A new playtoy - 181/2 Tractor

roosterman71 · 05-05-2018 09:47AM #1

Right folks,
The auld lad proudly announced this morning that he's going to buy a brand new tractor :eek:
Be an upgrade on our now 23 year old (it is the newest one we have) JD. So lets all go fantasy tractor shopping.

Here's what it will be at:

Mowing with 8' Malone (~200 acres/year)
Raking for hay/silage
Drawing bales of hay/silage (~1200 a year)
Random trailer work around the place (gravel, timber, etc)
Few other random bits

What it won't be doing is feeding cattle or anything like that. In fact, during the winter months it would be doing very little unless there was a few bales to move or some odd jobs around.

So the requirement list!

Around 100HP. The JD is that but I suspect the newer yokes need a bit extra. Is 100hp 23 years ago the same as 100hp now in terms of pulling power, etc
Not a big chunky bulky yoke. Essential it isn't very tall or it won't go into a few sheds!
Loader with pretty quick and responsive hydraulics
Comfy for driving, and easy to drive. Nothing too complicated or the auld lad won't use it
Pulling power for trailer + 20 silage bales, 16/17t gravel

Now there is no make or brand leading the way, though he likes the JD (if it was my money I'd be gone for a Fendt, dunno why, I just like them!).

So hit me up with yer recommendations, or experiences with different makes/models.

Mooooo · 05-05-2018 10:21AM

Price around, new tractors can have big difference in prices. Seeing the price tag on a fendt won't be long knocking the idea out of a lot of lads heads, i guess jd, new Holland and Massey prob the best for residual but I wouldn't know much about it tbh

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 10:22AM

roosterman71 wrote: »

Right folks,
The auld lad proudly announced this morning that he's going to buy a brand new tractor :eek:
Be an upgrade on our now 23 year old (it is the newest one we have) JD. So lets all go fantasy tractor shopping.

Here's what it will be at:
Mowing with 8' Malone (~200 acres/year)

Raking for hay/silage

Drawing bales of hay/silage (~1200 a year)

Random trailer work around the place (gravel, timber, etc)

Few other random bits

What it won't be doing is feeding cattle or anything like that. In fact, during the winter months it would be doing very little unless there was a few bales to move or some odd jobs around.

So the requirement list!
Around 100HP. The JD is that but I suspect the newer yokes need a bit extra. Is 100hp 23 years ago the same as 100hp now in terms of pulling power, etc

Not a big chunky bulky yoke. Essential it isn't very tall or it won't go into a few sheds!

Loader with pretty quick and responsive hydraulics

Comfy for driving, and easy to drive. Nothing too complicated or the auld lad won't use it

Pulling power for trailer + 20 silage bales, 16/17t gravel

Now there is no make or brand leading the way, though he likes the JD (if it was my money I'd be gone for a Fendt, dunno why, I just like them!).

So hit me up with yer recommendations, or experiences with different makes/models.

All down to preference really. Problem you will have now is that most of the 100hp teachers now have ad blue in them.

Still might be a few landinis without it still in storage. Other than that you'll have to go buy a second hand MF 5610 for example maybe 2 years old to avoid it. That's if your not a fan if the adblue

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 10:25AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Price around, new tractors can have big difference in prices. Seeing the price tag on a fendt won't be long knocking the idea out of a lot of lads heads, i guess jd, new Holland and Massey prob the best for residual but I wouldn't know much about it tbh

Most of them makes jumped nearly 20k this year because of the adblue and Tier 4 regulations.

cute geoge · 05-05-2018 10:26AM

neighbour bought old model 6125m (i think) with loader and suspension came to €87k straight 3 years ago ,smashing tractor but i think jd changed models since 6125m nowadays would only be boosted to that hp and the price probably good bit dearer.I doubt it would be able for 20 heavy bales though

Grueller · 05-05-2018 10:27AM

I drove a kubota m135gx harrowing recently. Well specced, comfy and far better value for money than the competition. In or about €75k I think without loader. Won't get much MF, NH or JD at that money.

blue5000 · 05-05-2018 10:32AM

Grueller wrote: »

I drove a kubota m135gx harrowing recently. Well specced, comfy and far better value for money than the competition. In or about €75k I think without loader. Won't get much MF, NH or JD at that money.

I came on here to suggest a Kubota, might be a good stick to beat the competition with, but the cabs are small. What dealers are near you Rooster and what is the budget?

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 10:57AM

Grueller wrote: »

I drove a kubota m135gx harrowing recently. Well specced, comfy and far better value for money than the competition. In or about €75k I think without loader. Won't get much MF, NH or JD at that money.

I think the landini 5-100H comes in around 65k or there abouts depending on spec with no loader.

GrasstoMilk · 05-05-2018 11:07AM

Reggie. wrote: »

All down to preference really. Problem you will have now is that most of the 100hp teachers now have ad blue in them.

Still might be a few landinis without it still in storage. Other than that you'll have to go buy a second hand MF 5610 for example maybe 2 years old to avoid it. That's if your not a fan if the adblue

I'd be happy enough with the ad blue tbh. Reckon we're using less diesel with it.

