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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #812
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    I'm sorry you are leaving. If you don't feel like continuing posting in this thread or want to reply to my last post via PM please feel absolutely free to do so.

    To tell you the truth Rob i won't.

    It's exhausting replying to people who are trying to catch you out on every single post.

    I haven't all the answers regarding the definition of rape etc. But if i post something in, pardon the pun, embryonic stage, i'll be slated.

    I will PM though and as i've said earlier i totally accept the democratic will of the people. I have a traditional Christian approach to this but i would never leave a loved one to walk alone into an abortion or would i like to see that happen to anyone. I'm trying to deal in what i feel will be the best solution for all. At the end of the day we try to make decisions out of love.

    Thanks for the well wishes and i return them in kind. I will PM at some stage.


  • #813
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Tenley Witty Bulb wrote:
    Yes but you can be pro life and also support other people’s right to choose which is exactly what you seem to be describing with your family member? I agree that life isn’t black and white, this is exactly why we need to appeal. No one likes the idea of abortion but as you say there is grey areas and nothing is straight forward. Personally, I don’t know if I could ever have an abortion but I don’t know what’s up the line for me or my family members which is why I’m choosing to vote to repeal.


    I think many people are pro-life and pro-choice. A number of people on this thread have admitted to being uncomfortable with abortion but still pro-choice for the sake of others.


  • #814
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    You think politicians won't allow GPs to offer the service? :confused:

    No. Susie said there'd be no abortion clinics.


  • #815
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    No. Susie said there'd be no abortion clinics.

    And I agree with her. But I'm struggling to see how that's got anything to do with your trust or mistrust of politicians.


  • #816
    thee glitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    currently 26% would vote No to repeal with an equal number of undecided.

    There's no way No + Undecided = 52%. I'd say it's more like 70%+.


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  • #817
    BabysCoffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    erica74 wrote: »

    So you think a woman should be forced to carry her rapist's baby, I am mortified for you, absolutely mortified.

    So you think a baby should die because it's father is a rapist?


    I hope as many people as possible look at things from both perspectives and decide which should take priority.

    The woman who was raped is the person who gets to choose to continue the pregnancy or not.

    I am voting Yes to repeal because I would never expect my sisters, my niece, my friends, my colleagues to continue with a pregnancy if raped.

    I would support them in whatever they chose to do. This support would be compassionate and non judgemental.


  • #818
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    "The reason i don't want clinics here is i feel it will greatly raise the level of abortion. I feel voting No is for a greater good. Even though the hypothetical situation of my sister's rape would be better off dealt with at home."



    I'm not trying to give an individual poster a hard time, but the opinion expressed above is quite widespread, among "No" voters I have talked. The hardcore crowd with their pictures are small in number but if the referendum fails it will be due to the opinion expressed above
    I find that position hard to understand. If you think abortion is taking an innocent live you should own that position, and condemn anyone who does it.
    But deep down these no voters know that is not the case, they salve their conscience by talking about compassion for loved ones while simultaneously supporting draconian laws to deny them their choice.
    It is easy to be anti abortion in an abstract sense, less so when faced with the realities in your own life. In fairness to the poster he has acknowledged the dilemma, I just can't understand why this can't be extended to a national level


  • #819
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    But maybe you see it as an innocent life because the campaign for no has painted it that way. That's why these threads have gone around in circles. Posters are showing sleeping babies and fetuses sucking their thumbs. That's not what a 12 week feotus is at all.

    The woman is innocent. She has been raped and is now pregnant. It's an absolute horrendous crisis. How can she be left that way against her will?

    We're supposed to protect our young. That's what we're designed to do. But if the woman doesn't want to carry it, and this isn't some new age thing I am sure there are generations of past women who were forced to remain pregnant against their will, why should she have To? Women are not baby making machines. It is not a woman's sole purpose in life to bear children.

    For me Hannibal it has nothing got to do with any posters on polls. I just believe once a sperm and egg fuse you have a unique life.


  • #820
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    thee glitz wrote: »
    It's not that I am, but I don't favour the proposed legislation.



    I don't - I'm not a legislator at all. If it was to be done, and there are many who would be against it, having reported the rape would seem reasonable grounds to draw the line at.

    So do you belive that reporting the rape is where to draw the line for the woman and she should go no further?

    In answer to your origional question, retaining the 8th affects multiple levels of healthcare options for women, some that can lead to death because doctors don't know when to act to save the woman or face legal sanctions, down to life long physical pain, so it's not just rape and FFA as to why it needs to go.
    No one takes a decision to terminate a pregnancy lightly despite what some posters on here have said, if there were/are people like this they wouldn't be fit to be parents anyway.


  • #821
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    This post is all over the shop!
    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    I followed your situation Rob and offer my sympathies.

    The reason i don't want clinics here is i feel it will greatly raise the level of abortion. I feel voting No is for a greater good.

    So you’ve got sympathy for him and read how the 8th amendment forces this guy’s wife to endure months of pregnancy followed by certain miscarriages. But, you feel the 8th is serving a “greater good”. So despite your sympathy, in your opinion, he can just suck it up and deal with it? What kind of sympathy is that?

    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    Even though the hypothetical situation of my sister's rape would be better off dealt with at home.

    How in gods name will you “deal” with a rape pregnancy at home? Ship her off to England or guilt her into having her rapist’s baby?

    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    The whole area is so difficult. It's great to discuss with respectfull posters like yourself.

    Respectful discussions with a guy who gets your sympathy but not your help. What?
    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    I seriously fear the act being abused as a last means of contraception.

