8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

07-05-2018 11:35PM

bubblypop wrote: »

i presume you have some statistics / link to prove that abortion in England is bringing in sharia law?
abortion is legal since the 1960's I believe in England.
muslims also have a much more liberal view of abortion than Catholics.

If its anything like the abortion is a communist plot link they provided in another thread hold onto your seat.

Sofiztikated · 07-05-2018 11:36PM

indy_man wrote: »

I said its helping to being Sharia law to England, no doubt it will have other negative benefits here over time, one being an ageing population and no one to pay pensions.

So we're back to denying women treatment, and enforced pregnancies to pay pensions.

Yeah, those mussys are the scary ones, what with them treating women like property, but we have fine upstanding people like yourself doing all you can to keep them safe.

**** sake.

07-05-2018 11:37PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Right so far we have:

- Horrific misogynistic views of women
- establishment of "rape" committees
- vasectomies
- forced hysterectomies
- forced birth so the babies can grow up and pay people's pensions
- repealing the 8th in Ireland helps bring Sharia Law to England

I don't even know what to say anymore so I'll just respond to the above with a nice gif that I may have used already, sorry!

You'll also have to add communists and Wicca to the list.

robarmstrong · 07-05-2018 11:39PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

You'll also have to add communists and Wicca to the list.

What's next like?

"No the dinosaurs were not wiped out by a meteor, they were introduced to abortion on demand."

Seems like it's heading that way.

Sofiztikated · 07-05-2018 11:43PM

January wrote: »

Someone give that man a trophy. Its the most far fetched reason for not repealing the 8th I've ever read. Ever.

Ah now, RobertKK brought it up a while ago as well, so Indy man isn't being original.

He never mentioned it again, so I can only assume that once it was pointed out, he quickly dialled it back as he copped how atrocious it sounded to halfway normal people.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-05-2018 11:44PM

indy_man wrote: »

One thing which came into my mind from an earlier post was the repercussions from Abortion being legal in Ireland, I thought of where England is heading partly because of their extremely liberal abortion policy. Sharia Law! The English population is dwindling but the Muslim population is growing at a rapid rate. Some Imans have declared this fact a miracle from Allah. Yes Sharia Law in our lifetimes all because we want more and more choice.

I live in the uk, I rarely see an indian/Pakistani never mind a fully fledged "Muslim " Demanding sharia law!

Take your blatant racial comments to another thread kiddo, this is not the place for it.

07-05-2018 11:50PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

What's next like?

"No the dinosaurs were not wiped out by a meteor, they were introduced to abortion on demand."

Seems like it's heading that way.

I would be surprised as I heard someone during the SSM referendum state we couldn't allow it to happen because homosexualality cause the dinosaurs to become extinct not a meteor, and there are sites claiming this.
If true the next Jurassic Park movie is going to be interesting.

robarmstrong · 07-05-2018 11:52PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

I would be surprised as I heard someone during the SSM referendum state we couldn't allow it to happen because homosexualality cause the dinosaurs to become extinct not a meteor, and there are sites claiming this.

Well that's obviously what happened, haven't you ever heard of the great gay dinosaur, the Megasoreass?*

*/sarcasm

Wrongway1985 · 07-05-2018 11:56PM

indy_man wrote: »

Sharia Law! The English population is dwindling but the Muslim population is growing at a rapid rate. Some Imans have declared this fact a miracle from Allah. Yes Sharia Law in our lifetimes all because we want more and more choice.

...

...Am...do you get out much?

07-05-2018 11:56PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Well that's obviously what happened, haven't you ever heard of the great gay dinosaur, the Megasoreass?*

*/sarcasm

Jurassic Mountain?

Stop to many jokes already popping into my head and I've to be in the airport in four hours, I won't sleep from laughing.

08-05-2018 12:01AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Ah now, RobertKK brought it up a while ago as well, so Indy man isn't being original.

He never mentioned it again, so I can only assume that once it was pointed out, he quickly dialled it back as he copped how atrocious it sounded to halfway normal people.

Backed up by evidence I assume or another swing and a miss?

Timberrrrrrrr · 08-05-2018 12:01AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

I would be surprised as I heard someone during the SSM referendum state we couldn't allow it to happen because homosexualality cause the dinosaurs to become extinct not a meteor, and there are sites claiming this.
If true the next Jurassic Park movie is going to be interesting.