OP the 5610s are a nice tractor and are very tidy sized for what they can do. Get it on 38s though and wide enough tires too. The loader joystick is a super job

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 11:39AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I'd be happy enough with the ad blue tbh. Reckon we're using less diesel with it.

OP the 5610s are a nice tractor and are very tidy sized for what they can do. Get it on 38s though and wide enough tires too. The loader joystick is a super job

Don't know much about it tbh but some operators really hate it

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 11:56AM

Suppose the best advice would be for yourself and your father to head to grass and muck as most brands will be on display there. Get a feel of what ye would like

Grueller · 05-05-2018 02:28PM

blue5000 wrote: »

I came on here to suggest a Kubota, might be a good stick to beat the competition with, but the cabs are small. What dealers are near you Rooster and what is the budget?

Cabs on those MGX series are class leading for space.

bogman_bass · 05-05-2018 03:36PM

Well if it's fantasy shopping you're at go for a Unimog!

roosterman71 · 05-05-2018 06:37PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Price around, new tractors can have big difference in prices. Seeing the price tag on a fendt won't be long knocking the idea out of a lot of lads heads, i guess jd, new Holland and Massey prob the best for residual but I wouldn't know much about it tbh

Yeah the Fendt price would be a real eye opener alright! A man can dream though

Reggie. wrote: »

All down to preference really. Problem you will have now is that most of the 100hp teachers now have ad blue in them.

Still might be a few landinis without it still in storage. Other than that you'll have to go buy a second hand MF 5610 for example maybe 2 years old to avoid it. That's if your not a fan if the adblue

To be honest, I know very little about Ad Blue. Tell me more if ya don't mind. What are the disadvantages to having it? I seen a Deutz 5-series brochure one day and it was on about having no additives needed in the engine. Not sure how old the brochure was though.

Grueller wrote: »

I drove a kubota m135gx harrowing recently. Well specced, comfy and far better value for money than the competition. In or about €75k I think without loader. Won't get much MF, NH or JD at that money.

That's true. Not too many Kubotas around here, and no idea if there's a dealer nearby either. But they do sound interesting. I'd like to get feedback from someone with one for a while to see how they fare.

blue5000 wrote: »

I came on here to suggest a Kubota, might be a good stick to beat the competition with, but the cabs are small. What dealers are near you Rooster and what is the budget?

Lets start with the budget. That's unknown yet! I suppose we'll travel around and see whats on offer and where and then see if it can be bought. It's not like it's being bought for a few years then moved on (unless it's junk). The current yoke is a 95 and still going. No reason this one wouldn't be around the same length. As for dealers, plenty around. There's a McCormick and Landini dealer a few miles away. NH aren't far, nor are JD, MF, Same or Deutz. All within 20 miles anyway. I think there's a Fendt dealer about 30 miles away, and there's a Claas lad near there too I think. So I'm surrounded by lads with metal to sell

Reggie. wrote: »

I think the landini 5-100H comes in around 65k or there abouts depending on spec with no loader.

Good to know. I'd definitely need a loader. I know ya have the Landini yerself and are doing similar kinda work to myself but on a bigger scale.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I'd be happy enough with the ad blue tbh. Reckon we're using less diesel with it.

OP the 5610s are a nice tractor and are very tidy sized for what they can do. Get it on 38s though and wide enough tires too. The loader joystick is a super job

As above, tell me more about this magical Ad Blue. I'd definitely be getting wide tyres. Have them on the JD and they are a super job.

Reggie. wrote: »

Suppose the best advice would be for yourself and your father to head to grass and muck as most brands will be on display there. Get a feel of what ye would like

Well I didn't know there'd be tractor talk there. Thought it was more machine focused as opposed the power unit in front. If I can get a day off work I'll pop along anyway

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 06:41PM

All the tractors and salesmen will be there on the day.

leg wax · 05-05-2018 06:42PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Price around, new tractors can have big difference in prices. Seeing the price tag on a fendt won't be long knocking the idea out of a lot of lads heads, i guess jd, new Holland and Massey prob the best for residual but I wouldn't know much about it tbh

bought a 151 fendt 4 weeks ago , 20 years on my landini i was due a up grade.

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 06:43PM

leg wax wrote: »

bought a 151 fendt 4 weeks ago , 20 years on my landini i was due a up grade.

Def due one

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 06:45PM

As for the adblue it's more the system and sensors I think. Dpf have thier issues too but the adblue is supposed to be more problematic.

I think on some machines the sensor can give bother and is a job to change out. Also the exhausts on machines have to be changed out after say 5000 hrs??? And they can be big money for them as they are stainless steel

And if your unfortunate enough to lose the pump in the adblue tank it's a massive job to fix. These issues will be more for future second hand machines than new ones

jaymla627 · 05-05-2018 06:57PM

Reggie. wrote: »

As for the adblue it's more the system and sensors I think. Dpf have thier issues too but the adblue is supposed to be more problematic.

