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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #3782
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Are you trying to make out that taking those pills are harmless, and women should just keep doing that in secret, rather than Repeal?



    What floodgates!?




    You changed your tune.

    No not really. This is not about me or you or about trawling me or stalking me on the forum. When talking to anybody who has admitted having an abortion or thinking about it i would not name call. Would be counter productive. But when dealing with the right on brigade then its full throttle


  • #3783
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    kylith wrote: »
    I got one. And i’m Not just of age, i’m Actively pregnant!
    spookwoman wrote: »
    They are out in force today just got a pm from anti choice lot
    Might be an idea for maybe a post on help for what people can do if they get them

    I haven't :(

    Starting to feel a bit left out now :D


  • #3784
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,008 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    No not really. This is not about me or you or about trawling me or stalking me on the forum. When talking to anybody who has admitted having an abortion or thinking about it i would not name call. Would be counter productive. But when dealing with the right on brigade then its full throttle
    ?


  • #3785
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    spookwoman wrote: »
    trump has celebrity supporters as well
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/celebrities-who-support-trump-2016-11?r=US&IR=T/#ted-nugent-8

    Well Hillary was having her celeb concerts in Philly, while Trump was out in places like Wisconsin winning them, that is the difference.

    There is an ad for Yes with celebs but also some Fair City actors. Are people really influenced by these people?
    They are just giving their own opinion, or reading a script they have been told to read.
    I just think one would have to lack intelligence to be influenced by people simply because they are famous.


  • #3786
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Oh no, he just thought Clinton was just much worse than Trump because she'd try and start wars all over the place, unlike ol' peace-loving Don

    100% not kidding.

    I kind of miss those non-stop "I'm so scared of the drones and instability in the middle east that she will cause in she wins, and that is why I am supporting Trump" posts that... came to a complete and utter, abrupt stop as of around January, 2017. It ties in nicely with Love Both etc being all about "the babies" right until the moment the child is born, at which point they completely disappear from the picture altogether.


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  • #3787
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,008 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Well Hillary was having her celeb concerts in Philly, while Trump was out in places like Wisconsin winning them, that is the difference.

    There is an ad for Yes with celebs but also some Fair City actors. Are people really influenced by these people?
    They are just giving their own opinion, or reading a script they have been told to read.
    I just think one would have to lack intelligence to be influenced by people simply because they are famous.
    Agreed. I would also expand it to include people who believe fake news on posters.


  • #3788
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    sabat wrote: »
    Wait a minute. The Courtney Cox? The 90s sitcom actor Courtney Cox? The bird from the Bruce Springsteen video? Well that's changed everything. Call off the campaigns; the sage has spoken.

    Heh. Endorsement is exposure and she is heard by a lot of people that’s all.


  • #3789
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    I think most people realise there will be abortion in some form. They just don't want it on demand. If there was a replacement amendment that left it at 12 weeks this would pass. I might even consider voting for it but not this open ended thing


  • #3790
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Agreed. I would also expand it to include people who believe fake news on posters.

    Like removing the right to life of the unborn is compassion.


  • #3791
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Like removing the right to life of the unborn is compassion.

    Like saving your loved one by letting them continue chemo because a pee test came back positive kind of compassion yes. Not making your daughter carry a rape baby compassion.


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  • #3792
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    No not really. This is not about me or you or about trawling me or stalking me on the forum. When talking to anybody who has admitted having an abortion or thinking about it i would not name call. Would be counter productive. But when dealing with the right on brigade then its full throttle

    It was 4 days ago, in response to me, hardly stalking.

    And that "Right on brigade" you are ****ting on about ARE the people that have had an abortion, or are thinking about it, or might require it in the future.

    So back up there, and have a bit of a ****ing think.


  • #3793
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Overheal wrote: »
    Like saving your loved one by letting them continue chemo because a pee test came back positive kind of compassion yes.

    Posters don't say that.


  • #3794
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Posters don't say that.

    Fill in the blanks? It’s a lot of context to try and smush into a poster.


  • #3795
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,008 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Like removing the right to life of the unborn is compassion.

    What poster claims it is? Photo please.


  • #3796
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Overheal wrote: »
    Fill in the blanks? It’s a lot of context to try and smush into a poster.

    ah....but see...that would require independent and rational thought...


  • #3797
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Overheal wrote: »
    Fill in the blanks? It’s a lot of context to try and smush into a poster.

    We are voting to remove the right to life of the unborn.

    Yes for compassion, can mean what it wants to mean when it doesn't say what it is on the poster, and one can say 'that isn't compassion'.


  • #3798
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    RobertKK wrote: »
    We are voting to remove the right to life of the unborn.

    Or to restore the right to life of a woman depending on how you wish to look at it. Again, Sophie’s choice right?


  • #3799
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Overheal wrote: »
    Or to restore the right to life of a woman depending on how you wish to look at it. Again, Sophie’s choice right?

    But women have the right to life, a yes or no vote doesn't change that.


  • #3800
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,008 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    RobertKK wrote: »
    We are voting to remove the right to life of the unborn.

    Yes for compassion, can mean what it wants to mean when it doesn't say what it is on the poster, and one can say 'that isn't compassion'.

    Ah like it isn't compassionate to photoshop foetuses behind Simon Harris head? Thats the style compassion you want?


  • #3801
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    RobertKK wrote: »
    We are voting to remove the right to life of the unborn.

    Yes for compassion, can mean what it wants to mean when it doesn't say what it is on the poster, and one can say 'that isn't compassion'.
    Dictionary meaning of compassion
    "a strong feeling of sympathy and sadness for other people’s suffering or bad luck and a desire to help"
    How is voting no going to help a woman who is suffering, has the bad luck to have a life threatening illness and cannot get treatment because she is pregnant.


