignorant morons with no manners or finesse, is beginning to wear thin.

When we force our beliefs on you since 1983 perhaps your claim will have some merit.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 17-05-2018 11:19AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

While completely missing how a rebellion works.

People rebel against the status quo.

People also rebel against governments and leaders. As the government is supporting a 'Yes' vote, it is quite accurate for those voting 'No' to describe themselves as rebelling against the government.

antiskeptic · 17-05-2018 11:19AM

ELM327 wrote: »

-I'm undecided
-Listens to someone from the Iona institute

You're not undecided, are you! Anyone that gives those loons the light of day has already made up their mind. Come off it with the tomfoolery about "undecided".

Thought about canvassing? You should!

Mint Sauce · 17-05-2018 11:20AM

NO sign appears over night on the side of Benbulben in Sligo.

Its bad enough that every lamp post is cluttered with posters, including graphic ones, but to litter/desecrate a side of a mountain! And to think they do not want us interferring with nature.

Hopefully who ever put it up, are as quick to remove every trace of it, and are done for electoral rules AND littering if not so

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 17-05-2018 11:20AM

ELM327 wrote: »

When we force our beliefs on you since 1983 perhaps your claim will have some merit.

That is not the point I was addressing. I am talking about how this debate has been argued on both sides.
In fact, your post is a good demonstration of what I was saying.

Cantona's Collars · 17-05-2018 11:21AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

While completely missing how a rebellion works.

People rebel against the status quo.

What annoys me is their use of a counties heritage and history to push an agenda.
Gardai moved them off the bridge in Enniscorthy after complaints about the graphic images on placards.

antiskeptic · 17-05-2018 11:22AM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Also how is sticking with the status quo a rebellion?

Read my sig - unless of course you suppose that wilting figleaf about "contraception and supports" Harris tacked onto the end of his proposals has substance

:rolleyes:

Sofiztikated · 17-05-2018 11:22AM

antiskeptic wrote: »

I for one, wouldn't want to be in the canteen of the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists when Boylan and Monaghan meet.

I just had a hilarious image of a school time scrap in the canteen, circle of the lads, shouting "Fight, fight, fight" while someone keeps sketch for teachers.

I reckon Boylan could take Monaghan.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 17-05-2018 11:24AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

What annoys me is their use of a counties heritage and history to push an agenda.
Gardai moved them off the bridge in Enniscorthy after complaints about the graphic images on placards.

Likewise the Project Arts Centre had to be ordered to remove a Repeal the 8th mural from their wall - an example of the Yes side defacing a publicly financed cultural space. It's happening on both sides.

meeeeh · 17-05-2018 11:25AM

I think both sides can be as bad as each other hurlung insultd. But I am certain the no side developed a tactic for media debates where they try to talk over the yes side when they are making a point. Ridiculous laws that demand both sides get equal hearing and I think their answers are timed. If you can't make a coherent point when you were interrupted and spoken over it's a point for the other side. This was evident on the C. Byrne show and also next day on prime time when Claire Daly wasn't allowed to talk without interruptions. It seemed to me they managed to limit that to the minimum on The Hard Shoulder yesterday and suddenly Maria Steen was a lot less effective.

kylith · 17-05-2018 11:25AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Still not sure what way I'll vote. I watched the debate on Claire Byrne on tv the other night and I have to say the lady from the IONA institute was very good on it and I was impressed with her.

In what way do you think she was good? Do you have any questions about Repeal that you would like to ask?

antiskeptic · 17-05-2018 11:26AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Certainly be aware of it so that it can be addressed if it comes up on canvasses or in conversations, but don't waste time responding to it or arguing with No supporters.

*Ping*

Time to get the wife to facebook all no-er's to adopt a distinct "don't know" attitude when Yes canvassers call to the door. Then talk the hind legs off them

Attrition, attrition, attrition.

antiskeptic · 17-05-2018 11:28AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I reckon Boylan could take Monaghan.

I agree. There's an inner bovver boy in there alright.

Sofiztikated · 17-05-2018 11:28AM

antiskeptic wrote: »

*Ping*

Time to get the wife to facebook all no-er's to adopt a distinct "don't know" attitude when Yes canvassers call to the door. Then talk the hind legs off them

Attrition, attrition, attrition.

Yeah, we know that tactic. Its really not subtle.

antiskeptic · 17-05-2018 11:29AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Yeah, we know that tactic. Its really not subtle.

Really! Its already been thought of. This sure is getting bad.

Pugzilla · 17-05-2018 11:29AM

I don't care about the result either way, but it would be hilarious if the No side won. The Yes side are very smug and overconfident. Reminds me of the Hilary Clinton supporters prior to the 2016 US election.

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Sofiztikated · 17-05-2018 11:32AM

Pugzilla wrote: »

I don't care about the result either way, but it would be hilarious if the No side won. The Yes side are very smug and overconfident. Reminds me of the Hilary Clinton supporters prior to the 2016 US election.

I know this is the reaction you want to illicit, but

I'm glad you think my wife's health care is hilarious.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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