Sean O'Rourke Today Show

Auguste Comte · 10-05-2018 09:25AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Are RTE going to interview every person with a cancer diagnosis? It's getting ridiculous at this stage and people are being used as political footballs to be kicked about.

I'm of the opinion that people need to hear these people's story. It's not some paper exercise, these are real people who are dying. To hear that poor woman crying because she is afraid that her baby won't remember her was just heart breaking.

If these women's stories can bring pressure on politicians and public service bosses to do the right thing rather than the cheap thing into the future then maybe some tiny positive can be taken from the whole sorry mess.

anthonyjmaher · 10-05-2018 10:16AM

Such sensationalist nonsense from Diarmuid Ferriter. Honestly, who remembers anything of significance from the history they studied in school. The sky will not fall if kids stop studying history after junior cert. It's probably better that they are thought more relevant life skills for the present than being thought about what people did in the past.

Callan57 · 10-05-2018 01:37PM

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Such sensationalist nonsense from Diarmuid Ferriter. Honestly, who remembers anything of significance from the history they studied in school. The sky will not fall if kids stop studying history after junior cert. It's probably better that they are thought more relevant life skills for the present than being thought about what people did in the past.

Diarmuid clearly has a vesed interest but I loved history in school & college & it is still an abiding interst. It has given me hours of interesting & enjoyable reading & led me to loads of interesting places to visit. I find it fascinating to discern the developement of ideas and the evolution of political movements. It is what people did in the past that influences the present whether that is developing the Iphone or the upcoming referendum ... todays present is tomorrows history!

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. .... George Santayana

Squatter · 10-05-2018 01:41PM

Callan57 wrote: »

Diarmuid clearly has a vesed interest but I loved history in school & college & it is still an abiding interst. It has given me hours of interesting & enjoyable reading & led me to loads of interesting places to visit. I find it fascinating to discern the developement of ideas and the evolution of political movements. It is what people did in the past that influences the present whether that is developing the Iphone or the upcoming referendum ... todays present is tomorrows history!

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. .... George Santayana

While I agree with you about the value of the subject, I developed my interest in history as an adult. LC history in school was all about the bloody Brits, the famine and the causes of world war one.

BarryD2 · 10-05-2018 02:32PM

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that people need to hear these people's story. It's not some paper exercise, these are real people who are dying. To hear that poor woman crying because she is afraid that her baby won't remember her was just heart breaking.

Yes and they are individually tragic stories... but we've been hearing much the same for over two weeks now. And we've been hearing politicians of various hues picking up the stories and using them to drive their own political agendas. The media are all over it, it keeps listeners, drives clicks and paper sales. Between them and the grandstanding politicos, they must have every woman of a given age in the country worried by this stage when in all likelihood the vast majority have no problem.

Where do you stop with this? And what do people want? What would be a satisfactory outcome?

Auguste Comte · 10-05-2018 04:04PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yes and they are individually tragic stories... but we've been hearing much the same for over two weeks now. And we've been hearing politicians of various hues picking up the stories and using them to drive their own political agendas. The media are all over it, it keeps listeners, drives clicks and paper sales. Between them and the grandstanding politicos, they must have every woman of a given age in the country worried by this stage when in all likelihood the vast majority have no problem.

Where do you stop with this? And what do people want? What would be a satisfactory outcome?

I think the interview this morning with Emma Mhic Mhathúna was the most powerful radio piece I've ever heard. I would disagree with the "if you heard one victim you heard them all" theory.

This was public service broadcasting at its best, giving otherwise voiceless citizens a platform to communicate their issues to the people who have the authority and might be pressured into doing something to change things. While it is too late for this woman maybe it will be someone in your family or mine who is the next victim of state malpractices.

If interviews like this are what it takes to get the politicos actually doing something other than just paying lip service to the issue then that's a win for RTE and the public in general and going by the reaction to the interview in Leinster House today something changed in their attitude.

dxhound2005 · 10-05-2018 06:06PM

Callan57 wrote: »

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. .... George Santayana

That's why it took me so long to pass my history exams.

Brendan Bendar · 10-05-2018 09:28PM

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Such sensationalist nonsense from Diarmuid Ferriter. Honestly, who remembers anything of significance from the history they studied in school. The sky will not fall if kids stop studying history after junior cert. It's probably better that they are thought more relevant life skills for the present than being thought about what people did in the past.

Ferriter just ensuring his wedge in UCD .

elperello · 10-05-2018 09:33PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Ferriter just ensuring his wedge in UCD .

I think DF is a serious academic and a good communicator and at this stage in his career is hardly worrying about money.