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  • #3802
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But women have the right to life, a yes or no vote doesn't change that.

    Do they? Because I’ve been informed of a lot of cases where they were put in jeopardy for a zygote. Where some have even died because hospitals are so indoctrinated on prioritizing life of a fetus over a dying woman.


  • #3803
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Dictionary meaning of compassion
    "a strong feeling of sympathy and sadness for other people’s suffering or bad luck and a desire to help"
    How is voting no going to help a woman who is suffering, has the bad luck to have a life threatening illness and cannot get treatment because she is pregnant.
    To add to that how does the unborn suffer in a termination, especially prior to 12 weeks before it has nerves or the ability to interpret stimuli?


  • #3804
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    No not really. This is not about me or you or about trawling me or stalking me on the forum. When talking to anybody who has admitted having an abortion or thinking about it i would not name call. Would be counter productive. But when dealing with the right on brigade then its full throttle

    Fair play to you not making personal comments because there are many who do but when you post the kind of thing that poster brought up it might as well be personal tbh. It's language designed to hurt and distress.


  • #3805
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,778 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Well look Grayson, I know someone on here said they studied it for 25 years so how does one compete with that and over and over the idea that it is life is ridiculed by practically all the Yes people on here, someone keeps comparing it to a piece of meat yet but I fall back on my 'What to expect when you're expecting" book, one of many handbooks for pregnant women and that tells me all I need to know about the developing contents of the womb. Actually you can look up the book online and see week by week videos of the developing baby. It doesn't matter to me what its size, if it is healthy and developing as it is designed to do I am against ending its life.

    Just over 25 years ago I left school. It was a very Catholic school. During the last abortion referendum we had youth defense talk to us. So I was fully taught why abortion is wrong from the Catholic perspective. It took about 10 years for me to start changing my mind.

    The reason I changed is because I wanted a logical, fact based opinion on this. I decided to start with the proposition that its wrong to kill a person. A baby is a person. A baby a day before birth is a person. So is an embryo one? So what makes a person. And what makes us human isn't just dna.
    Catholics believe it's a person because a soul is there from the moment of conception. What's the non religious equivalent of a soul? It's a working brain. That's why every religion on earth agrees that a person who's brain dead is dead. It doesn't matter what state the body is in, its the brain that matters.for them the brain is the equivalent of the soul.

    I've spent years thinking about this. And my opinions have changed as I've gotten new information. I look at it from a biological standpoint. A philosophical standpoint. And morally.
    I really don't want to be wrong. If I thought abortion meant killing people I would be 100% against it. And it's the central pillar of any argument for or against abortion. When is an embryo/foetus a person? Because all of us agree that killing a person is wrong.


  • #3806
    bootpaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭bootpaws


    RobertKK wrote: »
    We are voting to remove the right to life of the unborn.

    Yes for compassion, can mean what it wants to mean when it doesn't say what it is on the poster, and one can say 'that isn't compassion'.

    Here's reality, Robert.

    There's more to life than being born. Life is hard. Life is expensive. Life is disappointing. Life can be amazing, and fun. But it's never, ever easy.

    Constantly repeating "life is precious, life must not be stopped, life must be cherished, abortion is the ending of a life" is pointless. It's a point of view, and no one is saying you can't hold it.

    But we are telling you, it's a point of view that is impossible to build laws around without infringing on the human rights of people who already HAVE life. If life is truly so precious, what is it without the ability to make your own personal decisions?

    Life is never perfect, and is never going to be perfect. We can't build laws around pretending that it is.

    In a perfect world, we wouldn't need jails. We wouldn't need medical care. But we do need those things, because this is not a perfect world.

    Women have sought abortion since the dawn of time, and women will seek abortion until the world stops turning. It is a fact that goes hand in hand with being alive.

    Are you going to continue to be cowardly about this fact, to deny it and put your fingers in your ears and scream "all life is precious!" while women are being denied healthcare in their own country, or are you going to face reality and accept that we create laws everyday for things that are unsavoury but that must happen regardless, because life is not always so beautiful and precious?

    I have a feeling I know what your answer will be, and it says a lot about what exactly you think of life.


  • #3807
    Nettle Soup
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    I think most people realise there will be abortion in some form. They just don't want it on demand. If there was a replacement amendment that left it at 12 weeks this would pass. I might even consider voting for it but not this open ended thing

    A replacement amendment where? In the constitution??

    Why not vote No to repeal a flawed constitutional change inspired by Rome and then lobby for whatever Dail legislation you want on abortion afterwards?


  • #3808
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Ah like it isn't compassionate to photoshop foetuses behind Simon Harris head? Thats the style compassion you want?

    It was totally wrong but either side could have done that.


  • #3809
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Dictionary meaning of compassion
    "a strong feeling of sympathy and sadness for other people’s suffering or bad luck and a desire to help"
    How is voting no going to help a woman who is suffering, has the bad luck to have a life threatening illness and cannot get treatment because she is pregnant.

    What percentage of abortions are for life threatening illnesses?


  • #3810
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,382 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It was totally wrong but either side could have done that.
    Ah come on now are you serious? ...only one side has a history of using graphic images and it isn't the repeal side.

    Your like a John Mc guirk disciple in training.


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  • #3811
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Fair play to you not making personal comments because there are many who do but when you post the kind of thing that poster brought up it might as well be personal tbh. It's language designed to hurt and distress.

    You have a point. We all get provoked here at times . Both sides. I apologise if i caused hurt to anyone who had an abortion


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