Glorified Begging.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 08-05-2018 08:34PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

Let me tell you a story - a true story.

About three weeks ago, a mother brought her nine-year-old little girl to the GP for what she thought was a minor complaint. The GP sent them straight to hospital because he deemed her symptoms serious enough to warrant a thorough investigation. Not long after the tests, the girl was diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and given only nine months to live.

Naturally, the focus shifted very quickly to making the little girl's last nine months as special as possible, so a friend of the mother, a lady I know, started a Go Fund Me account with the hope of raising €10,000. Within days, the fund was over €30,000. They could have done everything they wanted - holidays, presents, Disney Land - for that €10,000, but now they can do three times as much.

Every single day counts after such a devastating prognosis, but now there are greater financial resources available for the parents to make every single day that bit more special, and alleviate some pressure on the parents, one of whom has given up work.

I'm sure there are a lot silly examples of "glorified begging", but for every banal cause there is a very, very worthy one and that alone justifies the whole idea. It doesn't really matter if the undeserving capitalise on it if the deserving cases benefit from it too in my view.

The point is not if the cause is laudable or not, it's if seeking funds this way is tantamount to begging and the fact remains that, by very definition, it is.

super_furry · 08-05-2018 08:35PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

fund their licentious lifestyles

Found the time-travelling priest from the 1950s.

whisky_galore · 09-05-2018 09:02AM

'Begpacking' is a thing, Westerners actually begging at the side of the street in Bangkok and such places to fund their lifestyle.

https://quartzy.qz.com/1192690/begpackers-the-trend-of-westerners-traveling-without-money/

I wouldn't have a problem with say, busking where the people giving money were on a par with or wealthier than me, but this is taking the p1ss.

TomSweeney · 09-05-2018 09:04AM

Ipso wrote: »

Are church collections begging?

Yes ... and they CLEAN up on peoples naivety ..

Lollipops23 · 09-05-2018 09:24AM

I've raised over 600 quid in the last week as I'm doing a skydive for MS (which I also have).

It's money that will go towards research and hopefully a cure for this illness, so I guess I'm a selfish cow.....

cantdecide · 09-05-2018 09:26AM

I remember working in a large, minimum wage contact centre [modern day white collar work-house] and at least once a week you had some the usual team of busy-bodies rattling a box under your nose which was very distasteful to minimum wage earners, a lot of whom were genuinely struggling. There was a 'charity club'.

The Irish can hold their collective head up as a charitable people but this was basically chugging, IMO.

splinter65 · 09-05-2018 11:31AM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Suppose they are.

Are they not subs (subscriptions) like in any other club?
If church collections are begging then so are your local GAA club subs.

splinter65 · 09-05-2018 11:37AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Yes ... and they CLEAN up on peoples naivety ..

Can you enlarge on this as I’m not getting it?
If you attend a GAA club anywhere in the country or you bring your kids along to one then you have to pay subs, cos, stuff doesn’t grow on trees, bills have to be paid etc
Why is it any different for church goers?
The church has to be heated and cleaned and maintained. Who do you think should pay for it other then the people who use the church?

Zebra3 · 09-05-2018 10:32PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Glorified begging. Ie people online scrounging. From Patreon to ko fi to Kickstarter to gofundme idonate etc etc etc it seems people scabbing for a "cause" online are twelve a penny.
Some might have virtue in their reasons for doing so Ie an illness etc (sad they have to do such!) but many others are sexy skanky women looking to get guys to fund their licentious lifestyles (one Dubljn girl cleaning up on insta as all she takes about are blowjobs and guys donating left right and centre on Patreon!) or someone wanting a trip or someone funding a pipe dream off naive people's backs this kinda jazz.

I admire people in a way who clean up off these sites. Take the money and run. Take it if you get it.

But it strikes me. Isn't it basically begging no matter how its dressed up?.
The irony society is conditioned to judge those on the street begging yet look gooey eyed at these ahem "entreprenurial types".

They might as well be rattling a cup on the ha Penny bridge!.

You should look at the sugar daddy sites.

Glorified prostitution.

RDM_83 again · 09-05-2018 10:48PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I've raised over 600 quid in the last week as I'm doing a skydive for MS (which I also have).

It's money that will go towards research and hopefully a cure for this illness, so I guess I'm a selfish cow.....

Why do the skydive though? Why not just try raise the money for MS without the added big cost of the sky diving itself like presumably thats what about 33% of the money gone immediately.

