Irish church scandal: ‘priest' desecrates altar with gay sex acts(Fake or real news)

ChikiChiki · 06-05-2018 06:58PM

fin12 wrote: »

Have you ever heard of people being asexual? It’s pretty natural for them.

I don't think the asexual priests are the problem. Im sure them guys have no problem being celibate.

One eyed Jack · 06-05-2018 07:02PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

What purpose does it serve other than a job requirement? Celibacy is unnatural and I'd say in the case of priests and the Catholic Church has done multitudes more harm than good.

Celibacy may well be unnatural by your standards, but by the standards expected of the clergy, it's certainly not unnatural, and in the cases of priests and the Catholic Church, it's not their decision to remain celibate has done any harm, the harm was done by the few members of the clergy who chose to violate their vows of celibacy and chastity and inflict themselves upon vulnerable children.

ChikiChiki · 06-05-2018 07:07PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Celibacy may well be unnatural by your standards, but by the standards expected of the clergy, it's certainly not unnatural, and in the cases of priests and the Catholic Church, it's not their decision to remain celibate has done any harm, the harm was done by the few members of the clergy who chose to violate their vows of celibacy and chastity and inflict themselves upon vulnerable children.

"by the standards expected of the clergy" = still unnatural. The church shouldn't have a say on restricting a humans natural instincts. Its controlling.

EdgeCase · 06-05-2018 07:07PM

You can't argue that one causes the other, but I would argue that is is part of something that paints normal sexuality as something 'filthy' and 'sinful' that you most certainly create a very warped view.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-05-2018 07:10PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Celibacy may well be unnatural by your standards, but by the standards expected of the clergy, it's certainly not unnatural, and in the cases of priests and the Catholic Church, it's not their decision to remain celibate has done any harm, the harm was done by the few members of the clergy who chose to violate their vows of celibacy and chastity and inflict themselves upon vulnerable children.

Priests in the RC church were not celibate for longer in history than they have been celibate. The harm is manifold. We have lost many good priests because of the celibacy rules. Men have not taken up the calling due to it. We have a weaker church and one too removed from the lives of the laity because of it. It's an unnatural archaic rule that made celibacy mandatory throughout the church in the 11th century.

freshpopcorn · 06-05-2018 07:10PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

"by the standards expected of the clergy" = still unnatural. The church shouldn't have a say on restricting a humans natural instincts. Its controlling.

No one is forcing people to enter a life of celibacy they choose to!

fin12 · 06-05-2018 07:10PM

EdgeCase wrote: »

And, all priests, nuns and other catholic clergy / religious subject to celibacy laws are naturally asexual?

That really doesn't add up.

The rule was introduced to prevent children of clergy inheriting church property originally btw and subsequently became immeshed into he job description for some reason.

It just plays into a very strange view of sexuality.

I don't really think you any organisations should be able to require that of their staff.

And of course it's not voluntary. If they cross the line on that they're facing being thrown out of their job, losing their income and probably their pension, being shunned by their community and colleagues / peers.

So, it is de facto forced.

Well obviously they are not seeing as all the scandals in the church and paedophill priests. I’ll say it again like plenty others have said they choose to become a priest or nun therefore it’s not forced on them.

fin12 · 06-05-2018 07:13PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

"by the standards expected of the clergy" = still unnatural. The church shouldn't have a say on restricting a humans natural instincts. Its controlling.

Why do you keep saying it’s unnatural. That’s ur opinion. Celibacy for some people is very natural.

Galwayguy35 · 06-05-2018 07:32PM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I think the majority of priests/bishops are dirty animals. A friend of mine was married by a pedo priest in ballyfermot many years ago. He's still traumatized by it to this day.

A lot of scandals has come out over the years, especially in Dublin but to this day in rural Ireland where the Catholic church still rules I can only imagine what they (priests) are still up to.

You clearly don't know a lot about rural Ireland in 2018 if you think the church still rules us.

DubInTheWest · 06-05-2018 08:11PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

You clearly don't know a lot about rural Ireland in 2018 if you think the church still rules us.

I'm living in the west of Ireland the past few years and I have some great friends who are living rural. In every single house I've been in, there are pictures of Jesus etc... and every single person I know are staunchly church goers. When they talk about the local priest it's 'father this and father that.) So yes the Church rules in rural Ireland. I actually know a few priests here too as I come into contact with them unfortunately with my job and they are nosy oul cnuts.

I don't mean to offend you in the slightest. It was like that in the whole of Ireland in the past. They are just getting less and less power (the church), thankfully.

