Kentucky derby

Beechwoodspark · 05-05-2018 8:43pm #1

Anyone know why PP and Betfair and others aren’t accepting bets on the Kentucky derby?

Beechwoodspark · 05-05-2018 8:50pm

They looking for commission or something I wonder

kiers47 · 05-05-2018 8:54pm

Fairly sure it's a licensing issue.

Ladbrokes and Boyles both had prices up when I was in shop earlier.

laguacamaya · 05-05-2018 9:07pm

Was told that PPs has no affiliation with The Business/Casino that run the Kentucky track...(I had a treble on Mabs Cross/Saxon Warrior/Mendelsson written on the docket...;-))

Mgoraf · 05-05-2018 9:10pm

I haven't a clue whatsoever about us racing but surely Mendelssohn at 5s is a bet?

ziggy · 05-05-2018 9:14pm

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kiers47 · 05-05-2018 9:15pm

ziggy wrote: »

Just reading there that Ryan Moore has a career record of 0 wins from 18 in North American dirt races.

Surprising stat!

I wouldn't think that is a big enough sample size. But I'd imagine he hasn't been on many more fancied than this one.

NaiveMelodies · 05-05-2018 9:15pm

Anyone backin him at these prices is nuts.

Francie Barrett · 05-05-2018 9:20pm

As much as I think Aidan deserves the Kentucky Derby, I really struggle to see how he justifies favouritism. I am just after watching some of the under card races and the track looked sloppy as ****, and with the draw that Mendelssohn has, it is seriously going to struggle. In terms of value, I like Audible at 8/1.

200motels · 05-05-2018 9:31pm

Crazy Paddy Power won’t take a bet on it as they practically bet on anything that moves.

mickmackmcgoo · 05-05-2018 9:34pm

Francie Barrett wrote:

As much as I think Aidan deserves the Kentucky Derby, I really struggle to see how he justifies favouritism. I am just after watching some of the under card races and the track looked sloppy as ****, and with the draw that Mendelssohn has, it is seriously going to struggle. In terms of value, I like Audible at 8/1.

It's pure slop there. Seahenge didn't raise a leg on it in the mile .

kiers47 · 05-05-2018 9:51pm

200motels wrote: »

Crazy Paddy Power won’t take a bet on it as they practically bet on anything that moves.

I'd say they wouldn't be to bothered considering it would literally be a 1 horse book.

Francie Barrett · 05-05-2018 10:06pm

Deauville NR.

Ground must be an absolute mess.

supremenovice · 05-05-2018 11:43pm

Noble Indy e/w for me.

tryfix · 05-05-2018 11:43pm

I wouldn't underestimate Mendelssohn just because of O'Brien's record in the race. He's a big strong dirt-royalty bred individual who shouldn't be hamstrung by being unsuited to the Kentucky Derby conditions.

My biggest worry would be that Ryan Moore is on his back, but I think the fact that the Americans have played down his chances means the pressure is off team Mendelssohn.

supremenovice · 05-05-2018 11:50pm

tryfix wrote: »

My biggest worry would be that Ryan Moore is on his back,

Not a fan of Moore in general or just on dirt tracks?

Dr. Bre · 05-05-2018 11:54pm

Rubbish from Mendelssohn

Johner · 05-05-2018 11:56pm

Can't believe people actually enjoy that, it's not a race at all. Shocking.

Francie Barrett · 05-05-2018 11:57pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Rubbish from Mendelssohn

Very harsh, it had an impossible task given the sloppy track and outside draw.

mbradso2003 · 05-05-2018 11:59pm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Very harsh, it had an impossible task given the sloppy track and outside draw.

100%. Wide draws in these Big US races a curse.

tryfix · 06-05-2018 12:08am

supremenovice wrote: »

Not a fan of Moore in general or just on dirt tracks?

Not a fan of him at all, but I don't think he can take the blame for that. It was a terrible draw and mad scramble that the horse couldn't handle. Conditions were so bad that for most of the race I couldn't even pick out the Mendelssohn colours.

tryfix · 06-05-2018 12:13am

Really Coolmore should be using a top American Jockey for an occasion like this. I was looking at all the American/Mexican jockeys beforehand and thinking that these guys ain't going to think twice about squeezing out Moore if they get the chance.