That said I don't know how people respond to chuggers these days, I used to help with it as a young lad for a local group but I know myself I tend to blank charity people these days as so many tend to be commission based rather than volunteers.

riclad · 09-05-2018 10:58PM

Patreon is a site where you pay to support artists, singers etc
begging is asking for money for nothing.
On patreon or kickstarter you get a product or a book, piece of art ,music etc
See youtube and twitch ,many people male money from subs and donations and ad revenue .
Those people would not be able to make new videos if people stopped donating or paying a subscription.
They would have to get a job in an office or shop.
If you spend money on patreon or kickstarter you get something back.With the internet everything is on line,
including people asking for money,in the 90,s there would be people standing on a corner asking for a donation to a charity.
IF someone wants to ask for money on gofund me its up to you to ignore it or judge is it a good cause.
i think everyone you see on a street is getting paid ,ie chuggers ,
eg i doubt if volunteers would stand on the street for hours asking for donations .

dr.fuzzenstein · 09-05-2018 11:06PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Hardly prostitution however it seems you are being used.

A relationship should be based on love and trust and enjoying the others company. Just seeing the other person you feel relief.

Not how much someone can scab and freeload all day and get feck all in return.

Ah, you're a skinflint and a tightwad.
Ladies, form an orderly queue.

Your Face · 09-05-2018 11:16PM

Anyone else think its humid tonight?

VinLieger · 09-05-2018 11:25PM

Pretty much all of these provide a service or product mucj like any other business so i really dont understand what the problem is?

Ubbquittious · 10-05-2018 01:25PM

I was very tempted to ""pre-order"" one of these - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/youyota-sailfish-os-2-in-1-tablet#/comments

Damn glad I didn't now, my money would have been down the swanny. I wonder what % of these fail

_Dara_ · 10-05-2018 02:28PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Why do the skydive though? Why not just try raise the money for MS without the added big cost of the sky diving itself like presumably thats what about 33% of the money gone immediately.

Exactly. "Hey, sponsor me to do a really cool, once-in-a-lifetime thing!". I don't understand what the incentive is there for the donor. It has nothing to do with the charity you are raising money for.

Just like I mentioned earlier, those irritating folks in college who got people to pay for amazing holidays for them by doing some cursory charity work while there.

conorhal · 10-05-2018 03:05PM

inter arma wrote: »

I buy my girlfriend nice things and take her out for meals- isn't it basically prostitution no matter how she's dressed up?

No. Unless your girlfriend wouldn't blow you in a blue moon if you weren't spending lavishly on her, then yes, your girlfriend is a whore. :pac:

razorblunt · 10-05-2018 03:08PM

Patreon works in the sense you’re paying for content as a subscription. I signed up to a few sports ones as I’m happy to contribute.

There’s a special type of dope that does those charity events where they’re raising money for a glorified holiday, all they’re doing is paying for the cost of their trip.

Capt'n Midnight · 11-05-2018 10:02PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I've raised over 600 quid in the last week as I'm doing a skydive for MS (which I also have).

It's money that will go towards research and hopefully a cure for this illness, so I guess I'm a selfish cow.....

Parachuting for charity: is it worth the money? A 5-year audit of parachute injuries in Tayside and the cost to the NHS.

All parachute injuries from two local parachute centres over a 5-year period were analysed. Of 174 patients with injuries of varying severity, 94% were first-time charity-parachutists. The injury rate in charity-parachutists was 11% at an average cost of 3751 Pounds per casualty. Sixty-three percent of casualties who were charity-parachutists required hospital admission, representing a serious injury rate of 7%, at an average cost of 5781 Pounds per patient. The amount raised per person for charity was 30 Pounds. Each pound raised for charity cost the NHS 13.75 Pounds in return. Parachuting for charity costs more money than it raises, carries a high risk of serious personal injury and places a significant burden on health resources.

:pac:

bucketybuck · 11-05-2018 10:49PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I've raised over 600 quid in the last week as I'm doing a skydive for MS (which I also have).

It's money that will go towards research

Its also €600 that will go towards you getting to do a skydive. People dislike giving to charities who spend some of the money on salaries and bonuses for staff, yet you will be putting about 40% of the money raised towards something cool for yourself. If people thought Concern were keeping 40% of money raised they wouldn't be too impressed.

A dive with Skydive Ireland costs about 325 normally, 600 - 325 leaves 285 for charity, which means it would be far better to simply give the 325 straight to the charity and forget the skydive.

There are probably discounts involved bringing the price down somewhere but the principle remains, these skydives/absails/climb Macchu Picu for charity are not exactly the height of altruism.

byronbay2 · 11-05-2018 11:28PM

I remember, several years ago (10 maybe), there was an ad that ran on Today FM for a few weeks along the lines of "Would you like to walk with elephants in the foothills of the Himalayas while raising money for a worthy cause?" I can't remember the charity but I remember thinking that this "raising money for charity while doing things I want to do" had reached its zenith at that point!

Glorified Begging.

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