Pavee point criticise judge for telling truth

Fiery mutant · 09-05-2018 08:06AM

end of the road wrote: »

if they want fair treatment they will get it, as they are entitled to it whether it be via society waking up, or more laws to try and force the issue. the nonsense, already has avenues open to deal with it, and therefore it's a separate issue to the settled community's obligation to treat travelers as they would other fellow settled community members.

Respect is a two way street. When the traveling community behaves in a way that deserves respect, then they may get it.

But do not try to imply that the settled community are the reasons for the travelers woes.

It’s not the settled communities fault that pubs close anytime groups of travelers arrive in town.
It’s not the settled communities fault that a large portion of the prison population is made up of an massive portion of the traveling community.
And it’s not the settled communities fault that travelers leave any place they touch covered in ****.

Your username is an apt description for the way most people might describe the idea of travelers blending into society without changing their ways.

corks finest · 09-05-2018 08:44AM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Respect is a two way street. When the traveling community behaves in a way that deserves respect, then they may get it.

But do not try to imply that the settled community are the reasons for the travelers woes.

It’s not the settled communities fault that pubs close anytime groups of travelers arrive in town.
It’s not the settled communities fault that a large portion of the prison population is made up of an massive portion of the traveling community.
And it’s not the settled communities fault that travelers leave any place they touch covered in ****.

Your username is an apt description for the way most people might describe the idea of travelers blending into society without changing their ways.

Amazing that the bloody gardai don't grow some balls, whole fcuking lot of them should have been arrested, blocking the highway,reckless driving, besides probably no tax etc,surely there were reinforcements within 20 minutes of this shambles

09-05-2018 09:21AM

Is sulky racing not a beautiful sport that many settled people engage in and one which helps travellers deal with mental health issues or so good old John Connors likes to say. This is the same man who cries about being typecast in the roles he gets but then continues to write roles where he plays a scumbag.

whisky_galore · 09-05-2018 09:32AM

Stephen15 wrote: »

There's a rarity. Fair enough to him I guess.

Personally I would like to see travellers integrate into regular settled society and abandon their backwards anti social lifestyle.

I see very little in present-day traveller culture that warrants its continued existence.

They should just better themselves, get a proper job, obey the laws of the land like the rest of us and integrate.

Milkman.. · 09-05-2018 10:06AM

corks finest wrote: »

Amazing that the bloody gardai don't grow some balls, whole fcuking lot of them should have been arrested, blocking the highway,reckless driving, besides probably no tax etc,surely there were reinforcements within 20 minutes of this shambles

They should there as it's a road safety issue,I don't think they do much in general apart from crowd control,it just clogs up the courts.

Afaik the gardai don't get much intelligence on their activities besides following them around in unmarked cars.

end of the road · 09-05-2018 02:02PM

erica74 wrote: »

80% unemployment and posters are saying that doesn't automatically mean they're engaging in criminal activity... Seriously?! This thread is great just for the comedic value.
I mean I know the taxpayer basically covers a lot of traveller expenses... but...

nothing wrong with the statement. there are criminals in the traveling community yes . 80% of them are unemployed according to stats. are 80% of them criminals? there is no evidence that i have saw to prove such a percentage of travelers are.
lets use another example. people on wellfare will be unemployed, are they all criminals? does them being on wellfare automatically mean that they are criminals? some no doubt are, but all of them? no of course not.

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Respect is a two way street. When the traveling community behaves in a way that deserves respect, then they may get it.

But do not try to imply that the settled community are the reasons for the travelers woes.

It’s not the settled communities fault that pubs close anytime groups of travelers arrive in town.
It’s not the settled communities fault that a large portion of the prison population is made up of an massive portion of the traveling community.
And it’s not the settled communities fault that travelers leave any place they touch covered in ****.

Your username is an apt description for the way most people might describe the idea of travelers blending into society without changing their ways.

the ones who are doing nothing wrong will get it before hand. either via society waking up or the law forcing it to happen, either way it will happen. those in the settled community who discriminate against travelers are fully at fault for discriminating. the travelers who commit criminal acts are responsible for commiting the acts, but those who are the victim of discrimination will not be responsible for it. those who do the discriminating are the ones to blame for discrimination and discriminating.

Graces7 · 09-05-2018 02:14PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

I see very little in present-day traveller culture that warrants its continued existence.

They should just better themselves, get a proper job, obey the laws of the land like the rest of us and integrate.

Integration is not homogeneity . Not cloning..

