Glorified Begging.

Stonedpilot

Glorified begging. Ie people online scrounging. From Patreon to ko fi to Kickstarter to gofundme idonate etc etc etc it seems people scabbing for a "cause" online are twelve a penny.
Some might have virtue in their reasons for doing so Ie an illness etc (sad they have to do such!) but many others are sexy skanky women looking to get guys to fund their licentious lifestyles (one Dubljn girl cleaning up on insta as all she takes about are blowjobs and guys donating left right and centre on Patreon!) or someone wanting a trip or someone funding a pipe dream off naive people's backs this kinda jazz.

I admire people in a way who clean up off these sites. Take the money and run. Take it if you get it.

But it strikes me. Isn't it basically begging no matter how its dressed up?.
The irony society is conditioned to judge those on the street begging yet look gooey eyed at these ahem "entreprenurial types".

They might as well be rattling a cup on the ha Penny bridge!.

Graces7

myshirt

Have you a link to this girl on insta?

You may as well call a businessman a glorified begger then.

They manage to wrangle money out of people so fair play to them.

Stheno

are you stoned op?

Hector Bellend

Have a **** and a beg

Ipso

Are church collections begging?

Stonedpilot

myshirt wrote: »

Have you a link to this girl on insta?

I do. Hardly gonna post it on this though.

Im not condemning these people. Admire them for hoodwinking the gobshytes that "follow" them.

Load a naive people of meagre means paying others to live in luxury (usually decent looking woman).

Amazes me they dont see they are being used.
Really does.

Anyway likes of "Roz" and "Vogue" not much better. Whore anything for a few shillings.

Not like they need it.

Bunch of licentious scabbing feckers

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

No more, or no less, begging than anybody asking somebody else for money. The means has changed wit the times but the intent and the outcomes are the same. The methods available today just make it easier and more widespread.

Begging: imploring others to grant a favour, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation.


There's a ridiculous crowd funding initiative to buy a sofa for Elon Musk.

RobbingBandit

Beechwoodspark

Neva herd uv patreon em I missen out??

Stonedpilot

Ipso wrote: »

Are church collections begging?

Suppose they are.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Ipso wrote: »

Are church collections begging?

Of course they are. So are any fund raising efforts by charities. They'll mask it with selling items or having a fete, coffee morning, sale of work etc. but it's still begging.

The important point is that begging is not, by definition, a derogatory term.

_Dara_

Junior White Squeegee wrote: »

No more, or no less, begging than anybody asking somebody else for money. The means has changed wit the times but the intent and the outcomes are the same. The methods available today just make it easier and more widespread.

Begging: imploring others to grant a favour, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation.


There's a ridiculous crowd funding initiative to buy a sofa for Elon Musk.

Yeah, I’ve had people suggest to me that I should do crowd-funding to pay for a bucket list or my funeral but I just can’t do it, man.

I might consider it to gather money for an experimental medical treatment or to raise money for charity but that’s it. Plus, anyone giving you money deserves details and I’m not comfortable with putting my name to personal information.

It just feels so entitled or something to think that something frivolous that I want should be paid for by others.

Reminds of those people in college who would basically get people to fund a really cool holiday for them by doing a small amount of charity work whilst on said holiday.

Ubbquittious

Can I have €100,000 please? I have a great idea. Some little Wifi-enabled white box that connects to some cloud service and tweets on your behalf every time you use the jacks. It even tells your smartphone when a stranger uses the jacks, or something. We havn't fully decided yet, tomorrow we'll do some blue sky thinking on our beanbags and maybe head to Starbucks for a few hours after.


Anyway please give me the €100,000 so my partners in China can start whipping their underpaid serfs into action and you can have your white box by Q3 2018 Q4 2018*

*Subject to further, perpetual delays. In fact we might change our minds when we get the €100,000 and decide to make a completely different product, or none

inter arma

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Isn't it basically begging no matter how its dressed up?