Jur(nice)ASSic park

Sofiztikated · 08-05-2018 12:09AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Backed up by evidence I assume or another swing and a miss?

Guess.

08-05-2018 12:13AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Guess.

Ah well had to ask.

08-05-2018 12:15AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Jur(nice)ASSic park

Not bad but hard to see it on the movie poster

applehunter · 08-05-2018 12:24AM

News of latest polls reach base camp.

RobertKK · 08-05-2018 12:28AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Ah now, RobertKK brought it up a while ago as well, so Indy man isn't being original.

He never mentioned it again, so I can only assume that once it was pointed out, he quickly dialled it back as he copped how atrocious it sounded to halfway normal people.

I never mentioned Sharia Law. You are just making up things at this point.

RobertKK · 08-05-2018 12:31AM

Bruce Arnold did an article on the referendum, he said the government rushed the legislation and didn't take into account the Supreme court ruling that the 8th amendment is the only legal right to life the unborn have.
He goes into how this rushed referendum is full of flaws.

He also brought up the effect of abortion on populations.
https://www.frontpage.org/ie/different-voice/the-devil-in-the-small-print/

Also unborn human life to have less protections than some animal and bird life. which includes the unborn lives of some protected wildlife.

If there were no remaining constitutional rights of the unborn, could effective rights be created by ordinary legislation? The effect of the proposed amendment would be to reduce the legal status of the unborn to that of an unprotected species of animal. Indeed, wildlife legislation, backed by EU directives, would give the unborn of some species of wildlife a distinctly greater protection than that available to an unborn human being in Ireland.

robarmstrong · 08-05-2018 12:32AM

RobertKK wrote: »

You are just making up things at this point.

Like you making up that most women of the 97% who have abortions on grounds of mental health are actually just doing it for career moves or lifestyle choices?

RobertKK · 08-05-2018 12:35AM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Like you making up that most women of the 97% who have abortions on grounds of mental health are actually just doing it for career moves or lifestyle choices?

The mental health grounds has allowed unrestricted abortions up to 24 weeks, do you disagree with that.
So were some of these 'her story' or whatever they were called lies as some went to England and not based on mental health problems.

robarmstrong · 08-05-2018 12:40AM

RobertKK wrote: »

The mental health grounds has allowed unrestricted abortions up to 24 weeks, do you disagree with that.

I do agree with it. Mental health is a serious issue that should not be downplayed by people with a mindset such as your own.

RobertKK wrote: »

So were some of these 'her story' or whatever they were called lies as some went to England and not based on mental health problems.

How were they lies? You've gone from "most" women now to "some" women.

Have you any evidence to suggest that "most women" (as you put it) of those 97% who abort on grounds of mental health issue do it purely for the purposes of career moves/lifestyle choice, yes or no Bob, it really is that simple, either you do have evidence, factual evidence you can provide in the form of statistics suggesting a majority (that's what most is sure) of these women abort for the reasons you suggest, or you do not have factual evidence and you are telling porkie pies again.

Which is it?

The_Brood · 08-05-2018 12:40AM

amcalester wrote: »

Expect that a fetus isn’t a baby.

It is a human life.

It is not a rock, it is a developing life that if left uninterpreted will result in a baby.

It is not a dog, it is not a dinosaur, it is human.

It is a human life.

Sofiztikated · 08-05-2018 12:43AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I never mentioned Sharia Law. You are just making up things at this point.

No, RobertKK, I'm not.

I was referring to enforced pregnancies to pay pensions, and never mentioned sharia law.

I can go and find it, if you want.

SusieBlue · 08-05-2018 12:45AM

The_Brood wrote: »

It is a human life.

It is not a rock, it is a developing life that if left uninterpreted will result in a baby.

It is not a dog, it is not a dinosaur, it is human.

It is a human life.

No one is disputing that.
But it isn’t a baby. And it shouldn’t be afforded any rights at the expense of the living citizen carrying it.

sabat · 08-05-2018 12:47AM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Like you making up that most women of the 97% who have abortions on grounds of mental health are actually just doing it for career moves or lifestyle choices?

So you don't find it just a little bit worrying that almost 200,000 women in the UK every year are so perturbed by the idea of giving birth that they decide to get rid of the baby? Is that not a national health crisis in its own right?

RobertKK · 08-05-2018 12:48AM

robarmstrong wrote: »

I do agree with it. Mental health is a serious issue that should not be downplayed by people with a mindset such as your own.