BarryD2 · 11-05-2018 08:58AM

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I think the interview this morning with Emma Mhic Mhathúna was the most powerful radio piece I've ever heard. I would disagree with the "if you heard one victim you heard them all" theory.

This was public service broadcasting at its best, giving otherwise voiceless citizens a platform to communicate their issues to the people who have the authority and might be pressured into doing something to change things. While it is too late for this woman maybe it will be someone in your family or mine who is the next victim of state malpractices.

If interviews like this are what it takes to get the politicos actually doing something other than just paying lip service to the issue then that's a win for RTE and the public in general and going by the reaction to the interview in Leinster House today something changed in their attitude.

Yes, all understood. But you haven't said what's wanted from all this. What would be a good outcome of all this outcry?

Cancer is still going to happen.... screening tests will continue to be less than perfect as that is the nature of them ..... some citizens (a majority) will benefit from screening ... but some will be unlucky ... there will continue to be Vickys and Emmas. So what do you want the politicians to do? Life ain't guaranteed.

Callan57 · 11-05-2018 09:39AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yes, all understood. But you haven't said what's wanted from all this. What would be a good outcome of all this outcry?

Cancer is still going to happen.... screening tests will continue to be less than perfect as that is the nature of them ..... some citizens (a majority) will benefit from screening ... but some will be unlucky ... there will continue to be Vickys and Emmas. So what do you want the politicians to do? Life ain't guaranteed.

First and foremost stop lying & being "economical" with the truth ... tell the patient the full, unvarnished facts at the earliest opportunity & stop treating women like some kind of imbeciles!

The quid pro quo for a huge salary & massive pension has to be personal accountability and responsibility & that salary/pension have to be conditional on performance & delivery. Rediculous in this country that people can walk away into the sunset with massive payoff & pensions regardless of the lives destroyed & the mess they leave behind.

Get rid of this culture of being led by the nose by PR & legal gurus!

That would be a start .... :mad:

Auguste Comte · 11-05-2018 10:37AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yes, all understood. But you haven't said what's wanted from all this. What would be a good outcome of all this outcry?

Cancer is still going to happen.... screening tests will continue to be less than perfect as that is the nature of them ..... some citizens (a majority) will benefit from screening ... but some will be unlucky ... there will continue to be Vickys and Emmas. So what do you want the politicians to do? Life ain't guaranteed.

I don't think it's the job of radio shows to be deciding what the appropriate outcome is to issues, their job is to present the issues warts and all in an honest and unbiased way. If by doing that they show our politicians and public servants in an extremely bad light then maybe they can be a catalyst for change.

Imho the women affected by this are in a better position today than they were before yesterday's morning Ireland and SOR show.

At what stage do you think that RTE should have drawn a line under this and stopped reporting /presenting articles on the issue and why, considering the massive public interest in it?

BarryD2 · 11-05-2018 03:31PM

Callan57 wrote: »

First and foremost stop lying & being "economical" with the truth ... tell the patient the full, unvarnished facts at the earliest opportunity & stop treating women like some kind of imbeciles!

The quid pro quo for a huge salary & massive pension has to be personal accountability and responsibility & that salary/pension have to be conditional on performance & delivery. Rediculous in this country that people can walk away into the sunset with massive payoff & pensions regardless of the lives destroyed & the mess they leave behind.

Get rid of this culture of being led by the nose by PR & legal gurus!

That would be a start .... :mad:

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I don't think it's the job of radio shows to be deciding what the appropriate outcome is to issues, their job is to present the issues warts and all in an honest and unbiased way. If by doing that they show our politicians and public servants in an extremely bad light then maybe they can be a catalyst for change.

Imho the women affected by this are in a better position today than they were before yesterday's morning Ireland and SOR show.

At what stage do you think that RTE should have drawn a line under this and stopped reporting /presenting articles on the issue and why, considering the massive public interest in it?

You see, you can't really point a way forward. All people are doing are raging against the system. And the fact is, that life sometimes sucks. People get ill, some recover, some don't. Some get diagnosed, some don't.

When you boil all this down, it really comes down to two things 1) the public maybe misunderstood what a screening programme is and it's statistical effectiveness and 2) the HSE were slow, reluctant to advise women that they were the unlucky ones for whom the test was unreliable.

But that's about it and neither are major hanging offence in normal circumstances.

Radio5 · 11-05-2018 05:14PM

Not major hanging offences really ? Really ? So what would be in your book? Do give us the benefit of your wisdom...........

