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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #3962
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    I think I speak for both sides when I say those Iona freaks would absolutely sicken your hole.

    Not Maria Steen, the lady is a qualified barrister, architect and teacher, who schools her own children. I think she's a great role model for any girl.


  • #3963
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Walter... you expected the No side to have ‘Plan B?’

    :pac:


  • #3964
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Overheal wrote: »
    Basically it sounds like Alphabet just decided to disallow adverts on its platforms from any vectors to save them the trouble of having to find out that advertisers supposedly from Ireland are funded from outside sources. Seems fair and dispassionate to me.

    Because it helps your side whom have a poor online campaign.


  • #3965
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Because it helps your side whom have a poor online campaign.

    Do you have a source for that, or just more editorial bemoaning.

    At this point I’d like to extend an invitation to start a thread in Conspiracy Theories about how the internet Illuminati are trying to influence Ireland’s politics by staying out of Ireland’s politics.

    I mean for heck’s sake you sound like you’d be outraged if Russia decided to stay out of the US election in 2020: just helping the liberals so they are by not helping the neocons!


  • #3966
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Because it helps your side whom have a poor online campaign.

    I'd rather a poor online campaign than the lies, manipulation and absolute tripe that the No side call a campaign.


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  • #3967
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Because it helps your side whom have a poor online campaign.

    It's balancing out all that dodgy money coming from the US and attempting to interfere in our democratic process.


  • #3968
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I’m in a group for Irish women/mothers on fb with circa 27k members, and a member posted a letter she received today.
    It was handwritten with a return address and signed with a real name and addressed to her 2 year old son.
    It was a letter about how abortion is very wrong and how it needs to be saved and about how white males are the ones who are pushing the Repeal movement.
    The woman is from Carlow and the return address was Donegal, she has no idea who the sender is or where he got her contact details from.
    The letter also had #22 written in the top corner - almost as if it were numbered and 21 odd other letters were also sent out.
    Donegal Garda confirmed a real person person from the locality sent it, whoever he is he is extreme pro-life.
    The guards are investigating how he got her details but she’s rightly very shook.
    Really bizarre situation, bad enough getting hassle online but someone personally sending a letter is insane.
    It wasn't a certain well priest by any chance. He has been making a bit of noise recently.


  • #3969
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I do love seeing the no side simultaneously claiming:

    1. There is not outside financing of the no campaign.
    2. The decision from FB to block advertising from outside Ireland is biased against the no campaign.


  • #3970
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    I keep reading about the 'selfish' reasons that are behind abortions. So if all these women are being selfish by having abortions what kind of parent do you think they would make. When you become a parent you don't get to put yourself first most of the time. Your life becomes about what is best for your family. If you are struggling for money then when faced with a choice between your needs or your child's. Your child's needs come first. Every Single Time.
    At any point in the mind of a No voter do they consider what happens after the child is born?

    Some say can't vote yes because they don't agree with the reasons a woman might choose to have an abortion. They tell us the women are selfish and putting their careers and lifestyle over having children. You are judging these women and yet you think they should become mothers.


  • #3971
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Overheal wrote: »
    Basically it sounds like Alphabet just decided to disallow adverts on its platforms from any vectors to save them the trouble of having to find out that advertisers supposedly from Ireland are funded from outside sources. Seems fair and dispassionate to me.

    Because it helps your side whom have a poor online campaign.
    Why should any side have an online campaign, which is open to sound bites, unchallenged lies, and emotional blackmail.
    A serious issue should be discussed in the media, and unbiased information given by the referendum commision.
    An online campaign is just marketing where deepest pockets win.


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  • #3972
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Not Maria Steen, the lady is a qualified barrister, architect and teacher, who schools her own children. I think she's a great role model for any girl.
    Ted Bundy had a degree in psychology, volunteered at a suicide-prevention hotline, enrolled at the state’s crime-prevention task force..........


  • #3973
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The Yes side are happy with Google because the No side had a big campaign paid for on the Google platform, while the TogetherForYes side have a national littering campaign to every household with 1.6 million leaflets for landfill, fires and recycling.

    Really you might want to mention this to the love both crowd out around towns handing out leaflets since their campaign began.


  • #3974
    bootpaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭bootpaws


    mohawk wrote: »
    I keep reading about the 'selfish' reasons that are behind abortions. So if all these women are being selfish by having abortions what kind of parent do you think they would make. When you become a parent you don't get to put yourself first most of the time. Your life becomes about what is best for your family. If you are struggling for money then when faced with a choice between your needs or your child's. Your child's needs come first. Every Single Time.
    At any point in the mind of a No voter do they consider what happens after the child is born?

