8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

SusieBlue · 09-05-2018 04:23PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

What about your morals...... that the life inside a woman should be just terminated. It should have the right to grow, live and experience life.

So just because shes unhappy shes pregnant, the child should be aborted? It deserves the chance at life.

I'm not forcing my morals on anyone. And I would never personally have an abortion myself. I just vehemently defend a womans right to choose.

You voting No restricts my maternity healthcare and makes me live according to your morals. My Yes vote does sweet fúck all to you.

ASISEEIT · 09-05-2018 04:23PM

A lot of yes voters a bit jittery. If you dont turn this soon you are heading for a no. Remember trump and brexit. Bad decisions i grant you but not expected .
The constitution will say nothing about 12 weeks. Nothing about limiting it there

Triceratops Ballet · 09-05-2018 04:24PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Nothing, she should have the child and care for it, its her duty as a mother. Not kill it before its born?

Just because she doesn't want it........ what a low reason to terminate a life

What if she was raped?
What if she's 15/16?
What if she didn't want to have kids and took the pills and used a condom but it didn't work?
Do you also propose that the fathers of these kids should be bound to them too legally and should not be allowed to walk away from their offspring just because they may not want them?

patrickSTARR · 09-05-2018 04:24PM

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

How would you punish it?

If a family member came to you and said she'd taken the pills unbeknownst to you and was suffering from complications from them would you turn her in? Drive her to the hospital and call the guards on the way?

Id have to decide on that when it happened. Id be conflicted. Id 100 percent bring them to hospital.

Id be hugely disappointed for sure and it would change my opinion of them.

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Zubeneschamali · 09-05-2018 04:25PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Just because you says foetus or zygote doesn't mean its not ending a life.

It is not a child - see the Supreme Court ruling from March. Seven judges, unanimous ruling.

eviltwin · 09-05-2018 04:25PM

Moiratat wrote: »

So am I a killer then?

No you aren't just as I'm not. If we'd killed someone we'd be in prison, we'd be pariahs, in my case I'd be sacked from my job but none of those things have happened because we didn't kill anyone no matter what some people would like you to think. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Nettle Soup · 09-05-2018 04:25PM

ASISEEIT wrote: »

A lot of yes voters a bit jittery. If you dont turn this soon you are heading for a no. Remember trump and brexit. Bad decisions i grant you but not expected .
The constitution will say nothing about 12 weeks. Nothing about limiting it there

A No vote will also be a wrong and shameful decision.

spookwoman · 09-05-2018 04:25PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Are you serious? Are No Repeal folks creating accounts to PM you?

No honour.

This was from an old user they havent posted in the part 3 thread yet. I think I've locked it down where pm is turned off now

Billy86 · 09-05-2018 04:26PM

ASISEEIT wrote: »

A lot of yes voters a bit jittery. If you dont turn this soon you are heading for a no. Remember trump and brexit. Bad decisions i grant you but not expected .
The constitution will say nothing about 12 weeks. Nothing about limiting it there

I remember Trump and Brexit almost as well as I remember the last referendum on a divisive issue we had back in 2015. I also remember well just how often we had those opposed to it yammering on about how close it was going to be.

In the end they won one single constituency (Sth Leitrim/Roscommon), by about 1.5%.

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swampgas · 09-05-2018 04:27PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Id have to decide on that when it happened. Id be conflicted. Id 100 percent bring them to hospital.

Id be hugely disappointed for sure and it would change my opinion of them.

When (if?) you figure out exactly why you would be conflicted, you will have figured out why many pro-choice people are pro-choice. It will be because you will have discovered some little bit of empathy and compassion for the woman instead of the zygote/embryo that you are so damned fixated on.

captbarnacles · 09-05-2018 04:28PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Define healthy. Please, if you want to see a law passed on this, what is healthy?

And inconvenient isn't quite the right term. Pregnancy and a child is a fairly big, life changing affair. Ask any mother.

Mentions of 'convenience' give the game away. Also always makes me wonder has the poster ever met or known a pregnant woman. My guess is no.

I was less pro-choice before I my wife's first pregnancy but after that no way would I force anyone to endure pregnancy.

patrickSTARR · 09-05-2018 04:28PM

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

What if she was raped?
What if she's 15/16?
What if she didn't want to have kids and took the pills and used a condom but it didn't work?
Do you also propose that the fathers of these kids should be bound to them too legally and should not be allowed to walk away from their offspring just because they may not want them?

1) The unborn child should still have the right to life despite the horrible situation
2) Same as above but less horrible situation.
3) Its happened, the right to life should still stand
4) 100 percent and its a disgrace that so many fathers in Ireland, and the world, are absent from their childs lives

Sofiztikated · 09-05-2018 04:29PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

It is a life changing affair, but it doesn't have to be a bad one. Its a huge change yes.

