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Renault Zoe // First Car

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  • #32
    unkel
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    Nope, no hassle and zero costs (no import duty / VAT / VRT or anything else)

    All Zoes that seem reasonably priced will have battery lease. I wouldn't go there, seriously. If your budget is very tight, I'd get a first gen Leaf from the UK for about GBP5.5k-6k

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  • #33
    Gumbi
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    unkel wrote: »
    Nope, no hassle and zero costs (no import duty / VAT / VRT or anything else)

    All Zoes that seem reasonably priced will have battery lease. I wouldn't go there, seriously. If your budget is very tight, I'd get a first gen Leaf from the UK for about GBP5.5k-6k

    I was coming to the conclusion that a Zoe might be better for me given the range advantage (spec or size isn't as important to me, getting from A to B is moreso important) and the fact it's slightly cheaper. Would you not agree?

    The 1.5 2014/2015 better-battery (slower degrading AFAIK) Leafs seem to be a bit on the dearer side to me.

    I'm happy to go as far as maybe 10k euro.


  • #34
    beauf
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    The Zoe is a bit spartan vs a leaf and also terms of bank for buck. Some dealers are importing non battery lease ones.


  • #35
    beauf
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    unkel wrote: »
    Nope, no hassle and zero costs (no import duty / VAT / VRT or anything else)

    All Zoes that seem reasonably priced will have battery lease. I wouldn't go there, seriously. If your budget is very tight, I'd get a first gen Leaf from the UK for about GBP5.5k-6k

    if the price was the same and no battery lease you still get a first gen leaf? Why?


  • #36
    Gumbi
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    beauf wrote: »
    The Zoe is a bit spartan vs a leaf and also terms of bank for buck. Some dealers are importing non battery lease ones.

    Sure, but size and spec are less relvant for me. The Zoe will get better range as far as I can tell, and is cheaper to boot. It fits my needs more, wouldn't you agree?


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  • #37
    Gumbi
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    unkel wrote: »
    Nope, no hassle and zero costs (no import duty / VAT / VRT or anything else)

    All Zoes that seem reasonably priced will have battery lease. I wouldn't go there, seriously. If your budget is very tight, I'd get a first gen Leaf from the UK for about GBP5.5k-6k

    Interesting. So the only hassle involved is the potential inconvenience of bringing the car from the UK to here? But in theory I can buy a car in the UK and just drive it over here?

    Thanks. I think I'll have a look at Zoes and see if I can get a battery owned one for about 7-8.5kGBP.


  • #38
    beauf
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    Gumbi wrote: »
    Sure, but size and spec are less relvant for me. The Zoe will get better range as far as I can tell, and is cheaper to boot. It fits my needs more, wouldn't you agree?

    Others are more expert than me. Is like to know why others think the 1st leaf is a better buy.

    I liked the Zoe because it was smaller on the driveway for a second car and had fast charging amongst the older used EVs. I also liked the simpler interior and exterior looks tbh.

    But I don't know if it's a smarter buy. I decided to buy a much cheaper petrol car as a stop gap.


  • #39
    unkel
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    There's a battery owned 2012 Leaf on Autotrader for GBP5300. You'd bring that in for a touch over €6k if you haggle a bit and get a cheap flight and ferry. You will have almost zero depreciation on that car. It will need an NCT though, so that's a risk (even if it has a brand now MOT, that says nothing)
    beauf wrote: »
    if the price was the same and no battery lease you still get a first gen leaf? Why?

    Show me a €6k battery owned Zoe?

    Reasons for Leaf over Zoe: Zoe is very basic car, spartan even. It's slow, not as well equipped, not as comfortable as Leaf and far less reliable and it doesn't charge as quickly. Also CHAdeMO is the only system that has V2G / V2H reasonably easy to implement (hardware that works exists)

    Reasons for Zoe over Leaf: Looks (no surprises there :D), public AC charge points everywhere

    I'm not 100% on the range comparison between these cars, but both are fairly limited (Zoe particularly in winter)

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  • #40
    unkel
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    Just checked Autotrader and the cheapest battery owned Zoe (2015) is GBP11k LOL!

    That's almost BMW i3 money...

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  • #41
    Gumbi
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    That's quite a cheap option to be honest, especially if the battery is in good nick. Is there similar value to be had in 2013/2014 models? From what I've read, the Lizard battery has less degradation. The car will also be newer, so less mileage and so less wear on the battery meaning more range, which is ideal given the limited range on the Leaf as is.

    I think paying an extra ~2k might make it worth it in such a case, would you agree?


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  • #42
    beauf
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    There were a few older ones for 7-8k in Ireland a few weeks back. Seem to be all gone now. I assumed they were still there.

    Seem to be a lot of 2015-14 with very low mileage like under 10k (km) suddenly for sale. Dealer clearing old stocks? A lot don't mention battery ownership.

    Anyway they seem to be over priced now. I dunno is that just Ireland. They seem a lot more popular in Europe.


  • #43
    unkel
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    beauf wrote: »
    I dunno is that just Ireland. They seem a lot more popular in Europe.

    And tbh I don't know why they are so popular. Most of them on the continent are battery lease. Which makes the car sale proof and takes away from the monthly savings of having an EV.

    The new price here of the current 41kWh model is far too high, which doesn't help. It costs the same as a L40 or Ioniq, which are at least one full step up in terms of size, spec, refinement, performance, etc. The Zoe is just a Clio supermini for goodness sake! The 41kWh should be sold for around €20k on the road. Not close to €30k. I want to like the Zoe, I like its looks and I'd love to give one to my daughters when they are old enough to drive, but I find it difficult to like it with the pricing and the battery lease...

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  • #44
    deadduck
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    unkel wrote: »
    I'm pretty prudent with my money too :)

    I bought a brand new EV a bit over a year ago (for €25k) and if I sold it today, I would get almost all of my money back, even in a private sale. The car has cost me €0.00 in maintenance and about €30 in fuel over 17000km :D

    Is that a typo? €30 translates to 17000km?


  • #45
    tedpan
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    deadduck wrote:
    Is that a typo? €30 translates to 17000km?


    Free charging with about 15-20 home charges


  • #46
    deadduck
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    tedpan wrote: »
    Free charging with about 15-20 home charges

    Ah ok, that makes sense, thanks for clarifying :)


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