Irish church scandal: ‘priest' desecrates altar with gay sex acts(Fake or real news)

handlemaster

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/altar-sex-act-by-man-in-priest-vestments-is-caught-on-camera-36872132.html

The church wouldnt report child abuse but will jump when it appears two people have consentual relations. Wheres the property they agreed to hand over to the state ?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Any chance of a summary or hint as to what you're on about? I'm not falling for Indo click bait.

frag420

Consensual relations...in a church...on the altar!!

If you caught the deli staff screwing the shelf stacker across the counter in your local mace...you would report it too yeah?

RockDesk

"It is understood that several senior clerics, including bishops, have been made aware of the shocking images over recent days."

They made sure they all had a good look at it before handing it over.

wexie

RockDesk wrote: »

They made sure they all had a good look at it before handing it over.

Well they would have wanted to make sure it wasn't them or a buddy they were hanging out to dry.

Gotta look out for your friends you know

Jim Bob Scratcher

The priest was obviously doing the lords work

Galwayguy35

Yeah it's hilarious when it happens in a Catholic church because it's cool to laugh at that but if it happened in a mosque I've a feeling it might be a little different.

It's a place of worship for Catholics and they shouldn't have done it.

handlemaster

frag420 wrote: »

Consensual relations...in a church...on the altar!!

If you caught the deli staff screwing the shelf stacker across the counter in your local mace...you would report it too yeah?

Honestly. Wont bother me. I wouldnt be a big deli buyer. Id have a look first. .. you could always pick up some tips

wexie

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah it's hilarious when it happens in a Catholic church because it's cool to laugh at that but if it happened in a mosque I've a feeling it might be a little different.

It's a place of worship for Catholics and they shouldn't have done it.

I'd agree with you that's it's pretty disrespectful, however there's nothing in that article to suggest it wasn't catholics at it.

As a matter of fact it seems they're not even sure it wasn't a priest...

He urged the bishop of the diocese to launch an investigation to determine whether the man in religious vestments is actually a priest.

frag420

handlemaster wrote: »

Honestly. Wont bother me. I wouldnt be a big deli buyer. Id have a look first. .. you could always pick up some tips

Like stay away from the ham slicer...she is bad news that one!!

Galwayguy35

wexie wrote: »

I'd agree with you that's it's pretty disrespectful, however there's nothing in that article to suggest it wasn't catholics at it.

As a matter of fact it seems they're not even sure it wasn't a priest...

I doubt it, more than likely some fella who got the vestments and put them on.

Personally I don't think it's a criminal offence or anything like that but if they wanted to shag then find somewhere other than a place where people go to pray.

Old people often go to the church during the day when it's quiet and they would get quite a shock to see 2 lads riding on the altar.

handlemaster

Maybe it was two auld lads

kneemos

Where would an ordinary punter get vestments?
Wouldn't rule out the priest angle.

Not the worst thing that could happen a church.
You could be babtised for example.

While I wouldn't be a big fan on the churches general handling of sex scandals, I don't think they're overreacting with the concern over what is a sacred space to many being defiled by either rogue clergy people, or crass morons/wannabe edgy types/pretendy Satanists committing what would seem to be a sacrilegious act.

I don't know if it constitutes a crime, but it is pretty despicable to disregard the significance of an altar to believers.

dude_abided

There is a certain irony of what people would get riled up about and what people will be amused about.

If I walked into a mosque and started having a picnic of bacon sandwiches, washing down with beer whilst with a scantily clad woman, it would be all over the news...

Not saying one is better or worse, I'm just curious if its a genuine lack of respect or if there is some fear in there as well?

BENDYBINN

Maybe the priests were on cocaine......it can make one do strange things.

Galwayguy35

kneemos wrote: »

Where would an ordinary punter get vestments?
Wouldn't rule out the priest angle.

Not the worst thing that could happen a church.
You could be babtised for example.

They are in the room behind the altar so not that hard to get.

As I said before if this happened in a mosque or synagogue I think the reaction would be a lot different.

amcalester

Why aren’t the church trying to cover this up?

That’s their usual modus operandai.

Atoms for Peace

RockDesk wrote: »

"It is understood that several senior clerics, including bishops, have been made aware of the shocking images over recent days."

They made sure they all had a good look at it before handing it over.

I have an image of a shifty eyed bishop demanding a copy of the images for further masturbation, sorry investigation.

Atoms for Peace

dude_abided wrote: »

There is a certain irony of what people would get riled up about and what people will be amused about.

