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  • #302
    upandcumming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    end of the road wrote: »
    agreed but at the end of the day, it's ultimately about practicality and problem management given travelers can, will, and do move around quite quickly where needed. the authorities can certainly do a hell of a lot better however, but that requires funding and resources which the government refuse to give them.

    What do you want the authorities to do?


  • #303
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    end of the road wrote: »
    agreed but at the end of the day, it's ultimately about practicality and problem management given travelers can, will, and do move around quite quickly where needed. the authorities can certainly do a hell of a lot better however, but that requires funding and resources which the government refuse to give them.


    Hold on..... what funds and resources do the guberment refuse????


  • #304
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    upandcumming wrote: »
    What do you want the authorities to do?

    enforce the laws of the land.
    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Hold on..... what funds and resources do the guberment refuse????

    funding and man-power so that the gards can fully enforce the laws of the land.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #305
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,721 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    So there are laws being broken?


  • #306
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    end of the road wrote: »
    enforce the laws of the land.


    funding and man-power so that the gards can fully enforce the laws of the land.

    I agree with you there but the problem is only worsened by our court system and prison service which is more so ran by criminals as they call a lot of shots.

    Tougher sentences and better protection to those that need it.

    Why oh why do we have to bale others out so much.
    If someone wants a house one should work for that right but here many have it wrong and see it as a fundamental right to have a forever home and not pay a cent to get it.


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  • #307
    Gunmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    end of the road wrote: »
    funding and man-power so that the gards can fully enforce the laws of the land.

    How about not having to deploy Gardaí at funerals in case it "kicks off"...surely there are better uses of their resources? Might be a start..right?

    But I suppose the whole concept of travellers tearing lumps out of each other with clubs and slash hooks at social gatherings has been foisted on them by us despicable settled folks....the dastards that we are! Muhahaha....

    *twirls moustache*


  • #308
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    I agree with you there but the problem is only worsened by our court system and prison service which is more so ran by criminals as they call a lot of shots.

    Tougher sentences and better protection to those that need it.

    agreed.
    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Why oh why do we have to bale others out so much.
    If someone wants a house one should work for that right but here many have it wrong and see it as a fundamental right to have a forever home and not pay a cent to get it.

    if people are not paying a cent for their homes they will be evicted. anyone in a home is paying for it whether it be mortgage, rent at market rates or subsidized rent, all will be paying something to a less or great extent. that's for a different thread though.
    Gunmonkey wrote: »
    How about not having to deploy Gardaí at funerals in case it "kicks off"...surely there are better uses of their resources? Might be a start..right?

    no . i'd imagine the gardai will have an idea of whether trouble will break out or not, so if they are at a funeral incase it kicks off, they are there for good reason
    Gunmonkey wrote: »
    But I suppose the whole concept of travellers tearing lumps out of each other with clubs and slash hooks at social gatherings has been foisted on them by us despicable settled folks....the dastards that we are!

    has it? i certainly have never heard this.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #309
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    end of the road wrote: »
    i'd imagine the gardai will have an idea of whether trouble will break out or not, so if they are at a funeral incase it kicks off, they are there for good reason

    If Gardai are required at Traveller funerals or weddings in case trouble breaks out, are they not being a little discriminatory and prejudicial?

    If you knew of a publican who became aware of these type of events described above i.e. the ones that need a Garda presence, would you blame said publican if he chose to shut up shop rather than accomodate them owing to the fact they require a police chaperone?


  • #310
    Stephen15
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    end of the road wrote: »
    agreed but at the end of the day, it's ultimately about practicality and problem management given travelers can, will, and do move around quite quickly where needed. the authorities can certainly do a hell of a lot better however, but that requires funding and resources which the government refuse to give them.

    What's needs to happen is travellers that break the law which is the vast majority of them need to be locked up. Can you name one good thing about travellers? Because I've never heard one good thing about them.


  • #311
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What's needs to happen is travellers that break the law which is the vast majority of them need to be locked up. Can you name one good thing about travellers? Because I've never heard one good thing about them.

    I work with a traveller , he's pretty good at his job.Third level education , good company too.

    How's that ?


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  • #312
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Omackeral wrote: »
    If Gardai are required at Traveller funerals or weddings in case trouble breaks out, are they not being a little discriminatory and prejudicial?