I buy my girlfriend nice things and take her out for meals- isn't it basically prostitution no matter how she's dressed up?

jacksie66

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Stonedpilot

inter arma wrote: »

I buy my girlfriend nice things and take her out for meals- isn't it basically prostitution no matter how she's dressed up?

Hardly prostitution however it seems you are being used.

A relationship should be based on love and trust and enjoying the others company. Just seeing the other person you feel relief.

Not how much someone can scab and freeload all day and get feck all in return.

seachto7

I can understand how the likes of go fund me can be used well by bands recording an album. People pay x amount and they get a product.

There are others that I don’t get. Bloke I know of going on a trip out foreign doing some thing in a poor community for a few months. Raising money for accommodation and flights.
Fair play to them in one way doing it but why not just get a credit union loan like most other people would do? Fair play to them if they can get money off folk !

Stonedpilot

inter arma wrote: »

She let me cum on her face over the weekend- I'm not being used, mate.

I hope you had your 37 consent forms signed and eye witnessed.

Lets keep it civil. Wont somebody think of the Children?.

Irish Guitarist

I see loads of 'feminists' on Twitter with links to their Paypal account and an Amazon wish list. Who do they expect to give them money? The men they hate?

Irish Guitarist

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

wtf

myshirt

I'm a rich man born into a poor man's body! Please help!

Stonedpilot

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I see loads of 'feminists' on Twitter with links to their Paypal account and an Amazon wish list. Who do they expect to give them money? The men they hate?

Pornstars etc so this.

buy me this but me that.

I do amazed guys and lesbian women do frankly!.

seachto7

Check out the doco online about “rinsers”. Slappers.

Avatar MIA

Cishet... learned something new today. Why don't I feel smartier?

bucketybuck

My favourite was the group set up to raise money for the girl who got a kicking up North, oodles of money donated by the facebook mob for the poor defenceless little girl...

...who of course turned out to be just as big a scumbag as those that did the kicking and had her own assault charges in the works.

I'd feel bad for those who donated except I don't feel bad for morons who make decisions based on facebook headlines.

Irish Guitarist

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Pornstars etc so this.

buy me this but me that.

I do amazed guys and lesbian women do frankly!.

I'd expect it from porn stars but these are by women whose other tweets are about how terrible men are. I found them by doing a search for 'feminist paypal' and 'feminist wish list'

Just thought I'd see what would crop up if I did a search for 'cis paypal'

I know you're all thinking it, but I'll say it. By far the most infuriating aspect of all this begging stuff is people who assume "That begs the question" means "That poses the question". It doesn't, and it never has meant that.

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Hammer89

Let me tell you a story - a true story.

About three weeks ago, a mother brought her nine-year-old little girl to the GP for what she thought was a minor complaint. The GP sent them straight to hospital because he deemed her symptoms serious enough to warrant a thorough investigation. Not long after the tests, the girl was diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and given only nine months to live.

Naturally, the focus shifted very quickly to making the little girl's last nine months as special as possible, so a friend of the mother, a lady I know, started a Go Fund Me account with the hope of raising €10,000. Within days, the fund was over €30,000. They could have done everything they wanted - holidays, presents, Disney Land - for that €10,000, but now they can do three times as much.

Every single day counts after such a devastating prognosis, but now there are greater financial resources available for the parents to make every single day that bit more special, and alleviate some pressure on the parents, one of whom has given up work.

I'm sure there are a lot silly examples of "glorified begging", but for every banal cause there is a very, very worthy one and that alone justifies the whole idea. It doesn't really matter if the undeserving capitalise on it if the deserving cases benefit from it too in my view.

Hande hoche!

Thanks to it we have Super Troopers 2 to look forward to. Zach Braff on the other hand deserves a slap.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Hammer89 wrote: »

Let me tell you a story - a true story.

About three weeks ago, a mother brought her nine-year-old little girl to the GP for what she thought was a minor complaint. The GP sent them straight to hospital because he deemed her symptoms serious enough to warrant a thorough investigation. Not long after the tests, the girl was diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer and given only nine months to live.