If I walked into a mosque and started having a picnic of bacon sandwiches, washing down with beer whilst with a scantily clad woman, it would be all over the news...

Not saying one is better or worse, I'm just curious if its a genuine lack of respect or if there is some fear in there as well?

One results in riling up a few sanctimonious old gits while the other results in you living in fear if getting your head chopped off. My head is worth more than a few likes on social media.

kneemos

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They are in the room behind the altar so not that hard to get.

As I said before if this happened in a mosque or synagogue I think the reaction would be a lot different.

If it happened on a rooftop the reaction would be different.
It happened in a church.

looksee

How did mosques and synagogues get into the discussion?

Of course it is not good/appropriate/desireable for people to have sex on an altar, any more than if a couple of fellas got into anyone's kitchen and did the same.

The point is that the first resort of complaint by the clergy was the law, which is a bit ironic given their reluctance in the past to contact the gardai in other situations involving inappropriate sex acts.

freshpopcorn

This link got forwarded onto to me. Is this real or fake news?

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/irish-church-scandal-priest-desecrates-altar-with-gay-sex-act

pleas advice

heres a link from the Independent, but then i wouldn't trust them either...
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/catholic-priest-allegedly-a-prime-suspect-as-gardai-probe-images-of-sex-act-on-church-altar-36878470.html

One eyed Jack

Life imitating Art I would say:

Webcams in churches nowadays isn't all that unusual, so I imagine that's likely how they got the still photographs.

fin12

pleas advice wrote: »

heres a link from the Independent, but then i wouldn't trust them either...
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/catholic-priest-allegedly-a-prime-suspect-as-gardai-probe-images-of-sex-act-on-church-altar-36878470.html

I just read the article, it says that Bishop Buckley is gay, I don’t understand how is a practicing bishop if he is publicly gay? I don’t really understand the article. I remember a polish catholic priest came out as gay last year but left the church.

freshpopcorn

fin12 wrote: »

I just read the article, it says that Bishop Buckley is gay, I don’t understand how is a practicing bishop if he is publicly gay? I don’t really understand the article. I remember a polish catholic priest came out as gay last year but left the church.

From my understanding I think it's okay to be gay but not to act on your urges!

EdgeCase

"Independent Bishop" ??

One eyed Jack

fin12 wrote: »

I just read the article, it says that Bishop Buckley is gay, I don’t understand how is a practicing bishop if he is publicly gay? I don’t really understand the article. I remember a polish catholic priest came out as gay last year but left the church.

He was dismissed from the Catholic Church:

Pat ministered in South Wales from 1976 until 1978 until he returned to Ireland. He then ministered in the Diocese of Down and Connor from 1978 until 1986 when the then bishop, Cathal Daly, dismissed him for his liberal views and from being outspoken about Catholic Church scandals in the media. He had served in 3 parishes in D&C - the Cathedral in Belfast, Kilkeel in County Down and Larne in Co. Antrim.
 
Pat remained in Larne after his dismissal and immediately set up an independent ministry which continues to the present day. He does everything any Catholic priest does and has also developed a special ministry to those estranged from the Catholic Church and other churches - the divorced, the LGBT community, women and men involved in relationships with priests etc.

Source: http://bishoppatbuckley.org/index.html

fin12

freshpopcorn wrote: »

From my understanding I think it's okay to be gay but not to act on your urges!

Ok I didn’t know that, I thought if you declared that you are a gay you would be removed from the church.

freshpopcorn

fin12 wrote: »

Ok I didn’t know that, I thought if you declared that you are a gay you would be removed from the church.

I'm not 100% but once you don't act on your feelings I think it's okay. It's similar to being heterosexual!

One eyed Jack

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not 100% but once you don't act on your feelings I think it's okay. It's similar to being heterosexual!

Aye, if gay men were excluded from being eligible to become members of the clergy, the numbers would drop off a cliff :pac:

fin12

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not 100% but once you don't act on your feelings I think it's okay. It's similar to being heterosexual!

But the thing is the Catholic Church thinks it’s a sin so can’t see a priest/bishop who declares themselves as being gay continue in his role with the church?

freshpopcorn

fin12 wrote: »

But the thing is the Catholic Church thinks it’s a sin so can’t see a priest/bishop who declares themselves as being gay continue in his role with the church?

In the last few years from what I understand the sin is performing the act!

EdgeCase

I wouldn't say the church needs to be reconsecrated, as per the article, but I would suggest maybe giving it a good clean down with Dettol and checking for any odd stains.

