8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

splinter65

SusieBlue wrote: »

I wish I hadn’t watched it. So frustrating. Just lies and mistruths all over.
Absolutely shameful, biased debate.

What lies did Maria Steen tell?

AnneFrank

Mrsmum wrote: »

Wow she must have really played a blinder to elicit a response like that.

She was amazing, every time I have watched her on a debate she has won hands down, no matter who the opposition was

antiskeptic

Mrsmum wrote: »

Wow she must have really played a blinder to elicit a response like that.

Steen? Yeah - best of the bunch by a long long way. Exactly the background for such a thing: legal, slow and steady delivery. Mary Lou was hampered by being a politician. Usual politician tricks won't work here when the electorate are heavily engaged.

circular flexing

Noveight wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MuintirNa/status/996048518174466058


This really is utter drivel. Am I wrong, or does it suggest that saving the 8th will preserve our autonomy..?

That's actually a popular theory in conspiracy circles (not just limited to Ireland).

Larbre34

Noveight wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MuintirNa/status/996048518174466058


This really is utter drivel. Am I wrong, or does it suggest that saving the 8th will preserve our autonomy..?

Dude, its twitter.

Noveight

Larbre34 wrote: »

Dude, its twitter.

An exceptional example of what it's capable of!

antiskeptic

splinter65 wrote: »

What lies did Maria Steen tell?

That there would be abortion on demand up to 12 weeks, judging by Mary Lou's evading.

Noveight

circular flexing wrote: »

That's actually a popular theory in conspiracy circles (not just limited to Ireland).

Huh, can't say I'd heard of that one. Must go Googling.

kenmc

AnneFrank wrote: »

That's a disgraceful comment

Says you. Everything out of her mouth, no everything about her, is disgraceful. She's a disgrace to the human race, particularly to women. Condescension personified, whilst trying to maintain that she "cares". Only one person on the planet she cares about. Evil cvnt.vile.

There should have been no audience for that "debate". Audience made up of hard liners on both sides clapping and cheers and the usual lines trotted out.

spookwoman

Noveight wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MuintirNa/status/996048518174466058


This really is utter drivel. Am I wrong, or does it suggest that saving the 8th will preserve our autonomy..?

Some people need to be sectioned

RabbleRouser2k

Larbre34 wrote: »

Ah now. There was harumphs and scoffs but nobody laughed as if it were amusing.

Mattie McGrath did say she should be left in her grave, as badly put as ever, but her case is a massive shadow over No

I think there's a 'neutral' thing that happens now when you hear her name now-it's been brow beaten over people. Like, the 'abortion lead to her death' is so overused-as it was a number of factors that lead to her death, including improper notes, among other things.

Cruel as it is to say-she's become a political piece. And when people claimed her for politics, that makes folks numb.
Happened here, happens in America-Trayvon Martin's name doesn't raise the same ire as it did not so long ago.
You could probably even factor in an element of racism to it to, as in 'She wasn't Irish' in some people's eyes.

It's ugly-but these campaigns tend to be.

Larbre34

Noveight wrote: »

An exceptional example of what it's capable of!

Free will to recognise it for the swill that it is still exists. Anyone with half a mind will do that, and anyone failing to deserves their fate.

bruschi

splinter65 wrote: »

What lies did Maria Steen tell?

that under the new legislation, doctors can abort babies right up to term instead of delivering them. She took termination of pregnancy being abortion. When it is clearly not that and is a total scaremongering tactic of distorting words. Of course a child will be delivered and not aborted, but oh no, saintly Maria will make sure to shock people into voting no in a clearly manipulating fashion.

AnneFrank

kenmc wrote: »

Says you. Everything out of her mouth, no everything about her, is disgraceful. She's a disgrace to the human race, particularly to women. Condescension personified, whilst trying to maintain that she "cares". Only one person on the planet she cares about. Evil cvnt.vile.

And you seem like a lovely human yourself

PressRun

Yeah, the Steen one was manipulating the facts completely.

Noveight

Larbre34 wrote: »

Free will to recognise it for the swill that it is still exists. Anyone with half a mind will do that, and anyone failing to deserves their fate.

But of course. Merely interesting to see that such drivel is met with any grade of attention higher than amusement by some. Hard to believe that people of a certain mindset will buy in to that.*

*Indeed considering the cesspit that Twitter has become, I should no longer be surprised by such Tweets :P

Ally Dick

ricero wrote: »

After tonight im starting to think No will win

But King Herod Varadkar won't allow that

meeeeh

Maria Steen is excellent at pretending that she cares. No campaign have a few of her clones. All immaculately dressed, good looking, well presented Stepford wives, not one genuine emotion on show among them. It's well played role and completely fake. Unfortunately she is good at it.