    Some say can't vote yes because they don't agree with the reasons a woman might choose to have an abortion. They tell us the women are selfish and putting their careers and lifestyle over having children. You are judging these women and yet you think they should become mothers.

    Because no matter what they say, in their heads and in their hearts they think:

    Women with careers making personal choices = Bad, Cold, Clinical, Strange.

    Women submitting to motherhood = Natural and Where They Belong.


  • #3975
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,382 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Really you might want to mention this to the love both crowd out around towns handing out leaflets since their campaign began.
    Not to mention the 20 plus page booklets they have been giving out as well


  • #3976
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    indy_man wrote: »
    Another thing, the problem is not that Ireland needs abortion, a bigger problem is that England needs to stop its extremely liberal abortion policy. Why do we have to follow their example blindly thinking that we need it also, what has it achieved for them? Eventually the UKs abortion policy will be a disaster for that nation, the amount of UK and Irish unborn children terminated will be worse than the great holocaust and eventually they will need to end it. You know that certain Imans in Europe and the UK have declared the fall of the native western population and the rise of their population a great miracle from Alla. Those guys have sharia law in mind for the UK and Europe, its already well underway in Belgium, Holland and other places. There won’t be much choice then. If we say NO now maybe we can be a light for our neighbours in the UK and help them see sense and stop their unrestricted abortion policy before its too late.

    you should post this in the conspiracy theories forum. i would post a link to it but i'm banned from there.


  • #3977
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Jim Corr is pushing a No vote and accuse6s Silicon Valley of "deleting the No campaign in ".

    probably one of the less crazy things that Jim believes.


  • #3978
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    That's it.

    She'd go off and get it dealt with and say nothing, forever carrying around a secret that she knows you'd hate her for.

    Or, if she was 12/13/14, chances are you'll find her curled up in a ball somewhere bleeding and close to death because she read something online that would work and tried it out in secret because she knew you wouldn't help.

    So loving they are, these pro-life people. All compassion.

    Yes it's an awful shame we had to shut down the mother and baby homes, they were run by such compassionete people who made sure no harm came to the poor fallen woman and their baby. Ireland was a much better place then.


  • #3979
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Yes for compassion, removing the right to life of the unborn is compassion...you talk about lies, they are are many posters for Yes.
    Killing the lives of healthy unborn lives by healthy mothers is healthcare, another lie up on posters.
    Evidence is the hard cases are a tiny percentage.

    Any evidence to backup your opinion?


  • #3980
    Rezident
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Do you really think that a zygote's right to grow, for example, trumps our disabled daughter's right not to have her rapist's baby?
    Yes, of course it does. A human life is always worth more than rights or wants.

    "right not to have her rapist's baby" = kill the baby? Please don't kill the baby. They are the only ones that are innocent among us all. Blame the rapist for the crime, not the innocent baby. Read the stories of those that were raped, and became pregnant, and amazingly decided to have the baby. This is so hard to understand but those women are some of the few in this whole abortion nightmare that actually found a silver lining amidst all this depressing negativity.

    Using the word 'zygote' feels like an attempt to dehumanise the baby to feel better about ending their life. No good can ever come from dehumanisation.

    Changing the words to less emotive terms like 'zygote' and 'terminate' and 'foetus' may make people feel better (it works) but it doesn't change a thing in the biology or physics of an abortion.

    Although it must look unlikely as you look around the world today that anyone has a soul anymore, human beings do have a soul (and a spirit). When you are 'terminating' a 'foetus' - do you really believe that babies don't get their soul until after they are born? The foetus may be small, she may be tiny, but she is a tiny human being and there is something special in that.


  • #3981
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You should be asking what is the state offering rather than death as an option for the unborn as a choice.
    I mean a study in the US found 40% of abortion are for economic reasons, so it is like a eugenics program for poor people, rather than providing better supports for poor people so a pregnancy isn't a financial burden, these unborn lives are the future of every nation on Earth.
    36% for timing reasons - maybe better legislation and supports if a woman is in university or a job so timing is less of a problem.
    31% because a partner pushed for an abortion - where is the compassion there for the living woman?

    All women are offered is a lack of supports which the Yes side are silent on and the only thing the Yes side are offering is the option to terminate the life of their unborn as a solution - dressed up as compassion and healthcare, while women who continue their pregnancy are not given enough supports which is what the state should be using the money they are spending on this referendum for.