    If you knew of a publican who became aware of these type of events described above i.e. the ones that need a Garda presence, would you blame said publican if he chose to shut up shop rather than accomodate them owing to the fact they require a police chaperone?


    i would yes .
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What's needs to happen is travellers that break the law which is the vast majority of them need to be locked up. Can you name one good thing about travellers? Because I've never heard one good thing about them.

    there is no tangible proof the vast majority of travelers break the law. a number of them do, and yes they need to be locked up.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #313
    A Pint of Goo
    Site Banned Posts: 218 ✭✭A Pint of Goo


    end of the road wrote: »
    i would yes .



    there is no tangible proof the vast majority of travelers break the law. a number of them do, and yes they need to be locked up.

    Why would you blame the publican?

    The pub where I worked occasionally closed a day for renovations. Weird how it was always the same days when traveler funerals were taking place.


  • #314
    Stephen15
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    I work with a traveller , he's pretty good at his job.Third level education , good company too.

    How's that ?

    There's a rarity. Fair enough to him I guess.

    Personally I would like to see travellers integrate into regular settled society and abandon their backwards anti social lifestyle.


  • #315
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    There's a rarity. Fair enough to him I guess.

    Personally I would like to see travellers integrate into regular settled society and abandon their backwards anti social lifestyle.

    There's a couple of travellers who are Gardai nowadays and travellers serve occasionally in the army , they liked the five year contract.
    More and more travellers are working in the social care field too.

    I went to college with a traveller on day release .. he went on to complete his degree , finish his sentence and now works in his own community.


  • #316
    Stephen15
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    end of the road wrote: »
    there is no tangible proof the vast majority of travelers break the law. a number of them do, and yes they need to be locked up.

    And there is no evidence that they don't either. Having an 80% unemployment would suggest that a large percentage of them break the law.

    They have a stupid way of life why live in portacabin when you can in a house. It is a barbaric and cruel way to raise children who they don't send to school. I feel sorry for traveller children who have no choice but not to go to school and better their life but are forced into a life of crime due to lack of education.


  • #317
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    And there is no evidence that they don't either. Having an 80% unemployment would suggest that a large percentage of them break the law.

    They have a stupid way of life why live in portacabin when you can in a house. It is a barbaric and cruel way to raise children who they don't send to school. I feel sorry for traveller children who have no choice but not to go to school and better their life but are forced into a life of crime due to lack of education.

    Traveller children are attending school in much higher rates , I think every primary school has a traveller liason officer now.


  • #318
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,659 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Traveller children are attending school in much higher rates , I think every primary school has a traveller liason officer now.

    Its a pity the Dept of Education has to employ X number of 'traveller liaison officers' now to get people to send their kids to school.


  • #319
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    80% unemployment would suggest that a large percentage of them break the law.

    being unemployed isn't in itself a suggestion that one is or will be a criminal. there is a good percentage of criminality in the traveling community but being unemployed will not automatically corelate to being a criminal.
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    why live in portacabin when you can in a house.

    perhapse because it's cheap? i think people living in portacabins may become more common in decades to come unless we get to grips with our housing problems.
    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its a pity the Dept of Education has to employ X number of 'traveller liaison officers' now to get people to send their kids to school.

    sure, but if it works then it's better it's done then not.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #320
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its a pity the Dept of Education has to employ X number of 'traveller liaison officers' now to get people to send their kids to school.

    They're not 'extra' staff , they are still teachers teaching.Nor are they getting people to send kids to school.

    What's happening is that younger generations are actively enrolling and sending their kids to school .


  • #321
    Gunmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    end of the road wrote: »
    no . i'd imagine the gardai will have an idea of whether trouble will break out or not, so if they are at a funeral incase it kicks off, they are there for good reason

    has it? i certainly have never heard this.

    But you lament the Gardaí not getting resources, while then saying its fine if they have too babysit traveller funerals! My argument is why should they be there to prevent it "kicking off" in the first place?

    What cause is there for the high levels of anti-social violence surrounding traveller funerals/weddings/christenings/any moment more than 10 are gathered in one area? As you responded to my claim it was the settled people who foist these actions on them....its apparently not!

    This is purely on the travelling community to resolve, and it only damages their image and the reinforces negative reactions from the settled community every time it "kicks off", as well as draining the already stretched Gardaí resources.

    If they want better treatment from the settled community...its a two-way street, this kind of nonsense cannot continue if they want fair treatment.


    P.S. "feuds" is not a viable answer for these actions!


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  • #322
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Gunmonkey wrote: »
    But you lament the Gardaí not getting resources, while then saying its fine if they have too babysit traveller funerals! My argument is why should they be there to prevent it "kicking off" in the first place?

    What cause is there for the high levels of anti-social violence surrounding traveller funerals/weddings/christenings/any moment more than 10 are gathered in one area? As you responded to my claim it was the settled people who foist these actions on them....its apparently not!

    This is purely on the travelling community to resolve, and it only damages their image and the reinforces negative reactions from the settled community every time it "kicks off", as well as draining the already stretched Gardaí resources.