Naturally, the focus shifted very quickly to making the little girl's last nine months as special as possible, so a friend of the mother, a lady I know, started a Go Fund Me account with the hope of raising €10,000. Within days, the fund was over €30,000. They could have done everything they wanted - holidays, presents, Disney Land - for that €10,000, but now they can do three times as much.

Every single day counts after such a devastating prognosis, but now there are greater financial resources available for the parents to make every single day that bit more special, and alleviate some pressure on the parents, one of whom has given up work.

I'm sure there are a lot silly examples of "glorified begging", but for every banal cause there is a very, very worthy one and that alone justifies the whole idea. It doesn't really matter if the undeserving capitalise on it if the deserving cases benefit from it too in my view.

The point is not if the cause is laudable or not, it's if seeking funds this way is tantamount to begging and the fact remains that, by very definition, it is.

super_furry

Stonedpilot wrote: »

fund their licentious lifestyles

Found the time-travelling priest from the 1950s.

whisky_galore

'Begpacking' is a thing, Westerners actually begging at the side of the street in Bangkok and such places to fund their lifestyle.

https://quartzy.qz.com/1192690/begpackers-the-trend-of-westerners-traveling-without-money/

I wouldn't have a problem with say, busking where the people giving money were on a par with or wealthier than me, but this is taking the p1ss.

TomSweeney

Ipso wrote: »

Are church collections begging?

Yes ... and they CLEAN up on peoples naivety ..

Lollipops23

I've raised over 600 quid in the last week as I'm doing a skydive for MS (which I also have).

It's money that will go towards research and hopefully a cure for this illness, so I guess I'm a selfish cow.....

cantdecide

I remember working in a large, minimum wage contact centre [modern day white collar work-house] and at least once a week you had some the usual team of busy-bodies rattling a box under your nose which was very distasteful to minimum wage earners, a lot of whom were genuinely struggling. There was a 'charity club'.

The Irish can hold their collective head up as a charitable people but this was basically chugging, IMO.

splinter65

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Suppose they are.

Are they not subs (subscriptions) like in any other club?
If church collections are begging then so are your local GAA club subs.

splinter65

TomSweeney wrote: »

Yes ... and they CLEAN up on peoples naivety ..

Can you enlarge on this as I’m not getting it?
If you attend a GAA club anywhere in the country or you bring your kids along to one then you have to pay subs, cos, stuff doesn’t grow on trees, bills have to be paid etc
Why is it any different for church goers?
The church has to be heated and cleaned and maintained. Who do you think should pay for it other then the people who use the church?

Zebra3

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Glorified begging. Ie people online scrounging. From Patreon to ko fi to Kickstarter to gofundme idonate etc etc etc it seems people scabbing for a "cause" online are twelve a penny.
Some might have virtue in their reasons for doing so Ie an illness etc (sad they have to do such!) but many others are sexy skanky women looking to get guys to fund their licentious lifestyles (one Dubljn girl cleaning up on insta as all she takes about are blowjobs and guys donating left right and centre on Patreon!) or someone wanting a trip or someone funding a pipe dream off naive people's backs this kinda jazz.

I admire people in a way who clean up off these sites. Take the money and run. Take it if you get it.

But it strikes me. Isn't it basically begging no matter how its dressed up?.
The irony society is conditioned to judge those on the street begging yet look gooey eyed at these ahem "entreprenurial types".

They might as well be rattling a cup on the ha Penny bridge!.

You should look at the sugar daddy sites.

Glorified prostitution.

RDM_83 again

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I've raised over 600 quid in the last week as I'm doing a skydive for MS (which I also have).

It's money that will go towards research and hopefully a cure for this illness, so I guess I'm a selfish cow.....

Why do the skydive though? Why not just try raise the money for MS without the added big cost of the sky diving itself like presumably thats what about 33% of the money gone immediately.