    Any evidence such as a link to this study?


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  • #3982
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Not Maria Steen, the lady is a qualified barrister, architect and teacher, who schools her own children. I think she's a great role model for any girl.

    Yeah sure a person who actively discriminates against people on their sexuality and works for an organisation that defends a religions right to ignore child protection legislation would be a great role model.


  • #3983
    BabysCoffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    Rezident wrote: »
    Yes, of course it does. A human life is always worth more than rights or wants.

    "right not to have her rapist's baby" = kill the baby? Please don't kill the baby. They are the only ones that are innocent among us all. Blame the rapist for the crime, not the innocent baby. Read the stories of those that were raped, and became pregnant, and amazingly decided to have the baby. This is so hard to understand but those women are some of the few in this whole abortion nightmare that actually found a silver lining amidst all this depressing negativity.

    Using the word 'zygote' feels like an attempt to dehumanise the baby to feel better about ending their life. No good can ever come from dehumanisation.

    Changing the words to less emotive terms like 'zygote' and 'terminate' and 'foetus' may make people feel better (it works) but it doesn't change a thing in the biology or physics of an abortion.

    Although it must look unlikely as you look around the world today that anyone has a soul anymore, human beings do have a soul (and a spirit). When you are 'terminating' a 'foetus' - do you really believe that babies don't get their soul until after they are born? The foetus may be small, she may be tiny, but she is a tiny human being and there is something special in that.

    Do tell us more......


  • #3984
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you should post this in the conspiracy theories forum. i would post a link to it but i'm banned from there.

    Don't worry he knows where it is, his abortion is a Wicca plot one was moved there.


  • #3985
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    That was something I was going to ask in a different forum.
    For people coming at this from a religious angle, when do you believe a soul exists. Is it from the moment of conception, in which case all miscarriages no matter how early could have a funeral etc.


  • #3986
    JennyVin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭JennyVin


    Overheal wrote: »
    To kill something is to stop it from being alive. An unborn thing is not yet alive.

    What an utterly ridiculous thing to say. Explain why there is a crime of fetal homicide if an unborn thing is not yet alive.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feticide#Fetal_homicide


  • #3987
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,382 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Not Maria Steen, the lady is a qualified barrister, architect and teacher, who schools her own children. I think she's a great role model for any girl.
    Maria steen is not a registered barrister (or architect..... ) despite being very much a former barrister she put her name to that 100 lawyers/barristers list that supported saving the 8th.
    Almost half the people on that list BTW are not practising, barristers or lawyers, and a lot of the ones that are registered were in entirely unrelated areas.

    Also imo she came across like an emotionless and stilted alien on the late late show debate but hey.


  • #3988
    fxotoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    JennyVin wrote: »
    What an utterly ridiculous thing to say. Explain why there is a crime of fetal homicide if an unborn thing is not yet alive.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feticide#Fetal_homicide

    Is that law applicable to Ireland?

    Also I note your suspiciously low post count. Rereg much?


  • #3989
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    RobertKK wrote: »
    You should be asking what is the state offering rather than death as an option for the unborn as a choice.
    I mean a study in the US found 40% of abortion are for economic reasons, so it is like a eugenics program for poor people, rather than providing better supports for poor people so a pregnancy isn't a financial burden, these unborn lives are the future of every nation on Earth.
    36% for timing reasons - maybe better legislation and supports if a woman is in university or a job so timing is less of a problem.
    31% because a partner pushed for an abortion - where is the compassion there for the living woman?

    All women are offered is a lack of supports which the Yes side are silent on and the only thing the Yes side are offering is the option to terminate the life of their unborn as a solution - dressed up as compassion and healthcare, while women who continue their pregnancy are not given enough supports which is what the state should be using the money they are spending on this referendum for.

    Any evidence such as a link to this study?
    Thats a 107% ??


  • #3990
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joe40 wrote: »
    That was something I was going to ask in a different forum.
    For people coming at this from a religious angle, when do you believe a soul exists. Is it from the moment of conception, in which case all miscarriages no matter how early could have a funeral etc.

    Their going to yes of course but for centuries they couldn't be buried in consecrated ground or enter heaven, hence you had the angels plot in Glassnevin etc.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/they-buried-our-baby-for-5-and-nothing-more-was-said-1.561034


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  • #3991
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    JennyVin wrote: »
    What an utterly ridiculous thing to say. Explain why there is a crime of fetal homicide if an unborn thing is not yet alive.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feticide#Fetal_homicide

    Did you forget that you were posting on an irish message board?


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