8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Zubeneschamali · 15-05-2018 09:28AM

Ally Dick wrote: »

And I fear our nation will move on to euthanasia next

I thought gender neutral toilets were next? Damn, I must have missed a memo.

lawred2 · 15-05-2018 09:30AM

Ally Dick wrote: »

Yes. Winning is everything. There's so many lives at stake. And I fear our nation will move on to euthanasia next

I presume with such concern for lives at stake that you never have a moment's peace caring for the nation's children...

You know - once they've given up residence in the uterus.

Sofiztikated · 15-05-2018 09:32AM

wexie wrote: »

The lives of pregnant women right?

indeed we will

And then maybe as a nation we can try to start being a little bit more civilized and sympathetic towards suffering humans

Suffering is good for the soul, apparently.

wexie · 15-05-2018 09:33AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Suffering is good for the soul, apparently.

Hmmmyeah....I don't really subscribe to that.

I mean I wouldn't stop anyone from suffering if that's what they want of course.
I just don't think that the eejits that think this way should be allowed inflict it on the rest of us....for no good reason whatsoever

joe40 · 15-05-2018 09:35AM

When the lady on the show last night from the probation service talked about the 14 year penalty for anyone taking abortion pills, it was dismissed by Claire Byrne as a bit irrelevant since no one has ever been prosecuted.

Is that the best argument. It is illegal, carries a massive jail term, but that doesn't really matter since we won't actually prosecute.

Why not Prosecute? Is it because you realise it is not a crime, which then begs the question why is it illegal.
Just a ridiculous Irish solution.
This referendum is not about preventing abortion it is simply about hiding it away from view, regardless of the women involved.
Does that remind you of anything?

NuMarvel · 15-05-2018 09:36AM

Ally Dick wrote: »

Yes. Winning is everything. There's so many lives at stake. And I fear our nation will move on to euthanasia next

There's nothing stopping politicians legislating for euthanasia tomorrow. It wouldn't have to go to a referendum, because there's nothing in our constitution to prevent it.

reubenreuben · 15-05-2018 09:37AM

Watched the claire byrne show last night.

All the heckling and laughing at the doctor peter boyle just shows that the no side are pure evil and dont care about the mother or foetus.

It showed the no campaigners to be pure fundamentalists. Black or white. Nothing inbetween.

wexie · 15-05-2018 09:38AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

There's nothing stopping politicians legislating for euthanasia tomorrow. It wouldn't have to go to a referendum, because there's nothing in our constitution to prevent it.

Why would anyone in their right mind...

Oh...never mind

NuMarvel · 15-05-2018 09:39AM

joe40 wrote: »

When the lady on the show last night from the probation service talked about the 14 year penalty for anyone taking abortion pills, it was dismissed by Claire Byrne as a bit irrelevant since no one has ever been prosecuted.

Is that the best argument. It is illegal, carries a massive jail term, but that doesn't really matter since we won't actually prosecute.

Why not Prosecute? Is it because you realise it is not a crime, which then begs the question why is it illegal.
Just a ridiculous Irish solution.
This referendum is not about preventing abortion it is simply about hiding it away from view, regardless of the women involved.
Does that remind you of anything?

Reminds me of the state's position on homosexuality, because that was the logic they used when the laws were challenged in court during the 80s.

They said because it had been decades since anyone was prosecuted under those laws, it was doing no one any harm by keeping the laws on the books.

The European Court of Human Rights didn't quite see it that way though, and I don't think anyone today would argue we should have kept those laws in place.

ArmaniJeanss · 15-05-2018 09:46AM

Just the one Yes poster left up in Corduff this morning, and a fresh batch of shiny No posters with some new message about British abortion figures.

Pretty much the same situation down the N3, The No posters suddenly outnumber the Yes's by about 4 to 1.

I'm guessing the money which was intended for the Google campaign is now going into the poster campaign.

