Babies should be asked for consent before you change their nappies, says expert

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2018 12:25PM #1

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/im-going-change-your-nappy-12511101

Heard it all now :eek:

Fr_Dougal · 10-05-2018 12:26PM

#mepoo

10-05-2018 12:27PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

#mepoo

Pound me poo?

wexie · 10-05-2018 12:28PM

sooo.....no clean nappies until they can speak then?

or nod at least?

and aside from all that.....hands up if you've ever had a toddler who didn't want a clean nappie but was stinking to high heavens and /or dribbling **** down their leg

sentient_6 · 10-05-2018 12:28PM

Sometimes I feel like we're in a giant trolling experiment and don't know it.

Pelvis · 10-05-2018 12:30PM

What if I ask and the baby doesn't remember in the morning?

sbsquarepants · 10-05-2018 12:31PM

Well, I have a newborn and a 2 year old in nappies at the moment, and you better believe consent needs to be obtained from the two year old.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has never tried to clean shít off a 2 year old mid tantrum:D

whisky_galore · 10-05-2018 12:31PM

The Mirror. Soft, strong and absorbent.

Brian? · 10-05-2018 12:32PM

Sensationalist headline.

It’s PC gone mad responses.

No one actually stops to really read and understand what was said.

The holy trinity of After Hours openers.

The “expert” never said to wait for consent to be given, that’s just stupid. It’s just a method of role modelling correct behaviours very early. I don’t see what harm could be done.

10-05-2018 12:33PM

Brian? wrote: »

Sensationalist headline.

It’s PC gone mad responses.

No one actually stops to really read and understand what was said.

The holy trinity of After Hours openers.

The “expert” never said to wait for consent to be given, that’s just stupid. It’s just a method of role modelling correct behaviours very early. I don’t see what harm could be done.

She literally said to wait for an indication. And what on Earth is "consent in the home" anyways?

Auguste Comte · 10-05-2018 12:34PM

who describes herself on Twitter as a

That's all I need to read to know the story was a load of nappy filler..

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2018 12:36PM

Brian? wrote: »

Sensationalist headline.

It’s PC gone mad responses.

No one actually stops to really read and understand what was said.

The holy trinity of After Hours openers.

The “expert” never said to wait for consent to be given, that’s just stupid. It’s just a method of role modelling correct behaviours very early. I don’t see what harm could be done.

Oh don't be so rude and patronising. We can all 'read and understand' as well as you can. Of course no one thinks she's was advocating waiting for the baby to say "oh all right then. But be quick about it". But the whole gist of the article is daft.

10-05-2018 12:39PM

Currently dealing with the "terrible two's" and making a point of asking "will we change your nappy?" helps avoid a screaming match and dealing with a tantrum and a ****ty nappy is minus craic.

Obviously, there is no real negotiation. It's going to happen anyway but when the kids agree then it's a lot less stressful.

Brian? · 10-05-2018 12:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

She literally said to wait for an indication. And what on Earth is "consent in the home" anyways?

In fairness, this is exactly what she said

"Yes, just about how to set up a culture of consent in their homes so 'I'm going to change your nappy now, is that OK,' Deanne responded.

"Of course a baby is not going to respond 'yes mum that's awesome, I'd love to have my nappy changed'.

"But if you leave a space, and wait for body language and wait to make eye contact then you're letting that child know that their response matters."

It’s not about getting consent to change the nappy, it’s about the parent and child learning that the response matters. It makes perfect sense to me.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2018 12:42PM

circadian wrote: »

Currently dealing with the "terrible two's" and making a point of asking "will we change your nappy?" helps avoid a screaming match and dealing with a tantrum and a ****ty nappy is minus craic.

Obviously, there is no real negotiation. It's going to happen anyway but when the kids agree then it's a lot less stressful.

Yes, I'll often say 'maybe we should change your nappy first?', or 'how about we change your nappy now'?

But it's a rhetorical question, I'm not actually going to take their reply into account.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2018 12:44PM

Brian? wrote: »

In fairness, this is exactly what she said

It’s not about getting consent to change the nappy, it’s about the parent and child learning that the response matters. It makes perfect sense to me.

But their response doesn't matter. You're going to change their nappy anyway. So what exactly is this teaching babies/toddlers?

Brian? · 10-05-2018 12:45PM

Laurie Faithful Matting wrote: »

Oh don't be so rude and patronising. We can all 'read and understand' as well as you can. Of course no one thinks she's was advocating waiting for the baby to say "oh all right then. But be quick about it". But the whole gist of the article is daft.

You post a one liner, an emoji and a link. With zero evidence you’ve understand the gist of the article.

What makes it daft exactly?

Sonics2k · 10-05-2018 12:46PM

Who gives a toss what she said?

Why even respond to it? Nonsense like this shouldn't be acknowledged.

major bill · 10-05-2018 12:46PM

Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Threads like these need their own forum...sorry but I couldn't care about what some weird looking clown thinks we should or should not do and I could just ignore but nearly every fecking thread on After hours is related to some ''PC'' nonsense.