That said I don't know how people respond to chuggers these days, I used to help with it as a young lad for a local group but I know myself I tend to blank charity people these days as so many tend to be commission based rather than volunteers.

riclad

Patreon is a site where you pay to support artists, singers etc
begging is asking for money for nothing.
On patreon or kickstarter you get a product or a book, piece of art ,music etc
See youtube and twitch ,many people male money from subs and donations and ad revenue .
Those people would not be able to make new videos if people stopped donating or paying a subscription.
They would have to get a job in an office or shop.
If you spend money on patreon or kickstarter you get something back.With the internet everything is on line,
including people asking for money,in the 90,s there would be people standing on a corner asking for a donation to a charity.
IF someone wants to ask for money on gofund me its up to you to ignore it or judge is it a good cause.
i think everyone you see on a street is getting paid ,ie chuggers ,
eg i doubt if volunteers would stand on the street for hours asking for donations .

dr.fuzzenstein

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Hardly prostitution however it seems you are being used.

A relationship should be based on love and trust and enjoying the others company. Just seeing the other person you feel relief.

Not how much someone can scab and freeload all day and get feck all in return.

Ah, you're a skinflint and a tightwad.
Ladies, form an orderly queue.

Your Face

Anyone else think its humid tonight?

VinLieger

Pretty much all of these provide a service or product mucj like any other business so i really dont understand what the problem is?

Ubbquittious

I was very tempted to ""pre-order"" one of these - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/youyota-sailfish-os-2-in-1-tablet#/comments


Damn glad I didn't now, my money would have been down the swanny. I wonder what % of these fail

_Dara_

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Why do the skydive though? Why not just try raise the money for MS without the added big cost of the sky diving itself like presumably thats what about 33% of the money gone immediately.

Exactly. "Hey, sponsor me to do a really cool, once-in-a-lifetime thing!". I don't understand what the incentive is there for the donor. It has nothing to do with the charity you are raising money for.

Just like I mentioned earlier, those irritating folks in college who got people to pay for amazing holidays for them by doing some cursory charity work while there.

conorhal

inter arma wrote: »

I buy my girlfriend nice things and take her out for meals- isn't it basically prostitution no matter how she's dressed up?

No. Unless your girlfriend wouldn't blow you in a blue moon if you weren't spending lavishly on her, then yes, your girlfriend is a whore. :pac:

razorblunt

Patreon works in the sense you’re paying for content as a subscription. I signed up to a few sports ones as I’m happy to contribute.


There’s a special type of dope that does those charity events where they’re raising money for a glorified holiday, all they’re doing is paying for the cost of their trip.

Capt'n Midnight

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I've raised over 600 quid in the last week as I'm doing a skydive for MS (which I also have).

It's money that will go towards research and hopefully a cure for this illness, so I guess I'm a selfish cow.....

Parachuting for charity: is it worth the money? A 5-year audit of parachute injuries in Tayside and the cost to the NHS.

All parachute injuries from two local parachute centres over a 5-year period were analysed. Of 174 patients with injuries of varying severity, 94% were first-time charity-parachutists. The injury rate in charity-parachutists was 11% at an average cost of 3751 Pounds per casualty. Sixty-three percent of casualties who were charity-parachutists required hospital admission, representing a serious injury rate of 7%, at an average cost of 5781 Pounds per patient. The amount raised per person for charity was 30 Pounds. Each pound raised for charity cost the NHS 13.75 Pounds in return. Parachuting for charity costs more money than it raises, carries a high risk of serious personal injury and places a significant burden on health resources.

:pac:

bucketybuck

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I've raised over 600 quid in the last week as I'm doing a skydive for MS (which I also have).

It's money that will go towards research

Its also €600 that will go towards you getting to do a skydive. People dislike giving to charities who spend some of the money on salaries and bonuses for staff, yet you will be putting about 40% of the money raised towards something cool for yourself. If people thought Concern were keeping 40% of money raised they wouldn't be too impressed.

A dive with Skydive Ireland costs about 325 normally, 600 - 325 leaves 285 for charity, which means it would be far better to simply give the 325 straight to the charity and forget the skydive.

There are probably discounts involved bringing the price down somewhere but the principle remains, these skydives/absails/climb Macchu Picu for charity are not exactly the height of altruism.