8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

09-05-2018 06:16PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Not quite the same think though. Parents have been driven to getting drugs for their child or pay off their debts, doesn't mean the right thing for them to do is acquire drugs for other peoples children or pay off their debts.

Reminds me of my friends father who said he was voting no.
She reminded him how he paid for her to go to England when she was 19, in the early 90's to have an abortion!
His reply? That was different!
Every female is someone daughter, wife, sister etc. I'd you would help your own you should allow others the chance to help their loved ones also.

neonsofa · 09-05-2018 06:17PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Id show her compassion and pleading with her not to abort the baby just because shes young.

Many young women have babies young and can thrive at life. Yes its a big change but one that they wouldn't be alone in.

Yep many do. I did it myself. And when things got tough I was able to tell myself it was my own choice. When people judged and gossiped I could take ownership of my choice and ignore them. If that choice had been made for me there is not a hope that I'd have "thrived".

Btw before things became good for us, I had multiple **** jobs at a time while studying with a newborn, periods on the dole when I was let go due to not being able to work shifts when needed, which got worse when baby became sick, asking family members to babysit constantly so I could take shifts/study etc. and severe stress/anxiety/depression,including post natal depression. Baby got passed around from pillar to post so that I could "thrive" and I was constantly stressed and depressed.

But once you get to feel good about "saving a life" it doesnt matter what quality of life the mother or baby actually has.

Sofiztikated · 09-05-2018 06:20PM

I got speaking with one of my lecturers today, and the topic of the referendum came up.

Big into the GAA, coaches both mens and womens teams, a proper country lad, thinks as much as a joint will have you sucking dick for crack.

He's voting to repeal, because he's known girls on the teams he coaches that have either traveled or gotten the pills sent over, and thinks it's a disgrace that we can't look after them in our own country.

A bit of compassion is all that's needed. And yes RobertKK, it is compassion. It's understanding that things aren't ****ing rosey all the time, giving people support in **** situations, and if they require a termination, then **** sake, lets do it here.

eviltwin · 09-05-2018 06:20PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

"I have never met a woman who found abortion trivial. Have you?

Then why the constant comments on how it's not a life. And everytime someone says it is a life, Yes people are clamouring over themselves to say it isn't. Either it is or it isn't and if it isn't according to Yes people what does it matter.[/QUOTE]

It's quite simple. A lot of people don't consider a foetus a life. I don't which is why I had no real issues with having an abortion. What I had an issue with was the difficulty in actually having one bearing in mind I'm one of the very fortunate ones who could travel.

It wasn't an easy decision because as a mother I know that foetus would in all likelihood grow into a baby. That's why I wanted the abortion as early as possible but had to wait to get the money.

It wasn't easy because I knew I would be treated badly by those who don't support choice, called a slag and a baby killer and told I don't deserve children.

It was hard because I knew I was getting myself into debt it would take months to repay.

It was hard because I had to lie to my loved ones for fear of being judged.

It was hard because I had to leave a clinic in Manchester bleeding and weak because I had a flight to catch.

It was hard because I had no aftercare and was terrified when the bleeding wouldn't stop. And as I say, I'm lucky. I didn't have to go alone or have a home abortion.

It's ten years later, I've never regretted it, the decision was the right one but I still feel angry nothing has changed. Exporting our women has to stop.

ASISEEIT · 09-05-2018 06:21PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Nope. Whatever way this referendum goes, women will keep having abortions. This comes to where and how women have abortions.

Vote Yes if you think abortions should happen here, under the supervision of a person's own medical team.

Vote No if you think they should keep happening abroad or in secret, both of which mean increased risks to the health of the woman.

Where is the evidence of secret abortions in 2018 ??

RobertKK · 09-05-2018 06:22PM

January wrote: »

Courtney Cox has tweeted in favour of repeal

It is like all those celebrity endorsements Hillary Clinton got...

spookwoman · 09-05-2018 06:22PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is like all those celebrity endorsements Hillary Clinton got...

trump supporter? why am I not surprised

ASISEEIT · 09-05-2018 06:23PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Then why the constant comments on how it's not a life. And everytime someone says it is a life, Yes people are clamouring over themselves to say it isn't. Either it is or it isn't and if it isn't according to Yes people what does it matter.

It's quite simple. A lot of people don't consider a foetus a life. I don't which is why I had no real issues with having an abortion. What I had an issue with was the difficulty in actually having one bearing in mind I'm one of the very fortunate ones who could travel.

It wasn't an easy decision because as a mother I know that foetus would in all likelihood grow into a baby. That's why I wanted the abortion as early as possible but had to wait to get the money.

It wasn't easy because I knew I would be treated badly by those who don't support choice, called a slag and a baby killer and told I don't deserve children.

It was hard because I knew I was getting myself into debt it would take months to repay.