How were they lies? You've gone from "most" women now to "some" women.

Have you any evidence to suggest that "most women" (as you put it) of those 97% who abort on grounds of mental health issue do it purely for the purposes of career moves/lifestyle choice, yes or no Bob, it really is that simple, either you do have evidence, factual evidence you can provide in the form of statistics suggesting a majority (that's what most is sure) of these women abort for the reasons you suggest, or you do not have factual evidence and you are telling porkie pies again.

Which is it?

Of course and some women are pressured into abortion due to their careers.

Former All Saints starlet Nicole Appleton has revealed she was forced to abort singer Robbie Williams' baby due to pressure from her record company.

New Weekly has reported the startling revelation which features in her forthcoming autobiography Together, co-written with her sister and All Saints member Natalie. Williams, who was her fiance at the time, desperately wanted to keep the baby, she said, adding that the abortion almost drove her to suicide.

Appleton claims that her record company executives and bandmate Shaznay Lewis were incensed about her pregnancy in 1998, when All Saints were at the peak of success. They threatened her and organised the termination, which she describes as "the worst day of my life".

"I was horrified, violated by what I felt was the power of an industry that leads a woman to sacrifice her child to keep a band together," she writes in the book. "What mattered was our success and our ability to make money."

Even Appleton's sister Natalie was convinced by their record company that terminating the pregnancy would be the best path for the future of the band.

In the end, overwhelmed by the pressure, Nicole gave in to her record company's demands when she was four months' pregnant. She remained awake throughout the procedure and remembered seeing her child on the scanning equipment.

"I wanted to shout 'No, No!' But it seemed impossible. Suddenly, horribly, I realised, with a clarity that rocked my entire body, what had happened. My baby had gone. I fainted," she says in the autobiography.

Appleton now shares a son, Gene, with Oasis star Liam Gallagher, and the couple are said to be engaged to be married.

Williams was said to have been devastated by the ordeal. He reportedly told Appleton that the baby would save his life and give him a reason to fight his addictions to drink and drugs. He is even said to have decorated a nursery for the child and picked the name Grace in case it turned out to be a girl.

Appleton and Williams ended their relationship in January 1999.

https://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/09/1034061257016.html

SusieBlue · 08-05-2018 12:50AM

sabat wrote: »

So you don't find it just a little bit worrying that almost 200,000 women in the UK every year are so perturbed by the idea of giving birth that decide to get rid of the baby? Is that not a national health crisis in its own right?

Do you think the alternative, which would be forcing them to go through with a pregnancy and impending motherhood that they do not want, to be better?

Would you say putting a woman into a corner like that is in the best interests of either herself or an innocent baby?

You are over simplifying it with your whole notion of being ‘perturbed by the idea of giving birth’. These women aren’t seeking abortions because they’re afraid of the labor and birthing process.

robarmstrong · 08-05-2018 12:50AM

sabat wrote: »

So you don't find it just a little bit worrying that almost 200,000 women in the UK every year are so perturbed by the idea of giving birth that they decide to get rid of the baby? Is that not a national health crisis in its own right?

Are all of them so perturbed by the idea of giving birth? I see no indication of such.

I see 97% of abortions being done on grounds of danger to mental health, depression & suicide runs rampant throughout society today along with a big batch of other mental illnesses, I'm just not so close-minded to assume that all of these women are aborting because they just are so "perturbed by the idea of giving birth", as that is ridiculously misogynistic and blatantly disrespectful to women full stop.

bootpaws · 08-05-2018 12:51AM

The_Brood wrote: »

It is a human life.

It is not a rock, it is a developing life that if left uninterpreted will result in a baby.

It is not a dog, it is not a dinosaur, it is human.

It is a human life.

You seem to be answering a question nobody asked. At 12 weeks, it is not a baby, and that is a fact.

In your own words, if left uninterrupted it will, over the course of 9 months, develop into one. That’s never been the discussion.

If a woman, within a certain timeframe before the foetus has a brain or developed nervous system, decides to interrupt that development because she needs to, then that is her decision and her business.

What is your point?

fritzelly · 08-05-2018 12:53AM

RobertKK wrote: »

He also brought up the effect of abortion on populations.
https://www.frontpage.org/ie/different-voice/the-devil-in-the-small-print/

Oooh surprise - a website run by an anti abortion supporter

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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