Charity

decky1 · 27-04-2018 11:37am #1

Does anyone have a problem giving to charities when they know what the CEO'S of these charities get for wages? i found out lately and will not give to any now, People always calling to the house expecting you to sign up for 5 a week/ month etc , when i bring this up some get quiet annoyed, others pretend they don't know anything about it, i know that someone has to run these charities but some ceo's are on stupid money , would be nice to give money and know a good % went to the right place,40+ years ago we were bringing pennies to school for the people in Africa here we are today and their still starving.:mad:

corner of hells · 27-04-2018 11:47am

I don't think we've ever discussed charities before.Should be interesting.

El Weirdo · 27-04-2018 11:49am

Graces7 · 27-04-2018 11:52am

Try this ..

http://www.thejournal.ie/capuchin-day-centre-ceo-1243488-Dec2013/

I spent time with him at Ards and was impressed

I am blessed with extended family and their associates who work at the coal face of dire need. All I can spare goes directly to them and they live very simply and take no wages

So called "charity" has become big business .

Greyling · 27-04-2018 11:52am

decky1 wrote: »

Does anyone have a problem giving to charities when they know what the CEO'S of these charities get for wages? i found out lately and will not give to any now, People always calling to the house expecting you to sign up for 5 a week/ month etc , when i bring this up some get quiet annoyed, others pretend they don't know anything about it, i know that someone has to run these charities but some ceo's are on stupid money , would be nice to give money and know a good % went to the right place,40+ years ago we were bringing pennies to school for the people in Africa here we are today and their still starving.:mad:

I'd much rather give my money to someone who's time is free.

Potential-Monke · 27-04-2018 11:53am

I don't give anything to any charity for that exact reason. When a charity comes along where 100% of donations go to the cause, then i'll maybe donate. Maybe. Probably not though.

jamesbere · 27-04-2018 11:54am

Well it's good your taking a stance, I'll sleep better at night. I was getting worried about you.

Graces7 · 27-04-2018 11:54am

decky1 wrote: »

Does anyone have a problem giving to charities when they know what the CEO'S of these charities get for wages? i found out lately and will not give to any now, People always calling to the house expecting you to sign up for 5 a week/ month etc , when i bring this up some get quiet annoyed, others pretend they don't know anything about it, i know that someone has to run these charities but some ceo's are on stupid money , would be nice to give money and know a good % went to the right place,40+ years ago we were bringing pennies to school for the people in Africa here we are today and their still starving.:mad:

An old man came to my market stall with that story;his pennies.So I told him he had don so well that man had grown up an had his own baby and now needed help.

Grayson · 27-04-2018 11:55am

There was a CEO of an charity a few years ago who people complained about. He was paid 100k a year. However he had increased their revenue through fund raising by millions.

He was worth it. They might have paid him more but think of the number of people who were helped.

I especially think that some charities should pay a lot. Think of MSF. Trying to run an organisation of that size needs someone who's highly skilled.

To sum up: I'm fine with them being paid loads if they're worth it.

Omackeral · 27-04-2018 11:58am

Some real chirpy chappy knocked at my door a while back and was trying to be a best mate type of character. He had the rain jacket, the lanyard, an iPad and smile that made me wanna punch him right into his wankpuffin-like face. Anyway, his opening line was “you look like a man who enjoys a cold one, do you drink chief?!”. Chief?!!!?? I’m just after nights and want none of this bollox. Also I think he may have called me fat. I said “why do you wanna know, what are ya getting at?” while also thinking who the fudge are ya. He goes, all chirpy of course, “for the price of a couple of pints, you could save 12 kids from superaids” or something to that effect. I just looked him dead in the eye and said “well chief, if you traded your iPad in for a clip board you could build a school probably”. He didn’t like that. I just said look I don’t give bank details out at my door to people I’ve never met, best of luck and goodnight.

Hector Bellend · 27-04-2018 12:00pm

Have a **** because charity begins at home.

km991148 · 27-04-2018 12:04pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I don't think we've ever discussed charities before.Should be interesting.

Its a forum. On the Internet. Almost everything has been discussed before. Just not by the exact same group of people.