Galwayguy35 · 06-05-2018 08:19PM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I'm living in the west of Ireland the past few years and I have some great friends who are living rural. In every single house I've been in, there are pictures of Jesus etc... and every single person I know are staunchly church goers. When they talk about the local priest it's 'father this and father that.) So yes the Church rules in rural Ireland. I actually know a few priests here too as I come into contact with them unfortunately with my job and they are nosy oul cnuts.

I don't mean to offend you in the slightest. It was like that in the whole of Ireland in the past. They are just getting less and less power (the church), thankfully.

I'm not offended.

But I'm not getting how people having a religious picture in their house or the fact that they go to Mass makes you think people are being ruled by the clergy.

30 years ago you would have had a point but I'm not seeing it now.

The church will always have an opinion on things but everyone else is free to disagree with them and do the exact opposite.

freshpopcorn · 06-05-2018 08:23PM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I'm living in the west of Ireland the past few years and I have some great friends who are living rural. In every single house I've been in, there are pictures of Jesus etc... and every single person I know are staunchly church goers. When they talk about the local priest it's 'father this and father that.) So yes the Church rules in rural Ireland. I actually know a few priests here too as I come into contact with them unfortunately with my job and they are nosy oul cnuts.

I don't mean to offend you in the slightest. It was like that in the whole of Ireland in the past. They are just getting less and less power (the church), thankfully.

Do these households follow the churches teaching tough about homosexuality, divorce, sex outside marriage, etc?
I know of plenty of houses with a holy water font and a holy picture and would go to mass but they wouldn't be die hard Catholics.

Sardonicat · 06-05-2018 08:25PM

kneemos wrote: »

Where would an ordinary punter get vestments?

The vestry?

DubInTheWest · 06-05-2018 08:27PM

Okay so maybe it's just in my locality then, but I highly doubt it. I've seen people cringe when I call the priest by his first name instead of 'father' and even had a woman say it's father *** etc..

They have a big part to play in rural schools because of the communion and confirmations and think it's Okay to just arrive at peoples houses to have a nose.

I haven't seen this happen in Dublin. I know things are different in the country and that's fine. The gripe I have with the church is all the child abuse, the christian bros and all that. Even in the Vatican now there is scandals left right and centre. How can anybody anywhere have anything to do with the whole Catholic church thing is just beyond me. I have an open mind in general, and yes I know there are very good priests but, there is also lots of bad ones, so how can you trust any of them..

DubInTheWest · 06-05-2018 08:29PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Do these households follow the churches teaching tough about homosexuality, divorce, sex outside marriage, etc?
I know of plenty of houses with a holy water font and a holy picture and would go to mass but they wouldn't be die hard Catholics.

I don't know to be honest.

freshpopcorn · 06-05-2018 08:35PM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

They have a big part to play in rural schools because of the communion and confirmations and think it's Okay to just arrive at peoples houses to have a nose.

I know locally the priest calls to people that's willing to entertain them but other than that they don't.
I know when a new priest comes around my area they might call around to say Hello but once you don't leave them in and encourage them they don't come back and regular church goers do this!

DubInTheWest · 06-05-2018 08:38PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I know locally the priest calls to people that's willing to entertain them but other than that they don't.
I know when a new priest comes around my area they might call around to say Hello but once you don't leave them in and encourage them they don't come back and regular church goers do this!

Thanks for the tip! I think I must have made a boo boo, I brought him in when he called, this was a few years back and he haunted me until I had to choke him off. It was awkward, but I'm not really religious.

I try not to tar them all with the one brush but I'm finding it hard not to.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-05-2018 08:43PM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

Okay so maybe it's just in my locality then, but I highly doubt it. I've seen people cringe when I call the priest by his first name instead of 'father' and even had a woman say it's father *** etc..

They have a big part to play in rural schools because of the communion and confirmations and think it's Okay to just arrive at peoples houses to have a nose.

..

I think you have a very confused image of the typical rural parish. Our priest goes by his first name, only calls to houses were requested - housebound parishioners for 1st Friday mostly, rarely visits the school (isn't even on the board of management anymore), and 1st communion etc. is mostly prepared by a group of parents with the teachers. This was the same with his predecessor and in the neighbouring parish.

kenmc · 06-05-2018 08:56PM

Why are the churchians wasting garda time with this? There's no mention in the article of a crime having been committed.

Actually maybe the question is better reversed: why are the gardai wasting their time with this nonsense, if there's no crime been reported?

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-05-2018 10:05PM

frag420 wrote: »

Consensual relations...in a church...on the altar!!

If you caught the deli staff screwing the shelf stacker across the counter in your local mace...you would report it too yeah?