January · 15-05-2018 09:49AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Just the one Yes poster left up in Corduff this morning, and a fresh batch of shiny No posters with some new message about British abortion figures.

Pretty much the same situation down the N3, The No posters suddenly outnumber the Yes's by about 4 to 1.

I'm guessing the money which was intended for the Google campaign is now going into the poster campaign.

Get out and canvas with us! We're in corduff again on Friday night.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-05-2018 09:50AM

reubenreuben wrote: »

Watched the claire byrne show last night.

All the heckling and laughing at the doctor peter boyle just shows that the no side are pure evil and dont care about the mother or foetus.

It showed the no campaigners to be pure fundamentalists. Black or white. Nothing inbetween.

I would say a lot of the dont knows are heading no after watching that last night

Nettle Soup · 15-05-2018 09:51AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would say a lot of the dont knows are heading no after watching that last night

I really doubt it. I think don't knowers will actually do their homework and think things through before coming to the logical conclusion. Give them some credit - last night was just drama.

I have to say I was very impressed with Mary Lou.

Dyr · 15-05-2018 09:51AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Just the one Yes poster left up in Corduff this morning, and a fresh batch of shiny No posters with some new message about British abortion figures.

Pretty much the same situation down the N3, The No posters suddenly outnumber the Yes's by about 4 to 1.

I'm guessing the money which was intended for the Google campaign is now going into the poster campaign.

Well we could have done something about religious nutters from abroad pumping money into influencing affairs here but we didn't

ArmaniJeanss · 15-05-2018 09:54AM

For what it's worth I think the Yes campaign needs to row back against the UK abortion figures by showing that the figures in Spain, Italy, Portugal are far far less and that we have more in common with these countries than with the sink estates of Stoke and Middlesboro.

Also some posters which emphasise that 'The Eighth kills YOUR daughters, YOUR Sisters, YOUR Wife etc, Repeal it Now' might be effective.

I'm no advertising expert so maybe I've got it totally wrong.

But am beginning to despair so just throwing it out there if anyone is in a position to suggest it to the campaigners.

MarkY91 · 15-05-2018 09:57AM

Grayson wrote: »

Here's another one

There's loads of stuff here.
https://irishelectionliterature.com/page/1/

Edit: It looks like that might actually be a new poster.

I seen these at a bus stop in kimmage last week. I couldn't believe my eyes.

robarmstrong · 15-05-2018 09:58AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

For what it's worth I think the Yes campaign needs to row back against the UK abortion figures by showing that the figures in Spain, Italy, Portugal are far far less and that we have more in common with these countries than with the sink estates of Stoke and Middlesboro.

Also some posters which emphasise that 'The Eighth kills YOUR daughters, YOUR Sisters, YOUR Wife etc, Repeal it Now' might be effective.

I'm no advertising expert so maybe I've got it totally wrong.

But am beginning to despair so just throwing it out there if anyone is in a position to suggest it to the campaigners.

It's gas, they have no bother shipping our women over to the UK for abortions, but have a problem with the number of abortions in the UK. Where's the sense in that?

Nettle Soup · 15-05-2018 10:01AM

MarkY91 wrote: »

I seen these at a bus stop in kimmage last week. I couldn't believe my eyes.

Wow, there are some seriously sick and twisted people out there. The sooner this referendum is over, the better.

joe40 · 15-05-2018 10:06AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

For what it's worth I think the Yes campaign needs to row back against the UK abortion figures by showing that the figures in Spain, Italy, Portugal are far far less and that we have more in common with these countries than with the sink estates of Stoke and Middlesboro.

Also some posters which emphasise that 'The Eighth kills YOUR daughters, YOUR Sisters, YOUR Wife etc, Repeal it Now' might be effective.

I'm no advertising expert so maybe I've got it totally wrong.

But am beginning to despair so just throwing it out there if anyone is in a position to suggest it to the campaigners.

