African gang beat the sh*t out of two gardai with a baseball bat.

Billy86 · 07-05-2018 06:08PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

I would just get rid of it. The Irish people were never asked if they wanted to give half a billion in foreign aid while we have a homeless crisis and our health service is falling apart.

So when we decide to leave the EU, UN and so on... what happens to our economy, and what is your alternative for it not completely tanking and making the homeless crisis much worse while crippling our health services?

I never said they did but they do send back Irish criminals and in some cases revoke US citizenship.

When was the last time you heard of Irish citizenship been revoked ?

That is exactly what you said:

Nettle soup: What if they were born in Eire? Deport them where?
You: Whatever country their parents came from.

So since this would mean the US, UK, Australia and all the other corners of the world we're famous for having descendants of ours in, it would mean them all being sent to Ireland for prison time. This would see our prison population skyrocket, and would do unbelievable damage to our economy trying to sustain it.

Dr Brown · 07-05-2018 06:29PM

Billy86 wrote: »

So when we decide to leave the EU, UN and so on... what happens to our economy, and what is your alternative for it not completely tanking and making the homeless crisis much worse while crippling our health services?

The aid budget was slashed by 30% during the crash and the sky didn't fall in.

It is not Ireland's job to look after other countries especially when we have our own problems.

That is exactly what you said:

Nettle soup: What if they were born in Eire? Deport them where?
You: Whatever country their parents came from.

So since this would mean the US, UK, Australia and all the other corners of the world we're famous for having descendants of ours in, it would mean them all being sent to Ireland for prison time. This would see our prison population skyrocket, and would do unbelievable damage to our economy trying to sustain it.

I'm talking about what Ireland should do not other countries.

You seem to think that if Ireland brings in X law then the US, UK and Australia will automatically follow.

Billy86 · 07-05-2018 06:34PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The aid budget was slashed by 30% during the crash and the sky didn't fall in.

It is not Ireland's job to look after other countries especially when we have our own problems.

It is, otherwise the world goes to sh*te. You don't get "one rule for me, one for everyone else" when we've relied massively on foreign aid for so much of our existence, because "f*** you I got mine" might be a fun attitude to have in your every day like, but does not work in global politics.

So after leaving these bodies, what would your next move be? I mean we'd be screwed financially far, far worse than 2008 especially with less/no EU access so I would hope you have a strong framework in mind to replace these.

I'm talking about what Ireland should do not other countries.

You seem to think that if Ireland brings in X law then the US, UK and Australia will automatically follow.

If Ireland started doing it to other countries, other countries would start doing it to Ireland. Again, this concept of "one rule for me, one for everyone else" simply doesn't work, especially when like Ireland you don't have any real clout to begin with.

Dr Brown · 07-05-2018 06:48PM

Billy86 wrote: »

It is, otherwise the world goes to sh*te. You don't get "one rule for me, one for everyone else" when we've relied massively on foreign aid for so much of our existence, because "f*** you I got mine" might be a fun attitude to have in your every day like, but does not work in global politics.

So after leaving these bodies, what would your next move be? I mean we'd be screwed financially far, far worse than 2008 especially with less/no EU access so I would hope you have a strong framework in mind to replace these.

My point was about getting rid of foreign aid not leaving any particular body.

Its not about "f**king" anybody its simple common sense like getting our house in order before we help other people.

When the economy crashed in 2008 we should of at the very least suspended all foreign aid payments.

The fact that we were borrowing money to pay foreign aid when the country was almost bankrupt was complete insanity.

If Ireland started doing it to other countries, other countries would start doing it to Ireland. Again, this concept of "one rule for me, one for everyone else" simply doesn't work, especially when like Ireland you don't have any real clout to begin with.

So let them every country should look out for its own interests.

Billy86 · 07-05-2018 06:52PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

My point was about getting rid of foreign aid not leaving any particular body.

Its not about "f**king" anybody its simple common sense like getting our house in order before we help other people.

When the economy crashed in 2008 we should of at the very least suspended all foreign aid payments.

The fact that we were borrowing money to pay foreign aid when the country was almost bankrupt was complete insanity.

See, this is what I said about it not being so simple and you not appearing to have thought it through. You don't get to just stop contributing to these bodies while continuing to be a member because you don't want to spend anything.

To do so, we will need to leave some of these bodies. And when we do that, what would your plan for not entirely tanking the economy back to a state where we need lots of foreign aid be?

