Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Pinch Flat · 30-04-2018 10:54AM

PaulieC wrote: »

It looks like you need to yield at the end of the bus lane and that the 'normal' lane has right of way. Signaling doesn't give you right of way (as I am tired of telling taxi drivers).

Maybe I am misunderstanding where you were when he drove past you.

So I've looked back on my camera footage. It's a rear facing camera.

Driver actually was behind me for about 300 - 400 meters. Initially when leaving my own estate. I pulled away from him at the roundabout before. Maybe that could have enraged him. A guy on a bike in front? how dare he.

Where the incident occurred, I indicated with him at least 30 - 40 meters or so behind me. I'm familiar that you have to give way to oncoming traffic, but what's reasonable? If he was 5 meters behind I'd understand, but surely someone on a bike that's well lit and a good 40 meters in front, signally and and visible for a few minutes before would have registered? anyway giving his attitude, seems like he enjoyed the confrontation. Punishment passes is obviously his thing in his little Nissan Tilda.

He still proceeded to ignore my signal, barge past me and continue on his way. His argument as that I was 100% in the wrong, signalling incorrectly (how did he know I wasn't turning right?). Don't have the time at the moment to put footage / pictures up, will try later.

Thinkingaboutit · 30-04-2018 10:56AM

Almost a standard thing, a '12 white Prius taxi, sign not on (so not meant to use the lane), driven very close by on Clanbrassil St, ie on the cycle lane with nothing to his right, and I was in that iffy cycle lane. I see the purpose of front/rear camera, and my contempt for that category of motorist is re-enforced, a very high proportion of aggressive, threatening drivers. There are far too many of them. That Mary Harney de-regulation has worked out very badly.

site_owner · 30-04-2018 11:02AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Where the incident occurred, I indicated with him at least 30 - 40 meters or so behind me. I'm familiar that you have to give way to oncoming traffic, but what's reasonable?

thats not on. the way you describe that there was room and he actively made an effort to block you rather than just not easing off to you let you out which is what i had pictured.

i can imagine if it was a car or bus to his left that he wouldn't have moved forward like that and instead left the gap open.

site_owner · 30-04-2018 11:32AM

one of my own encouters, of many at the weekend.
this annoyed me becuase of the amount of time that had passed since the lights had changed. the white jeep and the goldish saloon also broke the red but silver hatchback really was taing the piss.

amber for 5 seconds, red for 2 more, green for me to go.

i think i missed him in my line of sight while the jeep was running the light, or thought he was going to stop, but i was able to stop on time to avoid getting hit.

Pinch Flat · 30-04-2018 11:32AM

Here's the amount Nissan Tilda man had. I'm probably 20 or so meters from merging, indicating right.

https://imgur.com/a/09uGRU2

CramCycle · 30-04-2018 12:00PM

AK55 wrote: »

Was out on a group cycle in meath saturday morning. About ten of us cycling two abreast on a narrow
twisty country road . As we were coming up to a blind we were dangerously overtaken by another cycling group
also two abreast and about the same size.Thought this was very bad form and if a car had of come round the corner there would have been carnage. All because they like motorists couldnt wait a few seconds for a straight run.

Shocking, did you get the club jersey? I would report in to their secretary if you did. Very few groups or clubs would tolerate that stupidity.

RacoonQueen · 30-04-2018 12:25PM

That's insane, even on my own I will sit behind a group until A) I have a clear run and

until I'm sure that I can clear them and open a gap rather than them having to overtake me again 1k up the road.

Internet Friend · 02-05-2018 09:33AM

Almost taken out by a taxi this morning here. Taxi appeared to be proceeding straight, I was 2/3m behind him to his left. Taxi did the old signal and turn immediately routine into the square after the bridge at the CHQ building (turn off where the cyclist is in the google maps link above). Grabbed a handful of the brakes, went sliding cause of the wet roads and just about managed to stay upright somehow, otherwise I was going under his car. Close one, had me a little rattled the rest of the way to work.