SEPT 23 1989 · 27-04-2018 12:11pm

There is a reformed heroin connoisseur that goes around selling cakes in aid of something or other dont know if its a scam but the cakes are good

decky1 · 27-04-2018 12:13pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Some real chirpy chappy knocked at my door a while back and was trying to be a best mate type of character. He had the rain jacket, the lanyard, an iPad and smile that made me wanna punch him right into his wankpuffin-like face. Anyway, his opening line was “you look like a man who enjoys a cold one, do you drink chief?!”. Chief?!!!?? I’m just after nights and want none of this bollox. Also I think he may have called me fat. I said “why do you wanna know, what are ya getting at?” while also thinking who the fudge are ya. He goes, all chirpy of course, “for the price of a couple of pints, you could save 12 kids from superaids” or something to that effect. I just looked him dead in the eye and said “well chief, if you traded your iPad in for a clip board you could build a school probably”. He didn’t like that. I just said look I don’t give bank details out at my door to people I’ve never met, best of luck and goodnight.

any that call here are the same, full of life and shag all else to do at 8.30 in the evening i say now 'if your looking for money don't waste your time talking.'

super_furry · 27-04-2018 12:59pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

There is a reformed heroin connoisseur that goes around selling cakes in aid of something or other dont know if its a scam but the cakes are good

Is that because there's heroin in them? I could see how it would make them more-ish.

El Weirdo · 27-04-2018 1:39pm

super_furry wrote: »

Is that because there's heroin in them? I could see how it would make them more-ish.

Don't be silly. Everybody knows that it's cocaine that goes into cakes.

Pauliedragon · 27-04-2018 1:53pm

decky1 wrote: »

Does anyone have a problem giving to charities when they know what the CEO'S of these charities get for wages? i found out lately and will not give to any now, People always calling to the house expecting you to sign up for 5 a week/ month etc , when i bring this up some get quiet annoyed, others pretend they don't know anything about it, i know that someone has to run these charities but some ceo's are on stupid money , would be nice to give money and know a good % went to the right place,40+ years ago we were bringing pennies to school for the people in Africa here we are today and their still starving.:mad:

I don't trust them for that reason. I'm sure the big ones are legit but there are dodgy ones. When I lived in OZ a friend worked catering events and did a lot of charity functions. There are laws saying 86% (give or take) had to go to the people who needed it but it was still dodgy. There was one venue where the hiring fee for a one off function was something like 80k. Turns out it was a falling down hall and it was owned by the brother of the charity head. I give blood as my contribution. I also get a kick out of the fact there's a bunch of Aussies running around with my good ol' Celtic blood running thru them. That thought got me thru all the Paddy and Potato jokes

EdEd · 27-04-2018 1:57pm

Thanks to Angela Kerins I refuse to give money to charity.

decky1 · 27-04-2018 7:41pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

Don't be silly. Everybody knows that it's cocaine that goes into cakes.

What:eek: there was me thinking it was Hash.:rolleyes:

Bitches Be Trypsin · 27-04-2018 7:45pm

Sounds like a cliché but charity begins at home for me. I'd be much more comfortable helping a local cause, eg. doing a fundraiser for a local family to adapt a house for a disabled child, as opposed to direct debiting to Trocaire or whoever. I'm pretty broke too for the next year and get no support from anything, so it's hard to be motivated to donate anything!

BrookieD · 27-04-2018 7:49pm

decky1 wrote: »

Does anyone have a problem giving to charities when they know what the CEO'S of these charities get for wages? i found out lately and will not give to any now, People always calling to the house expecting you to sign up for 5 a week/ month etc , when i bring this up some get quiet annoyed, others pretend they don't know anything about it, i know that someone has to run these charities but some ceo's are on stupid money , would be nice to give money and know a good % went to the right place,40+ years ago we were bringing pennies to school for the people in Africa here we are today and their still starving.:mad:

Concern Worldwide = 90.7c in every euro donated, for example, is sent to relief and development in the areas its needed most. 6.7c on fundraising, 2.1c on education and .5c on governance including salaries of over 250 staff in Dublin. Let me say again - one half of one cent on governance!

For six years in a row, Concern's annual reports have won the Published Accounts Award for charities and not-for-profit organisations.

The award is organised by the Chartered Accountants Leinster Society and is for “excellence in financial reporting.”

Let's not tar all with one brush, insight is valuable

prinzeugen · 27-04-2018 7:52pm

I will give money to the RNLI and the Irish Cancer Society.