So let them every country should look out for its own interests.

Great, so when our prison population goes from around 4,000 to over 100,000 how do you suggest we fund this?

Galwayguy35 · 07-05-2018 06:58PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I see we've dropped all pretence and are just blaming "the blacks" now.

Well in cases where they are causing the trouble yes they should be blamed.

wexie · 07-05-2018 06:59PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Its not about "f**king" anybody its simple common sense like getting our house in order before we help other people.

When the economy crashed in 2008 we should of at the very least suspended all foreign aid payments.

The fact that we were borrowing money to pay foreign aid when the country was almost bankrupt was complete insanity.

If it was really as easy as deciding to stop paying don't you think that that would have been the perfect time to do so?

So why do you think that didn't happen?

Could it be Billy is on to something and that the consequences would have been so bad it was worth to continue the foreign aid?

Galwayguy35 · 07-05-2018 06:59PM

Greyling wrote: »

Ask a stupid question...

That's some comeback there all right.

wexie · 07-05-2018 07:01PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Great, so when our prison population goes from around 4,000 to over 100,000 how do you suggest we fund this?

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A Pint of Goo · 07-05-2018 07:47PM

Came across an inscription of the 1916 proclamation in the park today. Really hits home that these people did not die for African (or any foreign) freeloaders.

_Kaiser_ · 07-05-2018 08:05PM

If not born here and involved in serious crime, try them and if convicted, send em back to their country of origin. No reason the taxpayer should continue to pay for some other country's problems.

If they were born here, try them and if convicted, imprison them. None of this suspended sentence nonsense

Our country, our laws... I don't give a crap what skin colour they are or what their background is, but I care even less about the hand-wringing virtue-signalling snowflakes crying "racism" any time incidents like the OP are called out.

Captain Obvious · 07-05-2018 08:06PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

If not born here and involved in serious crime, try them and if convicted, send em back to their country of origin. No reason the taxpayer should continue to pay for some other country's problems.

If they were born here, try them and if convicted, imprison them. None of this suspended sentence nonsense

Our country, our laws... I don't give a crap what skin colour they are or what their background is, but I care even less about the hand-wringing virtue-signalling snowflakes crying "racism" any time incidents like the OP are called out.

Show one post that goes against your first two paragraphs. And if you don't think a poster calling out "the blacks" as a problem is racist I think you fundamentally misunderstand the word.

RasTa · 07-05-2018 08:10PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not so easy when driving and then I'd be done.

I have 4 photos of the time on the quays in town.
Obviously not posting them up here but I have them stored if any further problems.

The skinny rasta dude? Drug dealers don't tend to stand out that much

A Pint of Goo · 07-05-2018 08:13PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Show one post that goes against your first two paragraphs. And if you don't think a poster calling out "the blacks" as a problem is racist I think you fundamentally misunderstand the word.

How is calling out black scumbags racist? What is this obsession you liberals have with this word 'racist'? Do you seriously believe you can silence people by calling them racist?

punisher5112 · 07-05-2018 08:15PM

RasTa wrote: »

The skinny rasta dude? Drug dealers don't tend to stand out that much

No he out in Bray. He wears that Rasta hat but is at drugs also.

Tigger · 07-05-2018 08:15PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

A lot of geniuses saying the Africans doing criminal offences should be deported. What if they were born in Eire? Deport them where?

What’s a eria

Captain Obvious · 07-05-2018 08:16PM

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

How is calling out black scumbags racist? What is this obsession you liberals have with this word 'racist'?

Because it implies some difference between white and black scumbags. I'd have thought that was obvious.

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

Do you seriously believe you can silence people by calling them racist?

I don't want to silence anyone. I'm more than happy to let people show their real selves.

A Pint of Goo · 07-05-2018 08:19PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Because it implies some difference between white and black scumbags. I'd have thought that was obvious.

I don't want to silence anyone. I'm more than happy to let people show their real selves.

Black people who behave like scum are scum. But oh no we must never mention skin colour, we're supposed to be colourblind (even though that concept is racist itself or so I'm told).

Sorry Stalin you can't use your magical superword to silence people.

biko · 07-05-2018 08:19PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

A lot of geniuses saying the Africans doing criminal offences should be deported. What if they were born in Eire? Deport them where?