Lambay island · 02-05-2018 09:40AM

Internet Friend wrote: »

Almost taken out by a taxi this morning here. Taxi appeared to be proceeding straight, I was 2/3m behind him to his left. Taxi did the old signal and turn immediately routine into the square after the bridge at the CHQ building (turn off where the cyclist is in the google maps link above). Grabbed a handful of the brakes, went sliding cause of the wet roads and just about managed to stay upright somehow, otherwise I was going under his car. Close one, had me a little rattled the rest of the way to work.

Horrible spot around there. Its usually cars or buses trying to pass you while on that bridge type structure where cycle lane disappears that causes most issues. I have also seen cars come out of that turn and take an illegal right over that island in your pic.

Internet Friend · 02-05-2018 09:58AM

Lambay island wrote: »

Horrible spot around there. Its usually cars or buses trying to pass you while on that bridge type structure where cycle lane disappears that causes most issues. I have also seen cars come out of that turn and take an illegal right over that island in your pic.

Yeah, I'm pretty comfortable and careful going down the quays but that spot is a choke point that I'm always extra careful of for this very reason. All happened way too fast for me to even process that he was stopping, but it probably would have been pointless me stopping and having a word with him anyway.

Rechuchote · 02-05-2018 10:13AM

The quays are anarchic hell.

Dublin Cycling is having a mass cycle on 3 June World Bicycle Day along the quays (not finalised yet, apparently, but probably by a circuitous route from the Áras to Leinster House.

3 June is a Sunday, the day that half of the cyclists killed off their bikes last year died.

Alanstrainor · 02-05-2018 10:45AM

Was passed aggressively by a Fingal County Council van/truck this morning. Too close and approaching traffic on the opposite side of the road meant they pulled in close in front of me. The kicker was seeing a big banner on the back of the van:

"Stayin’ Alive at 1.5M, PASS WITH CARE"

With cyclist/overtaking logo. Feck sake.

mr spuckler · 02-05-2018 10:55AM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Was passed aggressively by a Fingal County Council van/truck this morning. Too close and approaching traffic on the opposite side of the road meant they pulled in close in front of me. The kicker was seeing a big banner on the back of the van:

"Stayin’ Alive at 1.5M, PASS WITH CARE"

With cyclist/overtaking logo. Feck sake.

hadn't they teamed up with Phil Skelton / the stayin alive campaign a couple of months ago? pretty sure they also started erecting roadside signs with the staying alive campaign graphic on it.
definitely worth an email to both the council and Phil to highlight it imo.

Pinch Flat · 02-05-2018 11:22AM

Rechuchote wrote: »

The quays are anarchic hell.

Dublin Cycling is having a mass cycle on 3 June World Bicycle Day along the quays (not finalised yet, apparently, but probably by a circuitous route from the Áras to Leinster House.

3 June is a Sunday, the day that half of the cyclists killed off their bikes last year died.

Agree that the quays are out of control. The bus lane is heavily ignored by motorists from the four courts on. Tailgated almost every morning there now. Likewise on the southern quays - some fool in a white van yesterday. Taxis seem to take an enjoyment out of skimming cyclists as close as possible as well.

Rechuchote · 02-05-2018 11:36AM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Was passed aggressively by a Fingal County Council van/truck this morning. Too close and approaching traffic on the opposite side of the road meant they pulled in close in front of me. The kicker was seeing a big banner on the back of the van:

"Stayin’ Alive at 1.5M, PASS WITH CARE"

With cyclist/overtaking logo. Feck sake.

Remember that many people who drive for a living are very, very stupid.

eeeee · 02-05-2018 11:39AM

Rechuchote wrote: »

Remember that many people who drive for a living are very, very stupid.

That is absolutely untrue, and an incrediby rude and ignorant statement to make.

williestroker1 · 02-05-2018 12:03PM

Rechuchote wrote: »

Remember that many people who drive for a living are very, very stupid.

Unfortunately this is my experience as well.

Lambay island · 02-05-2018 12:07PM

nee wrote: »

That is absolutely untrue, and an incrediby rude and ignorant statement to make.