UrbanFret · 06-05-2018 12:15am

When O Brien learns how to train a horse to hit the gate running he might have a chance in American dirt races. 20+ years now he still hasn't cracked it. Did anyone realistically think he had a chance? Finished pretty much were you'd expect it to.

akelly02 · 06-05-2018 12:17am

UrbanFret wrote: »

When O Brien learns how to train a horse to hit the gate running he might have a chance in American dirt races. 20+ years now he still hasn't cracked it. Did anyone realistically think he had a chance? Finished pretty much were you'd expect it to.

Yea dead last at 6/1 makes sense

Dr. Bre · 06-05-2018 12:18am

Regardless of draw last is poor

Mysterypunter · 06-05-2018 12:20am

The winner was hugely impressive, sloppy track probably favoured pace horses, but the winner is a proper horse

Francie Barrett · 06-05-2018 12:25am

tryfix wrote: »

Really Coolmore should be using a top American Jockey for an occasion like this. I was looking at all the American/Mexican jockeys beforehand and thinking that these guys ain't going to think twice about squeezing out Moore if they get the chance.

Watched the start a dozen times just there, reckon the race was over within the first dozen strides. Justify broke beautifully. People will say it was given a positive ride, but the reality is that the horse was schooled to within an inch of its life.

UrbanFret · 06-05-2018 12:28am

akelly02 wrote: »

Yea dead last at 6/1 makes sense

Boylesports were offering an incredible 11/4 on him or u could have had a hugely generous 16/1 on an O'Brien 1000,2000 and Kentucky Derby treble. Mind boggling.

tryfix · 06-05-2018 12:38am

UrbanFret wrote: »

When O Brien learns how to train a horse to hit the gate running he might have a chance in American dirt races. 20+ years now he still hasn't cracked it. Did anyone realistically think he had a chance? Finished pretty much were you'd expect it to.

Fair point, I naively thought the dream might be on because he had the right material, but in hindsight there's no point in sending a fairly soft 3 year old over to take on those teak tough Yankee horses in their premier race.

On O'Brien's record in dirt races, he won the Breeders Cup Juvenile Dirt with Johannesburg and went very close in the Breeders Cup Classic with Giants Causeway and Henrythenavigator, horses with zero experience of dirt racing.

UrbanFret · 06-05-2018 12:43am

tryfix wrote: »

Fair point, I naively thought the dream might be on because he had the right material, but in hindsight there's no point in sending a fairly soft 3 year old over to take on those teak tough Yankee horses in their premier race.

On O'Brien's record in dirt races, he went very close in the Breeders Cup Classic with Giants Causeway and Henrythenavigator two horse with zero experience of dirt racing.

The "iron horse"was an incredibly tough performer. Henry not so much.you can get away with breaking slowly in Europe but not over there. I'm Surprised they haven't gone the American based jockey route by now. Moore got murdered by them in the first furlong tonight due to not breaking well. The Weather didn't help. Best to keep him for the 2nd leg where they'll likely be a smaller field, all might not yet be lost.

BumperD · 06-05-2018 12:49am

UrbanFret wrote: »

When O Brien learns how to train a horse to hit the gate running he might have a chance in American dirt races. 20+ years now he still hasn't cracked it. Did anyone realistically think he had a chance? Finished pretty much were you'd expect it to.

Laying favs in Kentucky derbies by the absolute bojangles

tryfix · 06-05-2018 12:56am

UrbanFret wrote: »

The "iron horse"was an incredibly tough performer. Henry not so much.you can get away with breaking slowly in Europe but not over there. I'm Surprised they haven't gone the American based jockey route by now. Moore got murdered by them in the first furlong tonight due to not breaking well. The Weather didn't help. Best to keep him for the 2nd leg where they'll likely be a smaller field, all might not yet be lost.

It's hard to know what they will do with him, not so sure that he'd be anymore able for those same horses in the Preakness in a few weeks time. I'd be inclined to ship him out to one of their US trainers who could bring him along steadily by winning lesser races with smaller fields while he gets older and tougher like Beholder did.

famagusta · 06-05-2018 8:28am

UrbanFret wrote:

Boylesports were offering an incredible 11/4 on him or u could have had a hugely generous 16/1 on an O'Brien 1000,2000 and Kentucky Derby treble. Mind boggling.

