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I've SWITCHed! - General discussion - WARNING IN POST 1

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  • #6482
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Sonic, 2, 3, &Knuckles plus Mania are all pretty great tbh.
    The GBA and DS 2d games are decent as well.
    Avoid the 3D efforts tbh, bar Sonic Generations which seems to be the least terrible of that series.
    I wouldn't be too hard on the series either, while more recent decades have compared poorly to the Mario games the 90s 16bit games are great.


  • #6483
    Asus X540L
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Asus X540L


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Sonic, 2, 3, &Knuckles plus Mania are all pretty great tbh.
    The GBA and DS 2d games are decent as well.
    Avoid the 3D efforts tbh, bar Sonic Generations which seems to be the least terrible of that series.
    I wouldn't be too hard on the series either, while more recent decades have compared poorly to the Mario games the 90s 16bit games are great.

    I don't accept any of that, Cider.


  • #6484
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Asus X540L wrote: »
    I don't accept any of that, Cider.

    Well opinions are like... thingys, everyone has one...

    So, good luck with yours.

    But...

    Historically, the 16 bit Sonic games have been very well reviewed, even with the SMB3/SMW to compare them too.

    In fact, it might be fair to say that, in terms of actual platforming games of the era, there was one on the NES, SMB3, and one on the SNES, SMW, and the rest were nice but, well nice.
    The Megadrive had 3 pretty great platformers, not including the Knuckles add on which was a full game expansion of the 3rd Sonic title.
    This isn't taking into account the pretty decent conversion process, bringing both ports and original platformers to the Game Gear/Master System.

    I know Retr0 and others have considered the GBA/DS 2D Sonic titles to be weak due to amount of memorising needed to navigate the sudden death gaps in the levels, but I really quite like them all, and also enjoy the Neo Geo Pocket Sonic game that came before them.

    So, all in all, the 16bit Sonic titles can more that hold their heads up in Mario's company, in my humble opinion.


    Oh, and I own and can play pretty much all of them on original hardware as well, so I know what I'm talking about...


  • #6485
    Asus X540L
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Asus X540L


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »

    So, all in all, the 16bit Sonic titles can more that hold their heads up in Mario's company


    They can in their hoop.


  • #6486
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,426 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Asus X540L wrote: »
    They can in their hoop.

    Succinctly put, but I agree.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • #6487
    Banjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Banjo


    I've tried to like Sonic, I really have, but aside from adventure battle 2 on the Cube - which is redeemed by Chao races and those awful songs I'm still singing a decade and a half later - it's all just ****e. Flashy, and fun to watch over a shoulder but ultimately devoid of entertainment.

    Looks like there's a reasonable amount of crossover with the DKTF doubters, which relies on similar frustration mechanics that I just don't click with. So I guess I will never understand what people see in Sonic


  • #6488
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,779 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Asus X540L wrote: »
    They can in their hoop.

    They can in their gold bleedin rings.


  • #6489
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Sonic doesn't come near Mario in platforming quality terms imo. The speed thing was sufficiently enough to separate the two and allow both to be without exact comparison, but I don't think 16 bit Sonic holds up to Mario at all. Everyone remembers their own things fondly of course but for me Sonic's quality wasn't nearly as good.


  • #6490
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Corholio wrote: »
    Sonic doesn't come near Mario in platforming quality terms imo. The speed thing was sufficiently enough to separate the two and allow both to be without exact comparison, but I don't think 16 bit Sonic holds up to Mario at all. Everyone remembers their own things fondly of course but for me Sonic's quality wasn't nearly as good.

    I’m 100% on the same page, never got into Sonic back in the days.

    I bought Sonic Mania on the Switch to give it another try as an adult and see if there is something I wasn’t getting back then, and going through the first level I found it fine but not amazing and definitly still nowhere near Mario. I kind of parked it as I was busy with Doom and SMO and will have to spend more time on it to properly give it another chance though.


  • #6491
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Oh, and I own and can play pretty much all of them on original hardware as well, so I know what I'm talking about...

    thinking-face_1f914.png


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  • #6492
    Banjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Banjo


    I hope you're not suggesting he's listening to Sonic but he can never hear Sonic....


  • #6493
    ERG89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Sonic always struck me as one series that people talk about being great but it if it ever was it was very brief.
    Majority of games are poor especially anything done beyond 2D. Played Sonic on the GBA, Mega drive, DS & even Generations on 360 I'd struggle to think of many memorable moments or levels between them. Maybe it was considered great on Sega systems but there was far too many good games on other consoles to waste time playing through many of them.


  • #6494
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I possibly should have known better, this being a Nintendo forum and all, but there isn't a Sega forum anymore!
    Still, I am in no way disparaging the Mario series, just not getting the disdain for the Sonic games, at least those on the MD


  • #6495
    Star Lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    The first "console" game I owned was Sonic on the Game Gear, which was something of a technical marvel at the time, and I enjoyed it and it's sequel. At the time, I found it hard to play Mario (on a friend's SNES) as he just felt so slow, too slow (I obviously hadn't twigged holding a button would make Mario run!).