I will never, ever give a cent to any charity that pays chuggers €14 a hour to annoy me in the street or while I am doing my shopping in Tesco etc.

They need to sign up 156 people a month (giving €7 per month) just to cover a chuggers wages.

Donald Trump · 27-04-2018 7:53pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

Don't be silly. Everybody knows that it's cocaine that goes into cakes.

Cocaine. You mean raisins

decky1 · 28-04-2018 9:56pm

BrookieD wrote: »

Concern Worldwide = 90.7c in every euro donated, for example, is sent to relief and development in the areas its needed most. 6.7c on fundraising, 2.1c on education and .5c on governance including salaries of over 250 staff in Dublin. Let me say again - one half of one cent on governance!

For six years in a row, Concern's annual reports have won the Published Accounts Award for charities and not-for-profit organisations.

The award is organised by the Chartered Accountants Leinster Society and is for “excellence in financial reporting.”

Let's not tar all with one brush, insight is valuable

good call there , pity they were'nt all like that.

Graces7 · 29-04-2018 6:20am

BrookieD wrote: »

Concern Worldwide = 90.7c in every euro donated, for example, is sent to relief and development in the areas its needed most. 6.7c on fundraising, 2.1c on education and .5c on governance including salaries of over 250 staff in Dublin. Let me say again - one half of one cent on governance!

For six years in a row, Concern's annual reports have won the Published Accounts Award for charities and not-for-profit organisations.

The award is organised by the Chartered Accountants Leinster Society and is for “excellence in financial reporting.”

Let's not tar all with one brush, insight is valuable

Open to interpretation. Very misleading indeed.

Wanderer78 · 29-04-2018 6:47am

decky1 wrote:

Does anyone have a problem giving to charities when they know what the CEO'S of these charities get for wages? i found out lately and will not give to any now, People always calling to the house expecting you to sign up for 5 a week/ month etc , when i bring this up some get quiet annoyed, others pretend they don't know anything about it, i know that someone has to run these charities but some ceo's are on stupid money , would be nice to give money and know a good % went to the right place,40+ years ago we were bringing pennies to school for the people in Africa here we are today and their still starving.

When certain sectors of society entered the charity sector, effectively turning it into a business, it spelled the end of an extremely important element of human existence. It's extremely important they exist, but think wisely before donating, if you feel coerced during the process, walk away and feel no guilt or shame. Rather than donating your money to charities, maybe consider offering one of the most valuable things in life, time, your time.

29-04-2018 10:58am

The salaries don't bother me.

Certain countries' absolute lack of ability to organise themselves properly bothers me. Religions not advocating contraceptives bothers me.

It's not on us, or any charity, to fix Africa. Every success story in that continent has come from stable government. If other countries there can't do that, that's on them.

BuboBubo · 29-04-2018 11:00am

I was going to start up my own "charity related" thread, but I'm going to piggy-back on this rather excellent one instead.

Genuine question - has anyone else noticed all the schools/sports clubs/drama groups etc who are operating (masquerading?) as charities? My workplace selects 2 registered charities per year to fundraise for, both of 2018's nominations are schools (not special needs ones btw).

It used to be all about Africa/the poor/children or animals in need - what happened? Now it's irish dancing schools shaking tins at harassed grocery shoppers and sponsored walks in aid of soccer clubs.

eviltwin · 29-04-2018 11:21am

I've worked in the charity sector for the past ten years. Waste is the norm and was one of the reasons I left my last job. It's sickening to hear your manager on the radio complain about the lack of help for people when you see that same person put personal items on the company expense account.

I would encourage people to donate their time if they want to help. Don't give money. Most charities are crying out for boots on the ground and you will have more of an impact on the service users that way. Even a few hours a week makes a huge difference.

mikemac2 · 29-04-2018 11:23am

BuboBubo wrote: »

Genuine question - has anyone else noticed all the schools/sports clubs/drama groups etc who are operating (masquerading?) as charities? My workplace selects 2 registered charities per year to fundraise for, both of 2018's nominations are schools (not special needs ones

You won’t pay to send the local underage soccer club to a tournament in Germany and a free holiday for the tag along parents and coaches?