In fairness, the poster is saying many which could mean anything from 1% to 99% so they are technically correct. I find most Dublin bus drivers are very good but there are still many plain ignorant people driving buses too.

magicbastarder · 02-05-2018 12:16PM

nee wrote: »

That is absolutely untrue, and an incrediby rude and ignorant statement to make.

i dunno if the poster intended to imply that they're more likely to be stupid, but i read it as there are stupid drivers, as there are stupid people in all walks of life. except perhaps rocket scientists.

02-05-2018 12:30PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

So I've looked back on my camera footage. It's a rear facing camera.

Driver actually was behind me for about 300 - 400 meters. Initially when leaving my own estate. I pulled away from him at the roundabout before. Maybe that could have enraged him. A guy on a bike in front? how dare he.

Where the incident occurred, I indicated with him at least 30 - 40 meters or so behind me. I'm familiar that you have to give way to oncoming traffic, but what's reasonable? If he was 5 meters behind I'd understand, but surely someone on a bike that's well lit and a good 40 meters in front, signally and and visible for a few minutes before would have registered? anyway giving his attitude, seems like he enjoyed the confrontation. Punishment passes is obviously his thing in his little Nissan Tilda.

He still proceeded to ignore my signal, barge past me and continue on his way. His argument as that I was 100% in the wrong, signalling incorrectly (how did he know I wasn't turning right?). Don't have the time at the moment to put footage / pictures up, will try later.

I know its hard to take, but you were completely wrong. You weren't turning right and you didn't yield as per the markings.

eeeee · 02-05-2018 12:31PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i dunno if the poster intended to imply that they're more likely to be stupid, but i read it as there are stupid drivers, as there are stupid people in all walks of life. except perhaps rocket scientists.

My mistake if this is the intention, but it reads to me like "many many people who drive for a living are stupid" which is so wrong I don't even know where to begin!
That idiots drive there is no doubt, but there are as many idiots in driving jobs as any other job. It's not profession specific!

Rechuchote · 02-05-2018 01:01PM

Many stupid professional drivers is my experience. Not so much Dublin Bus drivers - plenty of them intelligent, careful and charming - but perhaps jobs that don't have so much human interactions like delivery drivers, long-distance truckers and so on require less keen decision-making skill…

I'm speaking as someone who interacts daily (as do most here) with taxi drivers, van drivers and truckers who "didn't see you, sorry", close-pass, carve up and sometimes swear at the cyclists they pass.

Pinch Flat · 02-05-2018 01:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know its hard to take, but you were completely wrong. You weren't turning right and you didn't yield as per the markings.

I disagree. The motorist approached me from about 30 - 50 meters or so. Plenty of time to see what I wax up to. I indicated in ample time - as a bus or any othe vehicle would merging from this lane - but the motorist chose to ignore my signal and continue to barge through. How was the motorist not to know I was turning right anyway? Or would it be acceptable just to drive into the rear of a motorised vehicle indicting in this situation?

I’ll be taking the footage to the gardai. Let’s see what they come back with.

benjamin d · 02-05-2018 01:17PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I disagree. The motorist approached me from about 30 - 50 meters or so. Plenty of time to see what I wax up to. I indicated in ample time - as a bus or any othe vehicle would merging from this lane - but the motorist chose to ignore my signal and continue to barge through. How was the motorist not to know I was turning right anyway? Or would it be acceptable just to drive into the rear of a motorised vehicle indicting in this situation?

I’ll be taking the footage to the gardai. Let’s see what they come back with.

Im not going to wade into the debate about who was right or wrong there but in a situation like that where the road markings leave inadequate space to comfortably merge I'd be taking the car lane well before it was an issue.

Merging lanes like that with no lead in or leeway are lethal for cyclists and I make sure I avoid them at all costs. It's sometimes to the annoyance of cars following but I'd rather mildly irritate someone than have them squeeze me off the road.

Eamonnator · 02-05-2018 01:22PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i dunno if the poster intended to imply that they're more likely to be stupid, but i read it as there are stupid drivers, as there are stupid people in all walks of life. except perhaps rocket scientists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3wZRdg-Tmo

You might wanna give that a rethink.