    The test of time is the real delimiter, as to be perfectly honest, the Sonic games, while still good, aren't a patch on the Mario games. I think even the weaker of the 2D Mario platformers are better than the strongest of the Sonic games. The 3D games... Well they don't even bear considering alongside the 3D Mario titles, as much as I wanted them to, they just couldn't hold a candle to Mario.

    The Mario games were carefully crafted and honed experiences. The Sonic games were spectacle, and ultimately, style over substance, and more series of ways to impede Sonic, and irritating traps that would come on screen at difficult to avoid points (deliberately), and blind jumps, leaps of faith into the sky hoping there'd be something on the other side. Sometimes there would be, sometimes there wouldn't be anything but a void.

    Or a hang-glider level...


  • #6496
    wheresmahbombs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭wheresmahbombs


    It's no question that Mario has always been a more consistent franchise, whereas Sonic has had plenty of ups and downs.

    The closest Sonic can get to Mario is with the classic games (e.g. 2, 3&K, Mania).

    No 3D Sonic game has been able to best Mario's counterparts.
    Super Mario 64 was a finely-tuned first foray into 3D for the plumber, whereas Sonic Adventure had to make do with plenty of jank.
    With each subsequent 3D entry into each series, Mario has kept winning the battle.


  • #6497
    fixXxer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭fixXxer


    CiDeRmAn wrote:
    I possibly should have known better, this being a Nintendo forum and all, but there isn't a Sega forum anymore! Still, I am in no way disparaging the Mario series, just not getting the disdain for the Sonic games, at least those on the MD

    As someone who lived through the great Nintendo/Sega Console War, you should know that prejudices can't be set aside so easily


  • #6498
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I avoided it by being an adult at the time and cycling through all the available consoles, eventually hanging onto them all.

    I do love Super Mario World, and it's better than all of the Sonic games on the MD, but then it's pretty much better than anything.

    I still think Sonic, and my favourite is Sonic 3, is a decent game, but even then it lacks the complexity of SMW.

    And, concerning weaker Mario games, SMB2 is just terrible, at least in my experience, and I have never enjoyed it at all.
    SMB and SMB3 are fantastic, but even then there are times I'd rather be playing Super Metroid.


  • #6499
    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Still loving my switch, still playing xenoblade 2 , 72hours ,chapter 7, great game really enjoying it, what would be the chances of the first xenoblade game that came to Wii and xenoblade chronicles x coming to switch?


    After this I have Zelda to look forward to :).


  • #6500
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Some announcements on the online service: https://www.engadget.com/2018/05/08/nintendo-switch-online-announcement/

    They say cloud saves are coming in September ... finally :-)


  • #6501
    Mr E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,729 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057869704


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  • #6502
    Asus X540L
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Asus X540L


    Twenty bucks for the year plus twenty nes games Nintendo finally on the ball


  • #6503
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Virtual Console Is Not Coming To Switch, Nintendo Says [Kotaku]

    Probably the second mis-step Nintendo have made for the Switch.

    On second thought, they never outright say older games aren't coming. Just that they won't be branded as "Virtual Console".

    Third thought: who's looking forward to the N64 Mini and the GameCube Mini?


  • #6504
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    [Deleted User] wrote: »

    Third thought: who's looking forward to the N64 Mini and the GameCube Mini?

    I don’t know how realistic an expectation it is (maybe not very much), but what would be great is for those games to be remastered and run in 1080p resolution on a large TV.


  • #6505
    fixXxer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭fixXxer


    N64 Mini I could happily skip. A Mini Gamecube though.... That would be tempting.


  • #6506
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Bob24 wrote: »
    I don’t know how realistic an expectation it is (maybe not very much), but what would be great is for those games to be remastered and run in 1080p resolution on a large TV.

    1. You really don't want to see N64 games on a large TV at 1080p.
    And if they are remastered to the point of playability on such a display, well, it's not really an N64 anymore, is it?

    2. Want to play Gamecube games on a fancy telly?
    Buy a Wii and one of these link


  • #6507
    fixXxer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭fixXxer


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    2. Want to play Gamecube games on a fancy telly?
    Buy a Wii and one of these

    Noooooooooooo! Now I'm going to up all night trying to put together a top 20 Gamecube game list and trawling through eBay.


  • #6508
    Kylo Ren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭Kylo Ren


    Is the Switch one of, if not the only, major console in recent memory to have no way to back up saves without having to spend money??

    I'm trying to think and they all have/had either cloud saves and/or memory cards/hard drives.


  • #6509
    Cecelia Puny U-boat
    Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Cecelia Puny U-boat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Virtual Console Is Not Coming To Switch, Nintendo Says [Kotaku]

    Probably the second mis-step Nintendo have made for the Switch.

    On second thought, they never outright say older games aren't coming. Just that they won't be branded as "Virtual Console".

    Third thought: who's looking forward to the N64 Mini and the GameCube Mini?

    This was always going to be the case. The revenue made from the SNES and NES mini pretty much killed off the VCbeing honest I got way more use out of my SNES mini than I ever did with VC titles.

    It's the feel of it being it's own console with its own controllers that I love about it.


  • #6510
    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Is golf story worth a look?


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  • #6511
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sephiroth_dude wrote: »
    Is gold story worth a look?

    I'm guessing you mean Golf Story?

    Anyway, if you enjoyed Mario Golf, you'll like it. I'd find it very hard to recommend outside that.


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