Heartless :pac:

29-04-2018 11:27am

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

Sounds like a cliché but charity begins at home for me. I'd be much more comfortable helping a local cause, eg. doing a fundraiser for a local family to adapt a house for a disabled child, as opposed to direct debiting to Trocaire or whoever. I'm pretty broke too for the next year and get no support from anything, so it's hard to be motivated to donate anything!

I’m all for supporting local good causes, but your example wouldn’t be one. There are grants available for adapting homes to cater for a disability.

corner of hells · 29-04-2018 11:34am

BuboBubo wrote: »

I was going to start up my own "charity related" thread, but I'm going to piggy-back on this rather excellent one instead.

Genuine question - has anyone else noticed all the schools/sports clubs/drama groups etc who are operating (masquerading?) as charities? My workplace selects 2 registered charities per year to fundraise for, both of 2018's nominations are schools (not special needs ones btw).

It used to be all about Africa/the poor/children or animals in need - what happened? Now it's irish dancing schools shaking tins at harassed grocery shoppers and sponsored walks in aid of soccer clubs.

I think all primary schools must register as a charity

BuboBubo · 01-05-2018 11:20pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I think all primary schools must register as a charity

Apparently so. They mustn't be getting enough money from the government. The "Blue Token" scheme in Tesco seems to be mainly primary schools and kids clubs too. Very few "traditional" charities being catered for.

RobbingBandit · 01-05-2018 11:25pm

I like those cakes from the guy in the hat they come with a powder blue icing sugar he always remembers to knock three times too, good auld Walt.

meeeeh · 01-05-2018 11:39pm

A large well run professional charity is less of a waste of money than five local care groups with their own management who can't join together because everyone has a different plan for fixing autism. I think there is also a problem of state farming out services that should be provided by state. Hospitals, schools and groups like Rehab are prime example. I'm very cynical about donations, some work better thank others. When being approached on the street I ignore all charities that I don't know exactly what their mission is and where/how they are operating.

RobbingBandit · 01-05-2018 11:47pm

meeeeh wrote: »

A large well run professional charity is less of a waste of money than five local care groups with their own management who can't join together because everyone has a different plan for fixing autism. I think there is also a problem of state farming out services that should be provided by state. Hospitals, schools and groups like Rehab are prime example. I'm very cynical about donations, some work better thank others. When being approached on the street I ignore all charities that I don't know exactly what their mission is and where/how they are operating.

No such thing as a fix for autism no such plans exist neither.

splinter65 · 01-05-2018 11:50pm

Just give to your local meals on wheels or small charities that visit old people living on their own and things like that.
They’re all volunteers so no one has to be paid .

meeeeh · 01-05-2018 11:51pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

No such thing as a fix for autism no such plans exist neither.

Really?!?

That's a shocking news...

splinter65 · 01-05-2018 11:53pm

mikemac2 wrote: »

You won’t pay to send the local underage soccer club to a tournament in Germany and a free holiday for the tag along parents and coaches?

Heartless :pac:

Or Mrs Maguires Irish Dancing School want to go to the Irish Dancing Competion in Leeds....give generously...

RobbingBandit · 01-05-2018 11:54pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Really?!?

That's a shocking news...

Bet your cats breath smells like cat food...................... ... ....... ......... .

meeeeh · 02-05-2018 12:00am

I never liked Simpsons...

decky1 · 02-05-2018 1:01pm

BuboBubo wrote: »

I was going to start up my own "charity related" thread, but I'm going to piggy-back on this rather excellent one instead.

Genuine question - has anyone else noticed all the schools/sports clubs/drama groups etc who are operating (masquerading?) as charities? My workplace selects 2 registered charities per year to fundraise for, both of 2018's nominations are schools (not special needs ones btw).

It used to be all about Africa/the poor/children or animals in need - what happened? Now it's irish dancing schools shaking tins at harassed grocery shoppers and sponsored walks in aid of soccer clubs.

we have a set of traffic lights in our town , that's where the so called charities gather with their buckets, they stare at you while: waiting to move off, don't think this should be allowed.:o

02-05-2018 3:24pm

decky1 wrote: »

we have a set of traffic lights in our town , that's where the so called charities gather with their buckets, they stare at you while: waiting to move off, don't think this should be allowed.:o

Those “so called charities” will have gotten a license to hold a bucket collection. You don’t have to donate if you don’t want. They are volunteers collecting for causes close to their hearts.

meeeeh · 02-05-2018 3:37pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Those “so called charities” will have gotten a license to hold a bucket collection. You don’t have to donate if you don’t want. They are volunteers collecting for causes close to their hearts.