I wouldn't trust that mayonnaise.

EdgeCase · 07-05-2018 12:33AM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

Okay so maybe it's just in my locality then, but I highly doubt it. I've seen people cringe when I call the priest by his first name instead of 'father' and even had a woman say it's father *** etc..

They have a big part to play in rural schools because of the communion and confirmations and think it's Okay to just arrive at peoples houses to have a nose.

I haven't seen this happen in Dublin. I know things are different in the country and that's fine. The gripe I have with the church is all the child abuse, the christian bros and all that. Even in the Vatican now there is scandals left right and centre. How can anybody anywhere have anything to do with the whole Catholic church thing is just beyond me. I have an open mind in general, and yes I know there are very good priests but, there is also lots of bad ones, so how can you trust any of them..

I have seen it happen in Dublin.... It depends on the individual, the age group and the household.

Rubberchikken · 07-05-2018 12:38AM

If this happened in a mosque - jebus could you imagine the outcry.

NIMAN · 07-05-2018 12:38AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I know of plenty of houses with a holy water font and a holy picture and would go to mass but they wouldn't be die hard Catholics.

Why would you go to the effort to put up these things in your house if you weren't a die hard RC?

Seems strange. Unless its to impress someone?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-05-2018 12:41AM

If anybody ever did such a thing we'd cut their bollocks off with a scissors and crucify them upside down onto a wooden cross.

testicles · 07-05-2018 12:41AM

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JupiterKid · 07-05-2018 01:11AM

A sex act on a church altar is deeply disrespectful and was done as a provocation. And I say that as a gay man who walked away from the Church 25 years ago with no regrets. But given the shenanigans in Maynooth in the 70s, 80s and 90s and from what I’ve read, I wouldn’t be surprised if at least 40% or more RC priests are closeted gay men. It’s quite possible that the men involved were priests themselves.

As for the celibacy issue, it’s utterly archaic, deeply unnatural and simply wrong on every level. Priests are humans and humans have basic needs - one is for sexual intimacy and love. Women should also be able to serve as priests (my own sister is a woman minister in the United Church of Canada) as should openly gay men and women in same sex relationships. The Church is utterly archaic and totally out of touch with the majority of the populace and unless there are radical changes (which are highly unlikely) its demise will continue.

The Church is indeed more influential and powerful in rural areas - rural areas tend to be more conservative than urban areas everywhere in the world. But they no longer rule rural Ireland. Yes, perhaps in 1984 when 15 year old Ann Lovett died in childbirth under a grotto in Longford, but not in 2018.

One other thing - how many young children were raped and sexually abused in churches and church property by priests? Is two men in religious garb having consensual sex on an altar worse than a small child being raped by a paedophile priest?

freshpopcorn · 07-05-2018 01:20AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Why would you go to the effort to put up these things in your house if you weren't a die hard RC?

Seems strange. Unless its to impress someone?

It could for multiple reasons. You got it as a gift, you put it up to keep granny/mammy happy, you are sort of a la carte, it came with the house. It doesn't take much effort to put these things up.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-05-2018 02:16AM

Shove the degenerates bollocks down his throut.

Stuff his dick up his arse and sew it shut.

Lucy8080 · 07-05-2018 02:34AM

frag420 wrote: »

Consensual relations...in a church...on the altar!!

If you caught the deli staff screwing the shelf stacker across the counter in your local mace...you would report it too yeah?

I have reported such an incident in the past. I caught a man putting his penis in the bacon slicer.

I reported it and he was sacked. She was sacked too.

dublinman1990 · 07-05-2018 04:01AM

I have to admit reading a story like this one from the Irish media of all places; it was quite bizarre & shocking to read it. To hear that an incident like this had taken place in an catholic church in Ireland is deeply embarrassing for all catholics living here. People of other faiths living here could feel exactly the same way about it when it was reported in the media. I would say this particularly when the Irish catholic church is currently trying to organize the Irish papal visit of Pope Francis which is due to take place in August for the WMOF. The perpetrators being highlighted in this incident have done something here that was more than stupid. They carried out an act in a sacred building that is deemed unthinkable among many normal people. I do hope the Gardaí get this investigation solved very quickly. I will be hoping that the Irish court system handing out a heavy custodial sentence to the perpetrators of this crime to prevent them from ever doing this act again. What will happen next with the Irish church's response to this crime remains a big mystery to me. Although I will say that whatever punishment is handed out from the church acts as a severe deterrent by giving out a similar message from our own justice system.

Irish church scandal: ‘priest' desecrates altar with gay sex acts(Fake or real news)

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