8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

McGuirk was on Twitter welcoming Facebook's block on foreign ads, but threw a wobbler at the Google's flat block on all referendum ads which includes YouTube.

This suggests to me that they thought their money source was plausibly Irish enough to fool Facebook/Google, and that their planned spend was huge enough that blocking it upset their whole campaign plan.

RobertKK wrote: »

The repeal shield is very encouraging, now up to 11.5k twitter accounts and it's growing fast. So many No people to this referendum.
It went up around 2,000 in a week, the more it grows the more encouragement it is for No as it shows a lot of support.

The No side have nothing similar, so we can't compare.

i wouldn’t place any stock in the number of twitter followers something has. Brexit and the US elections should have already dispelled you of that folly.

RobertKK wrote: »

The repeal shield is very encouraging, now up to 11.5k twitter accounts and it's growing fast. So many No people to this referendum.
It went up around 2,000 in a week, the more it grows the more encouragement it is for No as it shows a lot of support.

The No side have nothing similar, so we can't compare.

Yes lots of support from a handful of people as bots can't vote

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Its not arrogant.

Its the lesser of two evils in my eyes. Who ever I vote for, someone will be hard done by.

Votes Yes : the unborn babies

Votes No : those in need of medical care.

Its the reality of the situation from my view.

No, that's a cop out.

You are essentially saying you are ok with and agree with women who have been raped having to carry to term, women with FFA babies being denied a termination, and women with cancer being denied treatment on the grounds of being pregnant.

You are saying all this is ok and worth it so that we can stop the "bad" abortions for inconvenience.
News Flash: The ones who want to do so for "inconvenience" reasons can just go to the UK.

You aren't stopping anything. You are just adding more suffering to an already devastating time to women in who need healthcare in their OWN country.

And as for the bolded, we need to look after living citizens (aka pregnant women) before we look after potential ones.
Actual people come before zygotes. It shouldn't be hard to understand.

Mrsmum wrote: »

And also nature decided it was the safest place to put that life.

Something else that occurs to me. My mother was only in my life for five years and I am now more than 15 years older than she was when she died and I hope I will live a lot longer. It makes me think how life laughs in the face of how important we think we are in so far as she, by most people's standards here, should be entitled to get rid of a life that would live far longer than her own. I accept there are reasons where on balance there are difficulties with the 8th for hard cases but on demand abortions I can't accept.

I take it by your username you have children. Honestly, what would you do if your daughter, or son, came to you looking for help getting an abortion? Would you help them?

RobertKK wrote: »

The repeal shield is very encouraging, now up to 11.5k twitter accounts and it's growing fast. So many No people to this referendum. It went up around 2,000 in a week, the more it grows the more encouragement it is for No as it shows a lot of support.

Yes, I'm sure all those Twitter accounts are authored by actual humans, all Irish voters, you are on a winner there.

Mrsmum wrote: »

And also nature decided it was the safest place to put that life.

Something else that occurs to me. My mother was only in my life for five years and I am now more than 15 years older than she was when she died and I hope I will live a lot longer. It makes me think how life laughs in the face of how important we think we are in so far as she, by most people's standards here, should be entitled to get rid of a life that would live far longer than her own. I accept there are reasons where on balance there are difficulties with the 8th for hard cases but on demand abortions I can't accept.

nature didnt "decide" anything. evolution doesnt work that way.

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This post has been deleted.

I should have posted another link there.

source

The Abortion Worldwide 2017 report shows that abortion rates are in fact slightly higher in countries where it is prohibited or highly restricted than in countries where it is widely available, with a rate of 37 per 1,000 women in the former and 34 in the latter.

“Legal restrictions do not eliminate abortion,” says the report. “Rather, they increase the likelihood that abortions will be done unsafely.”

Here is the link to the full thing:
https://www.guttmacher.org/report/abortion-worldwide-2017

It used the Lancet article linked for its data.

Just to go back to your specific question they say:

Reliable, high-quality data on the incidence of abortion are not consistently available for all countries. Where abortion is highly legally restricted, reliable reporting systems are usually absent. And even where the procedure is broadly legal, official records can be incomplete. Regardless of the legal setting, women are often highly reluctant to admit to having had an abortion in response to direct questioning because of the stigma surrounding the issue. To address these formidable data challenges, population scientists have devised a range of methodologies to estimate abortion incidence at the national level.

- and they link to the methologies (235 different references used!).

Its a bit dense but the conclusion is widely accepted.[/quote]
I still can't see where it says, abortion rates fall when made legal ?
We all know Legal restrictions do not eliminate abortion that's clear , but you have said abortion levels fall when its made legal  .
Your data seems to only prove abortion as a whole is down world wide in first world countries ( due to better contraception in the east )
Can you show me where it says abortion falls form the previous year when it is made legal ?
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Or are "WE" going  to have to through out your argument like you have been saying about others

Overheal wrote: »

Then don’t support on demand abortion. The 8th still bans all abortions, even for reasons you agree with. The rest is a legislative matter.

I agree, however I don't trust the government to draft legislation that bans abortion on demand.

If I knew repealing the 8th would ban on demand abortion for unwanted pregnancies then id vote to repeal.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Just NIMBYism so, really.
You don't give a damn about Irish women aborting Irish babies so long as it doesn't happen in Ireland.
Gotcha.

I do, but what can I do to stop them going abroad?

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Its not a cop out, its the way I see it.

Let people go to the UK, just because the UK allow it doesn't mean we should just go ........oh ok.

If a woman wants to do that, let her go across and do it. I don't have a vote in England and how the run it, but I do have a vote in this country.

But you ccall it a zygote, I look at it as a life.

Nope, it's a cop out.

If women go to the UK, why can't we have them here?

Maybe we should allow them to have the abortions here so they can have the right medical care and support afterwards?

Because of the 8th women are gonna have to travel to have this done.

Your vote in this country is depriving women of a choice.

Mrsmum wrote: »

I accept there are reasons where on balance there are difficulties with the 8th for hard cases but on demand abortions I can't accept.

Why not? How many women with difficult cases are you prepared to sacrifice, and for what? Women will still have abortions (where they are able to) by taking pills or travelling abroad.

It seems to me that you simply want to punish women who want or need abortions, and for the life of me I can't understand why anybody would be that cruel.

You don't have to like abortion or approve of it to vote to repeal the 8th.

We didn't vote to allow divorce because we like divorce, or because we want more of it. We voted for it because there is a need for it.

You can vote to repeal the 8th without feeling that you are somehow approving of abortion. You would only be recognising the necessity of it. No more no less.

Overheal wrote: »

Must be nice for Irish women that have the time off work or the money to afford it.

You’re cool with class warfare. Awesome.

Id rather they didn't go abroad, id rather they value the life inside of them a bit more.