I think on some machines the sensor can give bother and is a job to change out. Also the exhausts on machines have to be changed out after say 5000 hrs??? And they can be big money for them as they are stainless steel

And if your unfortunate enough to lose the pump in the adblue tank it's a massive job to fix. These issues will be more for future second hand machines than new ones

Theirs a chap up the north that can turn it off on basically every tractor out their, best option from day one

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 07:00PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Theirs a chap up the north that can turn it off on basically every tractor out their, best option from day one

I wonder is it tho. I can see this tractor test coming compulsory in time and if they see that system messed with then there might be trouble

roosterman71 · 05-05-2018 07:01PM

leg wax wrote: »

bought a 151 fendt 4 weeks ago , 20 years on my landini i was due a up grade.

Well wear. What kinda one ya get if ya don't mind me being nosey, and why did you choose it?

Reggie. wrote: »

As for the adblue it's more the system and sensors I think. Dpf have thier issues too but the adblue is supposed to be more problematic.

I think on some machines the sensor can give bother and is a job to change out. Also the exhausts on machines have to be changed out after say 5000 hrs??? And they can be big money for them as they are stainless steel

And if your unfortunate enough to lose the pump in the adblue tank it's a massive job to fix. These issues will be more for future second hand machines than new ones

Sound. I was thinking some environmental stuff would be the root to this particular evil. I'd be stung there too cos the tractor would be around the place long enough for them yokes to go wrong! I wonder can ya run them with it disabled? Do ya need to work them hard to avoid issues with the DPF in order to burn the waste from the system?

Reggie. · 05-05-2018 07:15PM

roosterman71 wrote: »

Well wear. What kinda one ya get if ya don't mind me being nosey, and why did you choose it?

Sound. I was thinking some environmental stuff would be the root to this particular evil. I'd be stung there too cos the tractor would be around the place long enough for them yokes to go wrong! I wonder can ya run them with it disabled? Do ya need to work them hard to avoid issues with the DPF in order to burn the waste from the system?

It all depends on how the DPF is setup. Some brands need the engine run up to a certain temp first but the dini will do it ticking over as it does it a different way to others

Cattlepen · 05-05-2018 07:18PM

Fendt are wonderful tractors, I have one, but they will never earn you back the difference in price with the more common makes. The others are all much of a muchness -with the exception of Massey. The size of tractor you are talking about is Massey’s forté. They just cannot be beaten in this sector. Neat, tidy,simple and well capable of many jobs. I would consider, if I was you, getting a low hours second hand one without adblue. Just a little simpler. Also, the sloppy bonnet is fantastic. Just so much nicer to drive all day than a big bonnet.

leg wax · 05-05-2018 08:07PM

312 with loader, front and cab suspension ,oh the comfort ,oh and a feckin heater,as other tractor had feck all

roosterman71 · 05-05-2018 08:22PM

leg wax wrote: »

312 with loader, front and cab suspension ,oh the comfort ,oh and a feckin heater,as other tractor had feck all

Sweet! That is the setup I'd be thinking myself, though could probably live without the suspension :pac:

White Clover · 05-05-2018 09:04PM

As I was reading the OP, I was in fear that roosterman was going to say that the Leyland was getting the gate!

roosterman71 · 05-05-2018 09:24PM

White Clover wrote: »

As I was reading the OP, I was in fear that roosterman was going to say that the Leyland was getting the gate!

If I could I would! That and many other yokes lying around the place

orchard farm · 05-05-2018 09:32PM

Valtra!

riemann · 06-05-2018 12:01AM

It's far from a science I know, but how much land would a man usually have that spends upwards of 50k on a new tractor?

Down our way its only contractors with new machines of that size

Grueller · 06-05-2018 12:25AM

riemann wrote: »

It's far from a science I know, but how much land would a man usually have that spends upwards of 50k on a new tractor?

Down our way its only contractors with new machines of that size

I am contemplating it at the moment.
Here is the thinking. I have high value off farm employment. This leaves me paying 40% tax.
I have a tractor worth €22k to trade in. €75k minus €22k is €53k cost to me. Over 5 years the payments are circa €11k per year. Now write off the 40% tax. It now costs me €6600 per year. At the end of the cycle I have a 5 year old tractor with 2000ish hours. I will get another 15 years at least from her.
BTW I farm 135 acres.

Edited to say I am contemplating it for 2019.

visatorro · 06-05-2018 06:38AM

Grueller wrote: »

I am contemplating it at the moment.
Here is the thinking. I have high value off farm employment. This leaves me paying 40% tax.
I have a tractor worth €22k to trade in. €75k minus €22k is €53k cost to me. Over 5 years the payments are circa €11k per year. Now write off the 40% tax. It now costs me €6600 per year. At the end of the cycle I have a 5 year old tractor with 2000ish hours. I will get another 15 years at least from her.
BTW I farm 135 acres.

Edited to say I am contemplating it for 2019.

135 acres and plenty of water

A new playtoy - 181/2 Tractor

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