Pinch Flat · 02-05-2018 01:25PM

benjamin d wrote: »

Im not going to wade into the debate about who was right or wrong there but in a situation like that where the road markings leave inadequate space to comfortably merge I'd be taking the car lane well before it was an issue.

Merging lanes like that with no lead in or leeway are lethal for cyclists and I make sure I avoid them at all costs. It's sometimes to the annoyance of cars following but I'd rather mildly irritate someone than have them squeeze me off the road.

Thing is though, there’s a good 150 meters run up to this roundabout. Plenty of time for a motorist to see a cyclist and vice versa, So if I “take the lane” without using the bus / cycle lane, I fall foul to motorists complaining I’m “holding them up”, and will probably be undertaken (given my experience in similar situations).

I believe I approached this correctly - the rules of the road state in a yield situation that “you must slow down, but you do not have to stop completely unless you need to wait for oncoming traffic to pass”. So if I was to wait for all traffic to pass, it’d be a long morning there. The driver was being an arse and just couldn’t tolerate waiting less than 5 seconds for me to get through a tight roundabout.

As I said any other vehicle and it wouldn’t be an issue. But a bike “holding someone up” for less than 5 seconds and these dick moves seem justified.

site_owner · 02-05-2018 01:29PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

any other vehicle and it wouldn’t be an issue. But a bike “holding someone up” for less than 5 seconds and these dick moves seem justified.

i agree with you, if it was a bus/taxi or even a queue skipping car someone would leave room (maybe not this guy, maybe he is an allround jerk) but in this case he made the effort to keep you blocked.

eeeee · 02-05-2018 01:36PM

Rechuchote wrote: »

Many stupid professional drivers is my experience. Not so much Dublin Bus drivers - plenty of them intelligent, careful and charming - but perhaps jobs that don't have so much human interactions like delivery drivers, long-distance truckers and so on require less keen decision-making skill…

I'm speaking as someone who interacts daily (as do most here) with taxi drivers, van drivers and truckers who "didn't see you, sorry", close-pass, carve up and sometimes swear at the cyclists they pass.

You are in actuality very, very wrong.
There are bad drivers in all vehicles, I interact with professional drivers as you do every day, and don't find them any more negligent or brilliant than regular drivers. I have as many interactions with both.

As to your assumptions based on intelligence I actually can't even. It's screamingly obvious that you don't know anyone or very few people who drive for a living. I know a lot. A vast proportion of my family do it. My father drove a lorry for 40 years. I grew up in and around HGV's. None of the hundreds of professional drivers I have met in the course of my life have lacked intelligence any more than the rest of the population. Denouncing someone's intelligence on the basis of the job they do is wilfully ignorant, short-sighted and arrogant at best. There is so much wrong with that assumption I don't actually even know where to start.

benjamin d · 02-05-2018 01:37PM

That's precisely why you should have taken the lane before the dashed line/yield section. By staying in the bus lane to that point you'd ceded right of way whereas if you'd entered the car lane ten metres earlier it wouldn't have been an issue. If I'm ever in a situation on the bike where staying in the bike lane or bus lane means I technically lose right of way I will never allow myself to stay in that position.

What Username Guidelines · 02-05-2018 01:49PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

...and will probably be undertaken (given my experience in similar situations).

I'd agree, and being undertaken a very unpleasant experience. I've a ropey junction on my commute which caused me so many near misses I take an alternative route most days.

Here where the silver car is, lane splits from one into three, two for left and one for right. I wanna head right. Move too early (at the split) and I'll be undertaken. Usually nearly clipped as the motorist realises I'm doing 35-40km/h and there's a line of traffic at the lights they need to get into. Move too late and I have to cross 2 lanes. Road is 60 and very hard to find a decent gap.

There is a ped crossing about 100m back that I'm tempted to hit as I pass, to hold traffic back too

but in classic irish road design, it's awfully placed and backs traffic back onto a very busy roundabout, and I'm not sure about the legal (or moral) stance on that idea. Alternative route prob best.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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