Please for the love of god stop!!!

Brian? · 10-05-2018 12:47PM

Laurie Faithful Matting wrote: »

But their response doesn't matter. You're going to change their nappy anyway. So what exactly is this teaching babies/toddlers?

It’s called role modelling positive behaviours. You ask and wait for an answer. If the child is old enough to talk, you explain why the nappy needs to be changed. If the child isn’t old enough to talk, they may be old enough to understand, so you explain.

10-05-2018 12:48PM

I'd certainly agree with the importance of eye contact, but the rest is hmmm, to be polite about it. Still, whatshername got her 15 seconds of fame.

I think a child would prefer to be distracted from their discomfort/pain during the nappy change rather than engage in a discussion on consent. I was reading a fantastic part of Walter Mischel's Marshmallow Test book the other day and he was talking about the importance of adults distracting children in pain/unhappiness: they actually learn to control their own responses from a much earlier age and avoid getting hysterical. The book exuded insight that went beyond the original, famous marshmallow tests of the 1960s.

Brian? · 10-05-2018 12:49PM

Laurie Faithful Matting wrote: »

Yes, I'll often say 'maybe we should change your nappy first?', or 'how about we change your nappy now'?

But it's a rhetorical question, I'm not actually going to take their reply into account.

With respect you should take their response into account. It doesn’t mean you don’t change the nappy, but you attempt to come to an agreement. It teaches the child the importance of consent and dialogue.

Otherwise you teach the child to do what you say at all times. That’s not going to last long.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2018 12:51PM

major bill wrote: »

Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Threads like these need their own forum...sorry but I couldn't care about what some weird looking clown thinks we should or should not do and I could just ignore but nearly every fecking thread on After hours is related to some ''PC'' nonsense.

Please for the love of god stop!!!

Yet, despite your boredom, you took the time to open the thread and comment.

10-05-2018 12:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd certainly agree with the importance of eye contact, but the rest is hmmm, to be polite about it. Still, whatshername got her 15 seconds of fame.

I think a child would prefer to be distracted from their discomfort/pain during the nappy change rather than engage in a discussion on consent. I was reading a fantastic part of Walter Mischel's Marshmallow Test book the other day and he was talking about the importance of adults distracting children in pain/unhappiness: they actually learn to control their own responses from a much earlier age and avoid getting hysterical. The book exuded insight that went beyond the original, famous marshmallow tests of the 1960s.

Discomfort or pain from a nappy change? Are you holding them upside down by one leg??

bluefinger · 10-05-2018 12:52PM

Ok car, im gonna give you some petrol now is that ok? I know you are unable to respond but what's important is that I asked you.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2018 12:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd certainly agree with the importance of eye contact, but the rest is hmmm, to be polite about it. Still, whatshername got her 15 seconds of fame.

I think a child would prefer to be distracted from their discomfort/pain during the nappy change rather than engage in a discussion on consent. I was reading a fantastic part of Walter Mischel's Marshmallow Test book the other day and he was talking about the importance of adults distracting children in pain/unhappiness: they actually learn to control their own responses from a much earlier age and avoid getting hysterical. The book exuded insight that went beyond the original, famous marshmallow tests of the 1960s.

Yes, I find turning on a musical mobile toy or something is more likely to distract the baby and keep them happy while you're changing them, than pretending you've sought their consent.

major bill · 10-05-2018 12:52PM

Laurie Faithful Matting wrote: »

Yet, despite your boredom, you took the time to open the thread and comment.

Did you read my post? I said I could ignore but After hours is increasingly been filled with these ****e threads.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2018 12:53PM

Brian? wrote: »

With respect you should take their response into account. It doesn’t mean you don’t change the nappy, but you attempt to come to an agreement. It teaches the child the importance of consent and dialogue.

Otherwise you teach the child to do what you say at all times. That’s not going to last long.

How do you come to an agreement with a baby? Genuine question, not being sarcastic.

wandatowell · 10-05-2018 12:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pound me poo?

I got the joke.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2018 12:54PM

major bill wrote: »

Did you read my post? I said I could ignore but After hours is increasingly been filled with these ****e threads.

Yes, but you don't have to open them. I would say the vast majority of threads on here are about things I'm not interested in. So guess what? I don't bother reading them. But I realise that other people want to discuss those topics, so I wouldn't barge in and start yaaaaawning and telling them all that they're soooo boooooring and to stop posting about things I don't want to talk about.

Petyr Baelish · 10-05-2018 12:55PM

Without reading the article I am sure that this is a result of the bureaucrats in Brussels foisting the GDPR on us. I suppose they'll want an opt-out policy too in the event that the baby changes its mind during the cleanup?

I can see why the Brits want out.

#Irexit

Babies should be asked for consent before you change their nappies, says expert

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