The country of their parents, who also will be deported.
You only have deport a few families for the rest of the criminals to get the message.

If a country cannot be determined because of "no documentation" then deport to Central African Republic and let them find their home from there themselves.

_Kaiser_ · 07-05-2018 08:22PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Because it implies some difference between white and black scumbags. I'd have thought that was obvious.

Identifying a bunch of criminals as a "black gang" isn't racist if it's factual. Context and intent is everything... something conveniently ignored by those who rush to be offended.

I don't want to silence anyone. I'm more than happy to let people show their real selves.

If not wanting violent criminal African gangs operating here and assaulting people makes me a racist, then so be it.. and the last thing I'd be concerned about is the opinion of some middle-class virtue-signalling do-gooder on the Internet.

Billy86 · 07-05-2018 08:28PM

biko wrote: »

The country of their parents, who also will be deported.
You only have deport a few families for the rest of the criminals to get the message.

Getting beyond the point that you're calling for people to be punished for being related to criminals, what would your next move be when those countries tell us to f*** off, as these people (the criminal, not the parents) were not born there, do not live there, and may have never even visited there?

And what would you do with regards to funding the 100,000+ criminals sent here from the US, UK, and just about every corner of the world due to their Irish heritage?

EDIT: Actually having seen your edited line at the end, it's probably safe to assume you're taking the piss.

Captain Obvious · 07-05-2018 08:38PM

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

Black people who behave like scum are scum. But oh no we must never mention skin colour, we're supposed to be colourblind (even though that concept is racist itself or so I'm told).

Sorry Stalin you can't use your magical superword to silence people.

How is their skin colour relevant?

biko wrote: »

The country of their parents, who also will be deported.
You only have deport a few families for the rest of the criminals to get the message.

If a country cannot be determined because of "no documentation" then deport to Central African Republic and let them find their home from there themselves.

I think you'd fit in well in North Korea.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Identifying a bunch of criminals as a "black gang" isn't racist if it's factual. Context and intent is everything... something conveniently ignored by those who rush to be offended.

Their skin colour is irrelevant. But the phrase used wasn't "black gangs" it was "the blacks".

Dr Brown · 07-05-2018 09:33PM

wexie wrote: »

If it was really as easy as deciding to stop paying don't you think that that would have been the perfect time to do so?

So why do you think that didn't happen?

Could it be Billy is on to something and that the consequences would have been so bad it was worth to continue the foreign aid?

It didn't happen because our government is just too PC.

Dr Brown · 07-05-2018 09:37PM

Billy86 wrote: »

See, this is what I said about it not being so simple and you not appearing to have thought it through. You don't get to just stop contributing to these bodies while continuing to be a member because you don't want to spend anything.

To do so, we will need to leave some of these bodies. And when we do that, what would your plan for not entirely tanking the economy back to a state where we need lots of foreign aid be?

Great, so when our prison population goes from around 4,000 to over 100,000 how do you suggest we fund this?

You sound like one of these anti brexit people who claim the sky would fall in if people voted for brexit.

Put me in charge of the government and I would cut foreign aid overnight and I guarantee you it would be popular with the public.

wexie · 07-05-2018 09:37PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

It didn't happen because our government is just too PC.

right...you keep telling yourself that

wexie · 07-05-2018 09:38PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Put me in charge of the government and I would cut foreign aid overnight and I guarantee you it would be popular with the public.

Would indeed, right up to the point where people starting seeing the consequences of becoming international pariahs over night.

Dr Brown · 07-05-2018 09:40PM

wexie wrote: »

right...you keep telling yourself that

Also don't forget there is a lot of corruption tied up in foreign aid our government are probably getting kick backs from it.

Dr Brown · 07-05-2018 09:42PM

wexie wrote: »

Would indeed, right up to the point where people starting seeing the consequences of becoming international pariahs over night.

Pariah in the eyes of who ? The US is cutting their aid budget and nobody is complaining.

corner of hells · 07-05-2018 09:45PM

Supposin' we did decide to deport people back to thier country of origin and as the plane comes in to land , the air traffic controller says " feck of Paddy , you're not landing here with that shower " , what should we do ?

corner of hells · 07-05-2018 09:46PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Also don't forget there is a lot of corruption tied up in foreign aid our government are probably getting kick backs from it.

Our president probably is too

African gang beat the sh*t out of two gardai with a baseball bat.

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