Graces7 · 09-05-2018 02:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

nothing wrong with the statement. there are criminals in the traveling community yes . 80% of them are unemployed according to stats. are 80% of them criminals? there is no evidence that i have saw to prove such a percentage of travelers are.
lets use another example. people on wellfare will be unemployed, are they all criminals? does them being on wellfare automatically mean that they are criminals? some no doubt are, but all of them? no of course not.

the ones who are doing nothing wrong will get it before hand. either via society waking up or the law forcing it to happen, either way it will happen. those in the settled community who discriminate against travelers are fully at fault for discriminating. the travelers who commit criminal acts are responsible for commiting the acts, but those who are the victim of discrimination will not be responsible for it. those who do the discriminating are the ones to blame for discrimination and discriminating.

Well expressed. Each is responsible for their actions, not the actions of others in family or culture

And yes, people behave as they are treated. If you scorn and discriiminate? You then bear the responsibility for the effect of that scorn for you incited that effect and that behaviour

09-05-2018 03:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

those in the settled community who discriminate against travelers are fully at fault for discriminating. the travelers who commit criminal acts are responsible for commiting the acts, but those who are the victim of discrimination will not be responsible for it. those who do the discriminating are the ones to blame for discrimination and discriminating.

You should learn one or two synonyms.

Also, saying settled society needs to wake up is just as discriminatory by definition. You can’t just tar everyone with the one brush now can ya? You’re discriminating and prejudging by doing that.

09-05-2018 03:21PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Well expressed. Each is responsible for their actions, not the actions of others in family or culture

I’m afraid eotr prefers to blame the police for not enforcing the law rather than the scumbag for breaking it.

upandcumming · 09-05-2018 03:21PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Well expressed.

Ah would you stop!

Skullface McGubbin · 09-05-2018 03:22PM

It's quite nice to see that the overton window has shifted (on this site, at least) on the Traveller issue. A few years back, posts like the vast majority of the ones in this thread would have been met with bans and wouldn't have as many thanks.
Back when Dr. Bollocko and Whoopsiedaisydoodles were mods, a thread like this would have been shut down & locked. Nice to see things have (slightly) changed just a little bit

PlaneSpeeking · 09-05-2018 03:33PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Integration is not homogeneity . Not cloning..

I'd be happy for them to at least pretend to be normal, well adjusted, contributing, law abiding members of society - say once a week to start, see how they get on.

Discodog · 09-05-2018 04:58PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I'd be happy for them to at least pretend to be normal, well adjusted, contributing, law abiding members of society - say once a week to start, see how they get on.

And for the decent law abiding ones not to shelter the criminals. Travelers calling the Guards to report criminal activity would be a start.

Discodog · 09-05-2018 05:01PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Well expressed. Each is responsible for their actions, not the actions of others in family or culture

And yes, people behave as they are treated. If you scorn and discriiminate? You then bear the responsibility for the effect of that scorn for you incited that effect and that behaviour

I agree but what do the good ones do about the bad? I am surprised at your attitude given the appalling record that travelers have with animal cruelty. When will the "good" travelers stop the continuous abuse of animals & stop hiding behind the "culture" excuse ?

Dr Brown · 09-05-2018 08:08PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Having an 80% unemployment would suggest that a large percentage of them break the law.

80% unemployment is probably a conservative figure.

Some of them are on FAS courses which means they not technically unemployed.

corner of hells · 09-05-2018 08:09PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

80% unemployment is probably a conservative figure.

Some of them are on FAS courses which means they not technically unemployed.

What percentage ?

deaddonkey15 · 09-05-2018 09:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

nothing wrong with the statement. there are criminals in the traveling community yes . 80% of them are unemployed according to stats. are 80% of them criminals? there is no evidence that i have saw to prove such a percentage of travelers are.
lets use another example. people on wellfare will be unemployed, are they all criminals? does them being on wellfare automatically mean that they are criminals? some no doubt are, but all of them? no of course not.

I doubt too many of them are driving round in brand new 4x4s.

Uncharted · 09-05-2018 09:30PM

There are significantly more of them driving new 4x4's than there are out legitimately working,and paying their taxes.

Damien360 · 09-05-2018 11:09PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Stephen15 wrote: »

Having an 80% unemployment would suggest that a large percentage of them break the law.

80% unemployment is probably a conservative figure.

Some of them are on FAS courses which means they not technically unemployed.