Aftertime Ansell would absolutely love you!!

diomed · 06-05-2018 8:28am

I just learned this result this morning.
The winner, Justify, has something I like to see in pedigrees.
This pedigree feature is similar to what I planned in a mating of my mare with a stallion standing in Ireland.
Unfortunately, she did not get pregnant.
This feature is 4 x 4 to full-siblings.

Justify has two mares in the 4th generation of his pedigree that are full-sibling sisters.
They are Yarn (f) (Mr Prospector - Narrate), and Preach (f) (Mr Prospector - Narrate).
Yarn produced a daughter, Myth, in the pedigree, and Preach produced a son, Pulpit.
What really is extra special is the sire of Narrate, Honest Pleasure (What A Pleasure - Tularia),
has a full-sibling brother, For The Moment (What A Pleasure - Tularia) also in the pedigree of Justify.

Shedite27 · 02-05-2021 12:14am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Anyone know why PP and Betfair and others aren’t accepting bets on the Kentucky derby?

Realise this is a 3 year old thread but did we ever get an answer to this? There’s a few answers below but nothing concrete. Any ideas why they don’t offer odds? They offer odds on virtual horses so cant imagine they can’t be bothered

Francie Barrett · 09-05-2021 3:31pm

This year's winner (trained by Baffert) just tested positive for a banned substance.

Itziger · 09-05-2021 3:49pm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

This year's winner (trained by Baffert) just tested positive for a banned substance.

Baffert says he's 'shocked'!!

FatRat · 09-05-2021 4:59pm

Just curious, if I had the 2nd horse backed should I expect an ammended winning payout if Medina Spirit is DQ'd. Can't see anything for this in any rules.

zpehtsfd · 09-05-2021 5:32pm

https://www.kentuckyderby.com/uploads/wysiwyg/assets/uploads/20210509_Medina_Spirit_Statement.pdf

Dr. Bre · 09-05-2021 10:42pm

FatRat wrote: »

Just curious, if I had the 2nd horse backed should I expect an ammended winning payout if Medina Spirit is DQ'd. Can't see anything for this in any rules.

Good question . I also backed the second . Doubt I will see the money going into my account tho

Zarkandar · 09-05-2021 11:18pm

All payouts are done on official result on the day (same as GB & Ire). The substance wasn't a banned drug, horse just had more of the anti-inflam (21x) than allowed (10x). Saying all that, Baffert is constantly caught for overages (or banned substances) but he's too big for the sport over there to out (see ridiculous recent Arkansas verdict). At best he's playing on the edge but I'd say thay would be a very sympathetic way of looking at things.

Mad about baa baas · 11-05-2021 8:12am

Zarkandar wrote: »

All payouts are done on official result on the day (same as GB & Ire). The substance wasn't a banned drug, horse just had more of the anti-inflam (21x) than allowed (10x). Saying all that, Baffert is constantly caught for overages (or banned substances) but he's too big for the sport over there to out (see ridiculous recent Arkansas verdict). At best he's playing on the edge but I'd say thay would be a very sympathetic way of looking at things.

Sympathetic indeed.. akin to saying a certain moustached german man got a bit carried away with himself

Peintre Celebre · 11-05-2021 9:04am

New York Times report this is the 29th such instance in Baffert's career and fifth in over a year. This fella shouldn't just have his licence revoked he should be imprisoned what an absolute scammer.

Dr. Bre · 11-05-2021 9:40am

Battert blaming the cancel culture for this

Peintre Celebre · 11-05-2021 9:54am

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Battert blaming the cancel culture for this

Amazing isn't it.

The Mig · 11-05-2021 10:33am

https://twitter.com/rickbozich/status/1391773986120417280?s=21

tryfix · 11-05-2021 12:20pm

The Mig wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rickbozich/status/1391773986120417280?s=21

The dog ate my homework....

Peintre Celebre · 14-05-2021 3:09pm

Good article here

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/racing/arid-40288919.html

Poor Bob

kksaints · 15-05-2021 10:49pm

Medina's Spirit is running in the Preakness tonight. Will be interesting to see the reaction if he wins.

kksaints · 15-05-2021 11:57pm

kksaints wrote: »

Medina's Spirit is running in the Preakness tonight. Will be interesting to see the reaction if he wins.

Finished third. Rombauer the winner.

Peintre Celebre · 16-05-2021 8:32am

Delighted Baffert didn't win it

Kentucky derby

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