Garda making up numbers again

weldoninhio wrote: »

So they sent a file to the DPP, and a judge advised them to make the guy pay you??

All within 5 days.

Common practice and nothing wrong with it. Are you saying that if you were the injured party, you wouldn't settle ? Yeah right you wouldn't.

Swanner wrote: »

Well to get back on topic I trust revenue a whole lot more then I trust the Gardai.

They just seem to be a bit better at counting

But then it is their core business

The Gardai would have been disqualified from any maths paper for cheating..

The gardai didn't tally up the numbers in the breathalysing tests. That was done by civilians.

Swanner wrote: »

That's not true. The report found that in a significant number of cases gardai had simply made the numbers up. One of the reasons this whole stinking affair came to light was because a civilian informed the RSA that they had watched a Guard blow into a breath test machine and record his own test on the pulse system.

The majority of the the data recording was done by civilians in pulse offices etc. And it was fairly innocuous also, not a deliberate fraud.

Swanner wrote: »

I don't know what your source is but it's incorrect.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-latest-report-into-the-garda-breath-test-scandal-36283202.html

According to that report, my sources were entirely correct.

'There was a lack of precision in recording the number of breath tests administered and a sense "across the organisation" that such precision wasn't important' - it was pulse that recorded the numbers, not that gardai. They asked gardai how many were breathalysed but apparently no one thought precision was required so the gardai estimate was nearly always rounded up.

The involvement of large numbers of both Gardai and Garda management in this scandal isn't in dispute.

Even the Gardai don't dispute it..

You also conveniently forgot to quote the following findings..

An independent report into the garda breath test scandal has found that there were almost 1.9 million breath tests recorded in an “inaccurate and dishonest” way by large numbers of gardaí for almost a decade.

Policing Authority chairperson Josephine Feehily said there was “widespread falsification of the figures by a large number of gardaí” and her organisation wanted to see all Garda members and staff embrace the code of ethics.

I wish it were different. I know some great Guards both personally and professionally and i'm embarrassed for them as they're honest guys trying to do an honest job. But the force they work for is rotten to the core from the top down and they'd tell you that themselves when no-one is listening.

We've had scandal upon scandal upon scandal since the 70's and the culture remains exactly as it was back then. We've had minsters being sacked, commissioner's "stepping down" following late night visits from senior civil servants, Then Noirin goes on an extended holiday and does a bunk while she's at it..

You couldn't make it up.

But sure trust away there.

I have a large bridge for sale if you're interested..

Swanner wrote: »

The involvement of large numbers of both Gardai and Garda management in this scandal isn't in dispute.

Even the Gardai don't dispute it..

You also conveniently forgot to quote the following findings..

An independent report into the garda breath test scandal has found that there were almost 1.9 million breath tests recorded in an “inaccurate and dishonest” way by large numbers of gardaor almost a decade.

Policing Authority chairperson Josephine Feehily said there was “widespread falsification of the figures by a large number of garda/B] and her organisation wanted to see all Garda members and staff embrace the code of ethics.

I wish it were different. I know some great Guards both personally and professionally and i'm embarrassed for them as they're honest guys trying to do an honest job. But the force they work for is rotten to the core from the top down and they'd tell you that themselves when no-one is listening.

We've had scandal upon scandal upon scandal since the 70's and the culture remains exactly as it was back then. We've had minsters being sacked, commissioner's "stepping down" following late night visits from senior civil servants, Then Noirin goes on an extended holiday and does a bunk while she's at it..

You couldn't make it up.

But sure trust away there.

I have a large bridge for sale if you're interested..

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The "falsifying" was fairly simple -

pulse: how many tests did you do today?
gardai: i don't know, i wasn't really counting, 15 or 20?
pulse: grand, i'll stick in 20 so.

The findings don't disprove what i was told, i didn't forget anything. My sources are all gardai I know personally very well, they may be lying to me but i would be surprised as they are very candid on other issues in the force.

Swanner wrote: »

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the that point.

Sure thing. I do agree that senior staff have a hell of a lot to answer for with regards to transparency etc.