It was hard because I had to lie to my loved ones for fear of being judged.

It was hard because I had to leave a clinic in Manchester bleeding and weak because I had a flight to catch.

It was hard because I had no aftercare and was terrified when the bleeding wouldn't stop. And as I say, I'm lucky. I didn't have to go alone or have a home abortion.

It's ten years later, I've never regretted it, the decision was the right one but I still feel angry nothing has changed. Exporting our women has to stop.[/QUOTE]

Im a no voter but would never condemn anybody who had an abortion. What does that solve? I might try to persuade a person but nothing more.

RobertKK · 09-05-2018 06:23PM

Overheal wrote: »

If you want to split hairs about it being a life I can but I know that’s not good reasoning for people so out of respect for how this conversation has evolved I’m happy to let it be. I think the issue transcends whether the unborn is life or not, this is about those “Sophie’s choice” scenarios, and whether you want to allow choices to be made in those cases.

of course it is a life, a pregnancy is a life and that is what is terminated in an abortion, the life that makes a woman pregnant.

robarmstrong · 09-05-2018 06:23PM

spookwoman wrote: »

trump supporter? why am I not surprised

Well they both are horrifically misogynistic, so it does make sense.

pjohnson · 09-05-2018 06:24PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is like all those celebrity endorsements Hillary Clinton got...

Yes its a conspiracy aint it?

Big bad media against us?

ASISEEIT · 09-05-2018 06:24PM

For some technical reason above my quote not clear

Bubbaclaus · 09-05-2018 06:24PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is like all those celebrity endorsements Hillary Clinton got...

RobertKKK the Trump supporter. I remember you posting thousands of times about the last referendum. You were on the wrong side of history on that occasion too.

RobertKK · 09-05-2018 06:26PM

spookwoman wrote: »

trump supporter? why am I not surprised

They were two awful candidates, neither would have been my choice, but Hillary despite the death and destruction that her support for every war going led to, still got the brain dead celebrity backing.

robarmstrong · 09-05-2018 06:27PM

ASISEEIT wrote: »

For some technical reason above my quote not clear

Put this in instead, just remove the " I left in - [QUOTE"=eviltwin;106949852]
It's quite simple. A lot of people don't consider a foetus a life. I don't which is why I had no real issues with having an abortion. What I had an issue with was the difficulty in actually having one bearing in mind I'm one of the very fortunate ones who could travel.

It wasn't an easy decision because as a mother I know that foetus would in all likelihood grow into a baby. That's why I wanted the abortion as early as possible but had to wait to get the money.

It wasn't easy because I knew I would be treated badly by those who don't support choice, called a slag and a baby killer and told I don't deserve children.

It was hard because I knew I was getting myself into debt it would take months to repay.

It was hard because I had to lie to my loved ones for fear of being judged.

It was hard because I had to leave a clinic in Manchester bleeding and weak because I had a flight to catch.

It was hard because I had no aftercare and was terrified when the bleeding wouldn't stop. And as I say, I'm lucky. I didn't have to go alone or have a home abortion.

It's ten years later, I've never regretted it, the decision was the right one but I still feel angry nothing has changed. Exporting our women has to stop.[/QUOTE]

B0jangles · 09-05-2018 06:27PM

spookwoman wrote: »

trump supporter? why am I not surprised

Oh no, he just thought Clinton was just much worse than Trump because she'd try and start wars all over the place, unlike ol' peace-loving Don

100% not kidding.

pjohnson · 09-05-2018 06:28PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They were two awful candidates, neither would have been my choice, but Hillary despite the death and destruction that her support for every war going led to, still got the brain dead celebrity backing.

How can you speak about hilary's life like this?

ASISEEIT · 09-05-2018 06:29PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Nope. Whatever way this referendum goes, women will keep having abortions. This comes to where and how women have abortions.

Vote Yes if you think abortions should happen here, under the supervision of a person's own medical team.

Vote No if you think they should keep happening abroad or in secret, both of which mean increased risks to the health of the woman.

Where is the evidence of secret abortions in 2018 ??

eviltwin · 09-05-2018 06:30PM

ASISEEIT wrote: »

Where is the evidence of secret abortions in 2018 ??

You think every woman who has an abortion travels for it?

spookwoman · 09-05-2018 06:30PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They were two awful candidates, neither would have been my choice, but Hillary despite the death and destruction that her support for every war going led to, still got the brain dead celebrity backing.

trump has celebrity supporters as well
http://uk.businessinsider.com/celebrities-who-support-trump-2016-11?r=US&IR=T/#ted-nugent-8

robarmstrong · 09-05-2018 06:31PM

ASISEEIT wrote: »

Where is the evidence of secret abortions in 2018 ??

https://www.ifpa.ie/Hot-Topics/Abortion/Statistics

In particular (now this is from 2016, rather than 2018 as there are no figures available yet) -

A 2016 report shows that 1,642 abortion pill packages were sent to Ireland in the 3 year period 2010 to 2012. by a single provider.