They also cause traffic jams and are complete nuisance. You need health and safety assessment with method statement for every small project and yet a group of sheep with buckets can do what they like on the road.

murpho999 · 02-05-2018 4:12pm

This comes up all the time.

Some NGOs are huge organisations.

They employ thousands of people.

Organisations like Concern, as an Irish example, employ over 3000 people around the world. They have to comply with employment laws, taxation, HR policies, finance regulations, logistics travel etc etc.

Do you expect that to be done by people for nothing?

This cannot be done by voluntary pensioners. The commitment is too much.

People seen to think they just go to Africa and hand out food parcels an bottles of water but they do a hell of a lot more.

By the way, the CEO of Concern is paid €99k a year which is by no means excessive for the role they have.

Look at the recent Oxfam scandal, which was totally wrong but they required a fully professional CEO, HR dept and Legal team to handle and these people must be paid.

If people are not paid then they get less effective people in their organisation and the charity will be as successful in its aims to benefit others.

Samuel T. Cogley · 02-05-2018 4:57pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

There is a reformed heroin connoisseur that goes around selling cakes in aid of something or other dont know if its a scam but the cakes are good

Feck are we neighbours?

Got the local news letter from some TD muppet or other.

Kilbarrack got about 6K for pitches and Clontarf over 300K for the Yatch Club and something else. I donate to the local charities.

diomed · 02-05-2018 5:19pm

BrookieD wrote: »

Concern Worldwide = 90.7c in every euro donated, for example, is sent to relief and development in the areas its needed most. 6.7c on fundraising, 2.1c on education and .5c on governance including salaries of over 250 staff in Dublin. Let me say again - one half of one cent on governance!

For six years in a row, Concern's annual reports have won the Published Accounts Award for charities and not-for-profit organisations.

The award is organised by the Chartered Accountants Leinster Society and is for “excellence in financial reporting.”

Let's not tar all with one brush, insight is valuable

You say.
Unless I had access to all the accounting records I would not believe anything.

You say 90.7% of expenditure on Relief & Developement
You say 0.5% on Governance.
This is how you do that.
You call everyone a "development manager/executive" and charge their salaries as Developement.
Keep doing that with all head office / central expenses until you have 0.5% left as Governance.

BrookieD · 02-05-2018 5:45pm

diomed wrote: »

You say.
Unless I had access to all the accounting records I would not believe anything.

You say 90.7% of expenditure on Relief & Developement
You say 0.5% on Governance.
This is how you do that.
You call everyone a "development manager/executive" and charge their salaries as Developement.
Keep doing that with all head office / central expenses until you have 0.5% left as Governance.

you are a very ill-informed person, my friend...

here you go - also lots more if you want them all the way back to 2003 >>> https://www.concern.net/about/annual-reports

Flippyfloppy · 02-05-2018 5:50pm

Why do people only want to give to charities that uses solely unpaid volunteers? Why do people have to be completely unpaid to help others? Do you ever refuse to deal with other businesses that have paid/well paid employees?

diomed · 03-05-2018 6:52am

BrookieD wrote: »

you are a very ill-informed person, my friend...

here you go - also lots more if you want them all the way back to 2003 >>> https://www.concern.net/about/annual-reports

I am not your friend.
Before I responded to the previous post I downloaded and read the Concern accounts.
0.5% Governance is a nice, easy to remember, number to quote to the media and the public.
Do you seriously believe that after 200 million revenue and expenses the Governance figure just happens to be 0.5%?

Fwiw I was an accountant.
I've seen plenty of manipulation of figures, and contrary to general perception it is not the accountants who do the manipulation, it is operational management.

diomed · 03-05-2018 8:45am

In the 1970s I worked abroad for a few years.
My salary as an auditor was double my Irish salary.
But when I did the audit of a charitable organisation I found the saiaries of management were nine times my good salary, and they were paid in sterling.

How did this happen?
Increase salaries by local inflation rates every year (40% and 4% when I was there).
Everyone's a winner babe.

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