    If they want better treatment from the settled community...its a two-way street, this kind of nonsense cannot continue if they want fair treatment.


    P.S. "feuds" is not a viable answer for these actions!


    if they want fair treatment they will get it, as they are entitled to it whether it be via society waking up, or more laws to try and force the issue. the nonsense, already has avenues open to deal with it, and therefore it's a separate issue to the settled community's obligation to treat travelers as they would other fellow settled community members.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #323
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    You said;
    end of the road wrote: »
    if they (the Gardai) are at a funeral incase it kicks off, they are there for good reason

    To which I replied;
    Omackeral wrote: »
    If you knew of a publican who became aware of these type of events described above i.e. the ones that need a Garda presence, would you blame said publican if he chose to shut up shop rather than accomodate them owing to the fact they require a police chaperone?

    And you answered;
    end of the road wrote: »
    i would yes .

    How?!?! Gardai are required because they know trouble is expected, you yourself admit they're needed. But then you say you'd blame the publican if he shut his place up because he doesn't want to serve people who require a garda presence!? It's contradictory or else it's head in the sand.


  • #324
    Gunmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    end of the road wrote: »
    if they want fair treatment they will get it, as they are entitled to it whether it be via society waking up, or more laws to try and force the issue. the nonsense, already has avenues open to deal with it, and therefore it's a separate issue to the settled community's obligation to treat travelers as they would other fellow settled community members.

    Is it actually hard for you to answer a question? Why do a lot of traveller social gatherings end in brawls?


  • #325
    [Deleted User]
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    end of the road wrote: »
    if they want fair treatment they will get it, as they are entitled to it whether it be via society waking up, or more laws to try and force the issue. the nonsense, already has avenues open to deal with it, and therefore it's a separate issue to the settled community's obligation to treat travelers as they would other fellow settled community members.

    If Traveller's gave up the potentially lethal sulky racing on our national roads it would be a good start at bridging community relations. If they cut out the unregulated bare-knuckle boxing with minors present, it would be a good start too. There's two words I'm gonna use and I know some people don't like them but they need to exercise some personal responsibility themselves.


  • #326
    Dr Brown
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    Gunmonkey wrote: »
    Why do a lot of traveller social gatherings end in brawls?

    Because its part of their "culture".


  • #327
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Gunmonkey wrote: »
    Is it actually hard for you to answer a question? Why do a lot of traveller social gatherings end in brawls?


    how would i know. perhapse ask any travelers you may know that question. i'm certainly not going to know why a lot of traveller social gatherings end in brawls.
    Omackeral wrote: »
    If Traveller's gave up the potentially lethal sulky racing on our national roads it would be a good start at bridging community relations. If they cut out the unregulated bare-knuckle boxing with minors present, it would be a good start too. There's two words I'm gonna use and I know some people don't like them but they need to exercise some personal responsibility themselves.

    agreed but it's separate to the treatment they receive, which they are not responsible for. the one dishing out the bad treatment to people simply because of their creed, race, skin colour, sexuality, ethnicity etc, is the one responsible for that as far as i'm concerned.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #328
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    end of the road wrote: »
    agreed but it's separate to the treatment they receive, which they are not responsible for. the one dishing out the bad treatment to people simply because of their creed, race, skin colour, sexuality, ethnicity etc, is the one responsible for that as far as i'm concerned.

    When they hijack public roads that I drive on with my family for these wreckless and illegal sulky races, they're earning the less favourable treatment. You're forever on about Gardai needing to enforce the law, some of these tramps seem to think they're above it. Watch this disgusting and brazen display of them openly disregarding the law. If I was a motorist with young kids in my car on this road, my estimation of this ''culture'' would go down drastically. They're to blame in this instance and nobody else.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=514vzUg1mWQ


  • #329
    demanufactured
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Omackeral wrote: »
    When they hijack public roads that I drive on with my family for these wreckless and illegal sulky races, they're earning the less favourable treatment. You're forever on about Gardai needing to enforce the law, some of these tramps seem to think they're above it. Watch this disgusting and brazen display of them openly disregarding the law. If I was a motorist with young kids in my car on this road, my estimation of this ''culture'' would go down drastically. They're to blame in this instance and nobody else.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=514vzUg1mWQ

    Vermin


  • #330
    NIMAN
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    That is shocking footage for sure.


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  • #331
    erica74
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    80% unemployment and posters are saying that doesn't automatically mean they're engaging in criminal activity... Seriously?! This thread is great just for the comedic value.
    I mean I know the taxpayer basically covers a lot of traveller expenses... but...


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