Another comparison which has never been made is with Northern Ireland.
This may sound strange but culturally we are similar. I know the hardcore DUP are very fundamental when it come to their religion, but they do not account for all protestants never mind all the people of the North.
There is no constitutional impediment to changing their laws but they don't.
I'm not saying we should copy them, just a way to counter the idea we will automatically be like the mainland UK/Britain in the event of a repeal of the 8th.

Sofiztikated · 15-05-2018 10:10AM

https://twitter.com/PWDTogether4Yes/status/996152778627211264?s=19

Love Both. Sure.

15-05-2018 10:10AM

joe40 wrote: »

When the lady on the show last night from the probation service talked about the 14 year penalty for anyone taking abortion pills, it was dismissed by Claire Byrne as a bit irrelevant since no one has ever been prosecuted.

Is that the best argument. It is illegal, carries a massive jail term, but that doesn't really matter since we won't actually prosecute.

Why not Prosecute? Is it because you realise it is not a crime, which then begs the question why is it illegal.
Just a ridiculous Irish solution.
This referendum is not about preventing abortion it is simply about hiding it away from view, regardless of the women involved.
Does that remind you of anything?

we don't prosecute because there hasn't been a complaint ( afaik ) to Gardai about it.
all it takes is for one person, who doesn't like the fact that their friend, daughter, sister, girlfriend etc has procured herself abortion pills on the internet.
Once that happens, Gardai will have to investigate. We saw it in Belfast not so long ago

cherryghost · 15-05-2018 10:15AM

Yes its up in bus shelters

Sofiztikated · 15-05-2018 10:19AM

cherryghost wrote: »

Yes its up in bus shelters

A fiver for the originals, apparently.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 15-05-2018 10:20AM

kenmc wrote: »

The problem with arguing with an idiot is that they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Certainly would be in no rush to swerve to avoid her. Condescending smug b1tch. World would be a better place if her mother had had access to contraceptives and/or abortion.

Are we supposed to take anything you say seriously after that? I wish there was a 'disgusted' emoticon.

reubenreuben · 15-05-2018 10:21AM

cherryghost wrote: »

Yes its up in bus shelters

I thought I would never see such a thing in ireland.

Tbh I am shocked that this poster can be out there in year 2018.

The believers are completely backward!

Hotblack Desiato · 15-05-2018 10:22AM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Theres another Referendum programmeon RTE on Thursday evening. Would you Believe an Irish problem at 22.15pm A documentary they are saying. Hopefully it will give the honest position that the 8th leaves people in.

Given that it's from the religious programmes unit, how likely is that? After all it's their job to peddle lies...

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 15-05-2018 10:22AM

eviltwin wrote: »

I agree. I dont care what a Catholic like Maria Steen or a politician like Marie Lou think, it's real people who are going to be affected by this and I want to hear their views.

This thread is very educational. If you have any questions this is not a bad place to ask and get some diverse experiences on both sides.

Catholics are real people.

reubenreuben · 15-05-2018 10:24AM

bubblypop wrote: »

we don't prosecute because there hasn't been a complaint ( afaik ) to Gardai about it.
all it takes is for one person, who doesn't like the fact that their friend, daughter, sister, girlfriend etc has procured herself abortion pills on the internet.
Once that happens, Gardai will have to investigate. We saw it in Belfast not so long ago

That's pure bull, its not hard to find someone to prosecute. Just look in the papers.
If they did prosecute they can choose out of 3000 a year.

Gardai wont touch it, there would be riots on the streets

reubenreuben · 15-05-2018 10:25AM

Aniya Moldy Trowel wrote: »

Catholics are real people.

What's it got to do with religion anyway?

Moiratat · 15-05-2018 10:26AM

I would like to canvas for together for yes but I'd only be able to help out mostly Wednesdays and Sundays , I'm in the Blanchardstown area, I'm not sure how to go about it but I need to do my part.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Comments