ChikiChiki

fin12 wrote: »

I just read the article, it says that Bishop Buckley is gay, I don’t understand how is a practicing bishop if he is publicly gay? I don’t really understand the article. I remember a polish catholic priest came out as gay last year but left the church.

Thinking the same. Thought they were married to God or some bolloxology like that?? But then maybe that would make him gay.. He could be gay to God... But then the church doesn't like that.....

Ahhhh I dunno, its all very confusing! *Takes hard swig of whiskey

DubInTheWest

I think the majority of priests/bishops are dirty animals. A friend of mine was married by a pedo priest in ballyfermot many years ago. He's still traumatized by it to this day.

A lot of scandals has come out over the years, especially in Dublin but to this day in rural Ireland where the Catholic church still rules I can only imagine what they (priests) are still up to.

fin12

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Thinking the same. Thought they were married to God or some bolloxology like that?? But then maybe that would make him gay.. He could be gay to God... But then the church doesn't like that.....

Ahhhh I dunno, its all very confusing! *Takes hard swig of whiskey

Haha

suicide_circus

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This link got forwarded onto to me. Is this real or fake news?

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/irish-church-scandal-priest-desecrates-altar-with-gay-sex-act

That site has the best comment section I've read in years

EdgeCase

I don't think you can really generalise about priests, but the whole celibacy thing is weird and actually grossly unfair on them (and on nuns, and others who are subject to it too.)

My view of it is that it should be your human right to form intimate relationships and have the possibility of having a sexual side to your life and also reproduce if you want to.

It's quite weird and very unfair that any organisation would take that right away from people.

You'd think we'd all have moved past the middle ages at this stage.

fin12

This is another horrible story that was in the Dailymail today. Man raped when a child by an Irish nun and got pregnant by him. There’s such sick freaks.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696759/Emotional-moment-raped-former-choirboy-76-reunited-long-lost-daughter.html

Ken.

Mod-Threads merged.

jippo nolan

fin12 wrote: »

Ok I didn’t know that, I thought if you declared that you are a gay you would be removed from the church.

Only if they have bouncers on the door!

fin12

So it happened in a church in Cork?

Why is that fella even a priest to that on the altar? He obviously has no respect for the church so why the f*ck is he a priest?

jippo nolan

frag420 wrote: »

Like stay away from the ham slicer...she is bad news that one!!

And don’t leave it steeping in the “dishwasher”

One eyed Jack

EdgeCase wrote: »

I don't think you can really generalise about priests, but the whole celibacy thing is weird and actually grossly unfair on them (and on nuns, and others who are subject to it too.)

My view of it is that it should be your human right to form intimate relationships and have the possibility of having a sexual side to your life and also reproduce if you want to.

It's quite weird and very unfair that any organisation would take that right away from people.

You'd think we'd all have moved past the middle ages at this stage.

But they choose that life, it's not as though they actually are being denied any human rights.

fin12

EdgeCase wrote: »

I don't think you can really generalise about priests, but the whole celibacy thing is weird and actually grossly unfair on them (and on nuns, and others who are subject to it too.)

My view of it is that it should be your human right to form intimate relationships and have the possibility of having a sexual side to your life and also reproduce if you want to.

It's quite weird and very unfair that any organisation would take that right away from people.

You'd think we'd all have moved past the middle ages at this stage.

But at the end of the day, they choose to become a nun or a priest and know that that means cellabasy so if they can’t handle that, they shouldn’t become one.

EdgeCase

One eyed Jack wrote: »

But they choose that life, it's not as though they actually are being denied any human rights.

It's an odd one though - I mean if they decide to leave, they could lose their income and their livelihood. Not many employers have that kind of control over their employees.

It all just seems a bit screwed up to me.

fin12

EdgeCase wrote: »

It's an odd one though - I mean if they decide to leave, they could lose their income and their livelihood. Not many employers have that kind of control over their employees.

It all just seems a bit screwed up to me.

How is that different to anyone else leaving a job? You ge5 employment somewhere else. Some of those priests have pretty cushy lives with their big houses.

EdgeCase

fin12 wrote: »

How is that different to anyone else leaving a job? You ge5 employment somewhere else. Some of those priests have pretty cushy lives with their big houses.

Because no other job would be allowed to insist you didn't have a love life. It would be law suit territory.

fin12

EdgeCase wrote: »

Because no other job would be allowed to insist you didn't have a love life. It would be law suit territory.

Ya and they know that when entering into the job so I really don’t understand what you are getting at?

And to be honest how many really actually obey that rule????