Auguste Comte · 11-05-2018 07:12PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

You see, you can't really point a way forward. All people are doing are raging against the system. And the fact is, that life sometimes sucks. People get ill, some recover, some don't. Some get diagnosed, some don't.

When you boil all this down, it really comes down to two things 1) the public maybe misunderstood what a screening programme is and it's statistical effectiveness and 2) the HSE were slow, reluctant to advise women that they were the unlucky ones for whom the test was unreliable.

But that's about it and neither are major hanging offence in normal circumstances.

That's all well and good and probably worthy of a post in the smear test scandal thread but how does it relate to the Sean O'Rourke show?

Squatter · 12-05-2018 11:14AM

Auguste Comte wrote: »

That's all well and good and probably worthy of a post in the smear test scandal thread but how does it relate to the Sean O'Rourke show?

Because the role of his program isn't to be be an extension of the Joe Duffy whine-in.

By all means let people call da loivline and emote until the cows come home - but I want hard news and analysis from O'Rourke.

God only knows what Finnucane is up to this morning - I gave her show a big miss; but I wager that it won't be pretty.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-05-2018 10:01AM

Let "Frank" live in one of the flat complexes for a month and see if he still feels the same afterwards

anthonyjmaher · 16-05-2018 10:45AM

Enormous sense of entitlement.

elperello · 16-05-2018 11:10AM

Both Mannix and Frank love the city.
Somewhere in between the wreckers ball and museum like living conditions for residents there is a solution.
I hope it can be found.

16-05-2018 11:44PM

Yeah it was an interesting interview. Its worthy of debate but we need to be realistic about what must be done with these old places.

Frank: "architectural gems"

Mannix: "sewage is coming up through the floorboards"

:pac:

BarryD2 · 18-05-2018 10:40AM

Good old ding dong on the abortion issue this morning and fair dues to Alison there for standing up to the bullying. But why is Nuala O'Loan, Baroness O'Loan no less - telling us how to vote????????? She doesn't even have a vote here as far as I know.

BarryD2 · 18-05-2018 10:43AM

S'OR going by the stopwatch at least and turning the mics off!

dulpit · 18-05-2018 11:21AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

S'OR going by the stopwatch at least and turning the mics off!

Is he? *sigh*

The broadcasters were told that fair and equal coverage does not mean every discussion/debate needs to be exactly balanced, so long as their coverage as a whole is.. Can get a bit annoying when they need to give one side or the other an extra 30 seconds to even things up...

BarryD2 · 18-05-2018 11:38AM

dulpit wrote: »

Is he? *sigh*

The broadcasters were told that fair and equal coverage does not mean every discussion/debate needs to be exactly balanced, so long as their coverage as a whole is.. Can get a bit annoying when they need to give one side or the other an extra 30 seconds to even things up...

True, but IMHO as a casual listener without a stopwatch, things were out of hand in recent weeks with noticeably more coverage to the No side.

Callan57 · 18-05-2018 02:08PM

Why does the NO side dismiss real women as "hard cases" ... disgusted with Nuala O'Loan doing it again this morning.
It is as if they don't matter and their lives and health disposable.

Get out and vote YES to show that we are a compassonate country & these women do matter to us.

hotmail.com · 18-05-2018 04:25PM

O'Loan brought in the Good Friday Agreement as a reason to vote No. This nonsense undermines her authority in the affairs of Northern Ireland.

Coillte_Bhoy · 18-05-2018 04:49PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

O'Loan brought in the Good Friday Agreement as a reason to vote No. This nonsense undermines her authority in the affairs of Northern Ireland.

On what basis?

alaimacerc · 20-05-2018 03:57PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

On what basis?

Didn't hear the item, but judging by the bit in the Examiner, she's taking the line "The Irish Government will also take steps to further strengthen the protection of human rights in its jurisdiction" from the GFA, and vamping with it desperately. I mean, it's not like bodily autonomy is a human right or anything... Handy alphabet soup directory.

BarryD2 · 21-05-2018 09:26AM

John Bruton putting his oar in this morning regarding the referendum - rambling, inconsistent, hypocritical. Frankly John's views are dated and utterly irrelevant to the current child bearing generations. He should realise that his time has passed and just stay schtum.

serfboard · 21-05-2018 10:45PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

John Bruton putting his oar in this morning regarding the referendum - rambling, inconsistent, hypocritical. Frankly John's views are dated and utterly irrelevant to the current child bearing generations. He should realise that his time has passed and just stay schtum.

In fairness though, RTÉ want to have a “No” voice who is able to speak on Radio and who is not one of the Iona crowd or Mullen/Simons etc.

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