This drives me cracked. I live in Newbridge with a significant Traveler population, mainly 3 extended families. There are 2 classes of traveler. In Newbridge the genuinely poor ones live in Tankards Garden. I meet one of them regularly in a local gym (cheap council one). He doesn't know me and I wouldn't know him but we speak on meeting and you couldn't meet a nicer guy. He hasn't a bean. His family have lived on that site for many years and his father recently died on the same site having lived there for years. These people need support.
Then you have the others. Wealth beyond the vast majority of working people. The vast majority do work, and work hard on building sites all over the place, but they don't pay tax and will tell you that. It is like Ireland before the Ansbacker (spelling) drama for business. Officially, these guys don't work. Nobody officially will chase them for tax as it will cost more to chase than you will get back. The guards can see this just like everyone else but won't do anything. Every cent is spent on being one up on the neighbor. Huge amounts of land and rented accommodation all over Newbridge is owned by a few traveler families. Putting the money into your own home is smart because just like our bankers, no government is going to throw you out of your home no matter what its value.
The problem is both of these classes, poor and wealthy have the same supports despite the obvious differences. The traveler badge is bandied around too easily. Yes your dad and grandad had it very tough but many of you live very comfortably and don't travel unless you count Spain in the summer. There needs to be a separation of class. I am beginning to think I should declare myself as traveler as I can't see a difference except I pay tax.

punisher5112 · 09-05-2018 11:26PM

Damien360 wrote: »

This drives me cracked. I live in Newbridge with a significant Traveler population, mainly 3 extended families. There are 2 classes of traveler. In Newbridge the genuinely poor ones live in Tankards Garden. I meet one of them regularly in a local gym (cheap council one). He doesn't know me and I wouldn't know him but we speak on meeting and you couldn't meet a nicer guy. He hasn't a bean. His family have lived on that site for many years and his father recently died on the same site having lived there for years. These people need support.
Then you have the others. Wealth beyond the vast majority of working people. The vast majority do work, and work hard on building sites all over the place, but they don't pay tax and will tell you that. It is like Ireland before the Ansbacker (spelling) drama for business. Officially, these guys don't work. Nobody officially will chase them for tax as it will cost more to chase than you will get back. The guards can see this just like everyone else but won't do anything. Every cent is spent on being one up on the neighbor. Huge amounts of land and rented accommodation all over Newbridge is owned by a few traveler families. Putting the money into your own home is smart because just like our bankers, no government is going to throw you out of your home no matter what its value.
The problem is both of these classes, poor and wealthy have the same supports despite the obvious differences. The traveler badge is bandied around too easily. Yes your dad and grandad had it very tough but many of you live very comfortably and don't travel unless you count Spain in the summer. There needs to be a separation of class. I am beginning to think I should declare myself as traveler as I can't see a difference except I pay tax.

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liamo · 10-05-2018 07:06AM

Worked just fine for me. Well written. Good spelling, grammar and punctuation. Perhaps could have done with an additional linefeed between paragraphs but hardly "Impossible to read".

punisher5112 wrote: »

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whisky_galore · 10-05-2018 08:22AM

Discodog wrote: »

I agree but what do the good ones do about the bad? I am surprised at your attitude given the appalling record that travelers have with animal cruelty. When will the "good" travelers stop the continuous abuse of animals & stop hiding behind the "culture" excuse ?

This.

The 'good ones' won't call the cops because the cops are outsiders.

handlemaster · 10-05-2018 10:37AM

are there stats on how many travelers are in full time employment ? and how many are on social welfare ?

handlemaster · 10-05-2018 10:37AM

are there stats on how many travelers are in full time employment ? and how many are on social welfare ?

Dr Brown · 10-05-2018 04:35PM

handlemaster wrote: »

are there stats on how many travelers are in full time employment ? and how many are on social welfare ?

Most of them claim disability because they claim they can't read.

corner of hells · 10-05-2018 04:41PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Most of them claim disability because they claim they can't read.

Of all the crap , you've posted thats the beats everything hands down .

Inability to read will not get you a disability award.A G.P. must sign and say why he thinks you should get Disability and even then you can be still called for a review.

I'm a social care worker working with homeless travellers and guess what lots of 'em can read ,are working , have no convictions and couldn't even be classed as remotely violent.

Carry on with your biased , ignorant posts.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 10-05-2018 04:41PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

This.

The 'good ones' won't call the cops because the cops are outsiders.

Also they're not going to 'grass' on their own.

It could lead to severe repercussions for the family in question.

Shunning from the community, potential for violence, arson attacks etc.

BalcombeSt4 · 10-05-2018 04:57PM

Oh look another thread by a Fascist on boards.ie about how much he hates travelers.

Why not start a thread about something positive they've done.
Daina Moorehouse a 16 year old girl who lives around the corner from me won gold for boxing in for her country in the Euro's 2 weeks ago and is going to the Olympics in 2020. I know her father, uncle & her brother well & their all gentlemen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWJ7SmOVUO8

Dr Brown · 10-05-2018 05:41PM

corner of hells wrote: »

Of all the crap , you've posted thats the beats everything hands down .

Inability to read will not get you a disability award.A G.P. must sign and say why he thinks you should get Disability and even then you can be still called for a review.

I'm a social care worker working with homeless travellers and guess what lots of 'em can read ,are working , have no convictions and couldn't even be classed as remotely violent.

Carry on with your biased , ignorant posts.

Well any of the travellers I've met were on "disability".

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