_Dara_

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Yeah. I think the No audience members will be feeling very smug when they were leaving the studio tonight, but to the average voter their whooping and hollering, disrespect and bullying tactics are a big turn off.

I really hope so.

Hillary won all three televised debate in the US election and look how that turned out. Though I don’t think that the no side will get complacent like she did.

SusieBlue

splinter65 wrote: »

What lies did Maria Steen tell?

Where to start? How about that babies can aborted up till birth. That seems like a good starting point.

Dressing gown

antiskeptic wrote: »

It's not that folk are ignoring the hard cases. It's just that whichever way you spin it, that's the thin end of a very thick wedge.

And if anyone has a shred of an idea that life in the womb has some kind of intrinsic value that thick wedge will have trouble ramming itself through on the back of difficult cases.




All the bits in place, just needs to grow - was the view of the obstetrician on the No side.




Ever seen a small tree grown into a big tree?

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The obstetrician on the no side was lying. All the bits are not in place. Boylan tried to explain even after birth an enormous amount of development is still taking place. My PhD from Cambridge University is in neuroscience. The brain is not fully formed formed at 12 weeks that obstetrician was not being honest. Look it up. It was a barefaced lie. I’ve held my own dead foetus in my hand too. It was not enjoying life. It was dead.

kenmc

AnneFrank wrote: »

And you seem like a lovely human yourself

Thanks very much, I try my best. Which is why I'm voting yes to let women decide for themselves what's best for themselves. And because it's none of my fvckin business what someone else decides is best for them and their circumstances.

Fairly simple really when you think about it.

Sofiztikated

Ally Dick wrote: »

But King Herod Varadkar won't allow that

That's the second or third reference to the bible, the other being Pontius Pilate Harris, you've made.

Is John McGuirk your Simon of Cyrene?

SusieBlue

If babies were fully formed at 12 weeks why does pregnancy last 40 weeks?
The bits and pieces might be there but they are not fully formed or fully mature. They aren’t functioning.

My brother was born at 36 weeks which wouldn’t even be considered that premature but he was still on steroids and in an incubator because his lungs weren’t mature enough and he couldn’t breathe on his own.
That was only 4 weeks early.

joe40

Did Katie Hannon get her analysis. She seemed to suggest the constitution would be amended after the legislation goes to the president. Surely the constitution is amended by the referendum, and the new wording is put in.
Any legislation will not be part of the constitution.
I listened back a few times and she has me confused. Am I missing something

Larbre34

Bringing my postal vote to get witnessed tomorrow. Big ole X for Yes.

Hiya Splinter65

Still waiting for your reply to

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106976907&postcount=5293

Will be offline until the weekend but will address it then.

A.Partridge

SusieBlue wrote: »

If babies were fully formed at 12 weeks why does pregnancy last 40 weeks?
The bits and pieces might be there but they are not fully formed or fully mature. They aren’t functioning.

My brother was born at 36 weeks which wouldn’t even be considered that premature but he was still on steroids and in an incubator because his lungs weren’t mature enough and he couldn’t breathe on his own.
That was only 4 weeks early.

Absolutely spot-on. I was waiting for someone to ask the ever so smug Dr Monaghan how many 12 week old 'babies' have ever survived outside of the womb. None. Because they are not developed enough to support life. I thought his disrespect to Peter Boylan's credentials as one of Ireland's leading obstetricians was an absolute disgrace.

borderlinemeath

I can't keep up with this thread, I'm still 35 pages behind!! I spent the afternoon responding to rabid No voters on facebook. Apparently there's something amiss with me if I advocate murder and tearing a child from their mothers womb:rolleyes:

I'm going looking for an obstreperous t-shirt tomorrow, I'm sure I'll find somewhere to print one. The nuns in school used to always describe me as obsterperous - and they were right:)

I'm also laughing at the posts that somebody was trying to defend a No vote by implying that an unwanted pregnancy would clash with the womans skiing holiday. I actually found out I was pregnant on my last skiing holiday - I had to go and buy the most rudimentary pregnancy test so my scant knowledge of German would understand the result. Turns out it was either Schwanger, or Nicht Schwanger. Well I was well and truly schwangered! No ruination of the holiday and I skied better after I found out.