It doesn't have to be, but why is it you that says that they MUST change their life? Why shouldn't they have a say in it?

Healthy, as in physically and mentally fit.

If it's going in the constitution, you're going to need a bit more than that.

What about rob's case, where they actively WANT a child. But due to an abnomaly that affects about 1% of the population, a healthy woman has a high degree of miscarrying, due to the implantation being wrong. It's a healthy woman, it's a healthy fetus until it miscarries, should they be forced to go through miscarriage after miscarriage until it "sits" right? How will you account for that in the Constitution?

Or those like my sister in law, 3 surgeries on her knees, but otherwise fit as a fiddle. Another pregnancy (which she's going through now) and it's possible that she'll be wheelchair bound. But she won't know until after the pregnancy. Should they be forced into it? How does that fit into the Constitution? She's healthy, the fetus is healthy, but there's a risk to her health.

Or any one of a thousand reasons why a pregnancy can affect a womans health. How will you account for that, in the Constitution?

Calina · 09-05-2018 04:29PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

bootpaws wrote: »

I'm sorry, women will be "tempted"?! By healthcare?!

Terminating a pregnancy isn't like going to the f**ing chipper. No one is sitting there thinking "ah sure I was gonna have it but now I'm mad tempted to go to my Doctor to discuss this serious life changing decision on a whim!"

The absolute audacity of the way some of you people talk about women. I swear to Christ.

Termination of a pregnancy isn't always for health reasons.

Unless you are pregnant and making the decision it isn't any of your business.

I am all for prolife people being prolife about their own lives. I draw the line at them being prolife about my life. This is not a black and white issue where action A is always right and action B is always wrong.

Demand for abortion is driven by the fact that we as a society do not value the contributions of women to motherhood. It is possibly the most important role in society and it is exploited for free by society. And women who did it outside societal norms got shut away, ostracised, victimised and shunned.

This is not about valuing life. Anyone who talks about campaigning for saving lifes and who is not also campaigning for a realistic economic recompense doesn't care abour life. They do not care about anything past getting the baby out and cutting the umbilical cord. A big chunk of this is continuing to control and manipulate women.

spookwoman · 09-05-2018 04:29PM

Scraping the barrel Pro life now having an emergency meeting over google and the ads.

patrickSTARR · 09-05-2018 04:29PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I'm not forcing my morals on anyone. And I would never personally have an abortion myself. I just vehemently defend a womans right to choose.

You voting No restricts my maternity healthcare and makes me live according to your morals. My Yes vote does sweet fúck all to you.

But you do, just when it suits your argument.

What about someone who commits a crime........ an armed rovbbery, a murder, a rape?

You would then right?

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yourdeadwright · 09-05-2018 04:31PM

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So no evidence then.

OK - we will throw out that assertion as nonsense.[/quote]
Do a you wish with it ,

It wasnt me123 · 09-05-2018 04:32PM

David McWilliams advocating Yes on Newstalk right now - giving the women proper medical care and choices

AtomicHorror · 09-05-2018 04:32PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Just because you says foetus or zygote doesn't mean its not ending a life.

If I stamp on and crush an acorn, does that mean I just knocked down an oak tree with my foot?

Yeah, there's shades of grey between the stages of life, but come on. These words have true biological meaning.

Triceratops Ballet · 09-05-2018 04:32PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Id have to decide on that when it happened. Id be conflicted. Id 100 percent bring them to hospital.

Id be hugely disappointed for sure and it would change my opinion of them.

you did say these women should be prosecuted though?

You know there's a good change that in your lifetime you've had one of these women in your life? Would you just rather not know so you didn't have to be conflicted in how you think about them?

FWIW I wouldn't have 2 f*cks to give about a person in my life "who was disappointed in me, and had a different opinion of me" if they found out I'd made a decision like that.

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AtomicHorror · 09-05-2018 04:33PM

What's with the PMs from pro-life folks who don't post on this thread? What does this achieve. Leave me alone, please.

SusieBlue · 09-05-2018 04:33PM

patrickSTARR wrote: »

But you do, just when it suits your argument.

What about someone who commits a crime........ an armed rovbbery, a murder, a rape?

You would then right?

Rape, armed robbery and murder harm living citizens and are rightly illegal. Absolutely no comparison.

obi604 · 09-05-2018 04:34PM

if the vote is passed and its a yes, how long before wee see clinics setup in ireland. days, weeks months ?

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eviltwin · 09-05-2018 04:34PM

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Showing their true colours

Walter Bishop · 09-05-2018 04:34PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Do a you wish with it ,

We will, your anecdote is not data, unless you personally witnessed all these women taking these pills. What you think happened or how you feel about what happened means **** all.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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