Overheal · 09-05-2018 06:31PM

RobertKK wrote: »

of course it is a life, a pregnancy is a life and that is what is terminated in an abortion, the life that makes a woman pregnant.

Even with the stipulation that it is a life, it doesn’t change my opinion.

And you yourself surely have some line you draw: is the Morning After Pill, murder?

Mrsmum · 09-05-2018 06:32PM

Grayson wrote: »

That's why I'm asking people why they believe what they believe. And i present my belief so they can find a flaw.

I want to be right about this and I believe I am. But it's a serious issue and if I'm wrong i want people to explain what's wrong with my thought process.

Well look Grayson, I know someone on here said they studied it for 25 years so how does one compete with that and over and over the idea that it is life is ridiculed by practically all the Yes people on here, someone keeps comparing it to a piece of meat yet but I fall back on my 'What to expect when you're expecting" book, one of many handbooks for pregnant women and that tells me all I need to know about the developing contents of the womb. Actually you can look up the book online and see week by week videos of the developing baby. It doesn't matter to me what its size, if it is healthy and developing as it is designed to do I am against ending its life.

Overheal · 09-05-2018 06:33PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They were two awful candidates, neither would have been my choice, but Hillary despite the death and destruction that her support for every war going led to, still got the brain dead celebrity backing.

And trump has been some saint! Just as we knew he would be.

Igotadose · 09-05-2018 06:33PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They were two awful candidates, neither would have been my choice, but Hillary despite the death and destruction that her support for every war going led to, still got the brain dead celebrity backing.

But you repeatedly supported Trump, denying the reality of what he was saying, what his party stands for, and who he surrounded himself with.

Sure, people of conscience supported Hilary. Not enough to overcome the streams of lies and invective sent her way by the tGOP and their masters and their gullible followers.

This is why what Google and Facebook have done viz. the eighth repeal is reason to rejoice. Good riddance, USA dollars. Maybe if those lying NO posters came down, they won't come back up now, no $$ in it.

Ken. · 09-05-2018 06:37PM

Mod-bubbaclaus don't post here again. Reason- being a dick

Hannibal_Smith · 09-05-2018 06:38PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Then why the constant comments on how it's not a life. And everytime someone says it is a life, Yes people are clamouring over themselves to say it isn't. Either it is or it isn't and if it isn't according to Yes people what does it matter.

That's not trivialising the situation, its countering the argument that babies are being killed. That is a total lie. It's not a life in its own right it is dependent on the person carrying it for everything. It is explaining the facts and what is being spoken about when it comes to 12 week abortions.

I'm sorry to say that I find it very surprising that we are weeks into this discussion and it isn't obvious that those voting for choice aren't in any way trivialising the matter. I wonder whether those voting for choice for are seen as evil baby killers? Is there no ability to see the other side at all?

pjohnson · 09-05-2018 06:39PM

Igotadose wrote: »

But you repeatedly supported Trump, denying the reality of what he was saying, what his party stands for, and who he surrounded himself with.

Sure, people of conscience supported Hilary. Not enough to overcome the streams of lies and invective sent her way by the tGOP and their masters and their gullible followers.

This is why what Google and Facebook have done viz. the eighth repeal is reason to rejoice. Good riddance, USA dollars. Maybe if those lying NO posters came down, they won't come back up now, no $$ in it.

Nah Google and Facebook are part of the Repeal conspiracy as per McGurk, probably Robert since he brought Hilary into discussion.

Sofiztikated · 09-05-2018 06:39PM

RobertKK wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/rosa-abortion-pill-bus-2404333-Oct2015/
http://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-pills-bus-3216154-Feb2017/

Just wondering as Rosa and some other repeal campaigners were eating then like sweets in the past, and without medical supervision.

Are you trying to make out that taking those pills are harmless, and women should just keep doing that in secret, rather than Repeal?

patrickSTARR wrote: »

My fear is that with the flood gates opened with the 8th gone, the government wont legislate correctly.

What floodgates!?

ASISEEIT wrote: »

Im a no voter but would never condemn anybody who had an abortion. What does that solve? I might try to persuade a person but nothing more.

You changed your tune.

ASISEEIT wrote: »

No. Its obvious . Numbers tiny but the pro suck out the baby and put in a miniature body bag brigade want to focus on less than .001% pregnancies so we can go ahead and slaughter 20% of babies like they do in Uk.

sabat · 09-05-2018 06:43PM

January wrote: »

Courtney Cox has tweeted in favour of repeal

Wait a minute. The Courtney Cox? The 90s sitcom actor Courtney Cox? The bird from the Bruce Springsteen video? Well that's changed everything. Call off the campaigns; the sage has spoken.

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