    Ah, your real issue. You are so caught up in worrying about contraception that you totally ignore the real issues that affect Rob’s partner and thousands of other women who are denied competent maternity care because of the 8th amendment.


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  • #822
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    RobertKK wrote: »
    On Prime time, Dr Eamon McGuinness the former chairman of the Institute of obstetricians and gynaecologists who is for retain, says he has carried out 4 terminations of pregnancies during his career here to save the lives of women and did it with the 8th amendment in place.
    Strange thing is the Yes doctor seems far more reserved when it comes to saving the life and talked about the 8th interfering.
    Maybe some doctors are better than others at their job when it comes tot he 8th. Some work fine within the law of the 8th amendment, others look for problems.

    That’s a whole lot of speculation right there.

    Four terminations is very few in a career. Maybe those women were on death’s door.


  • #823
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    BarleySweets wrote: »
    This post is all over the shop!



    So you’ve got sympathy for him and read how the 8th amendment forces this guy’s wife to endure months of pregnancy followed by certain miscarriages. But, you feel the 8th is serving a “greater good”. So despite your sympathy, in your opinion, he can just suck it up and deal with it? What kind of sympathy is that?




    How in gods name will you “deal” with a rape pregnancy at home? Ship her off to England or guilt her into having her rapist’s baby?




    Respectful discussions with a guy who gets your sympathy but not your help. What?



    Ah, your real issue. You are so caught up in worrying about contraception that you totally ignore the real issues that affect Rob’s partner and thousands of other women who are denied competent maternity care because of the 8th amendment.

    Rob himself can understand my posts and wishes me well. You take snippets from here and there out of context.

    Enough said. I repeat Rob and myself have had a reasoned respectfull discussion.


  • #824
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    This tactic again - make them feel like there something wrong with them/they are unwell

    must be straight from the handbook


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    ...........

    Maybe time you went to bed.


  • #825
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    gctest50 wrote: »
    This tactic again - make them feel like there something wrong with them/they are unwell

    must be straight from the handbook

    Your a non entity of a troll. Some great posters on here on both sides but you really let the Yes side down. When somebody repeats a point a bout posts 3 times i think it's good manners to inform them. You didn't quote the start of the post did you?

    When ignoramus like you get out debated or can't keep up they resort to slurs like calling posters abusers.

    Again you're a non entity of a troll. I reported you earlier for suggesting i abused women.


  • #826
    Hannibal_Smith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    For me Hannibal it has nothing got to do with any posters on polls. I just believe once a sperm and egg fuse you have a unique life.

    Fair enough. You have to vote the way you see fit, I just thought I'd ask.


  • #827
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Fair enough. You have to vote the way you see fit, I just thought I'd ask.

    You too Hannibal. Cheers mate.


  • #828
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    Your a non entity of a troll. Some great posters on here on both sides but you really let the Yes side down. When somebody repeats a point a bout posts 3 times i think it's good manners to inform them. You didn't quote the start of the post did you?

    When ignoramus like you get out debated or can't keep up they resort to slurs like calling posters abusers.

    Again you're a non entity of a troll. I reported you earlier for suggesting i abused women.

    10/10 ebayer would buy again


  • #829
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    gctest50 wrote: »
    10/10 ebayer would buy again

    What are you talking about? I'm stating again, if you cast any slurs about me, suggesting i abuse women...


  • #830
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kylith wrote: »
    I simply cannot understand how a person could look a woman who has been raped, violated in the worst way, and say ‘Are you _really_ the victim here?’ How could you try talk a woman into having a permanent reminder of the worst moment of her life?

    Similar enough to the so what were they wearing, how much did they have to drink, weren't they a bit silly to go do x,x,z statements often expressed on here in other threads


  • #831
    Zerbini Blewitt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Zerbini Blewitt


    joe40 wrote: »
    "The reason i don't want clinics here is i feel it will greatly raise the level of abortion. I feel voting No is for a greater good. Even though the hypothetical situation of my sister's rape would be better off dealt with at home."
    ......
    I find that position hard to understand. If you think abortion is taking an innocent live you should own that position, and condemn anyone who does it.
    But deep down these no voters know that is not the case, they salve their conscience by talking about compassion for loved ones while simultaneously supporting draconian laws to deny them their choice.
    It is easy to be anti abortion in an abstract sense, less so when faced with the realities in your own life. In fairness to the poster he has acknowledged the dilemma, I just can't understand why this can't be extended to a national level
    Yes, this is very common.

    I think it is woolly headed self-delusion.

    But ultimately, it is lazy stupidity.

    Harsh but true!


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  • #832
    bfa1509
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    erica74 wrote: »
    The rape victim is the victim.



    Well then, why are you trying to interfere in any woman's personal choice? Stay out of it, simple.



    I'm not really sure what you mean here. Are you somehow linking abortion with disabled people?



    So you want to prevent these women getting essential care here in Ireland because you hate all of the other women who might need an abortion?

    I think you are letting down your fellow pro-choicers with this post.


  • #833
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    This is pure gold :
    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    ...

    Your a non entity of a troll.
    Some great posters on here on both sides but you really let the Yes side down.

    That must be straight of the manual - text book stuff - alienate, isolate


    then move on to insults :

    ..
    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    ....

    When ignoramus like you get out debated or can't keep up



    make them feel worthless :
    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    ...

    Again you're a non entity of a troll.


    then finally some vague veiled threat :


    NAGDEFI wrote: »

    I'm stating again, if you cast any slurs about me, suggesting i abuse women...





    l
    NAGDEFI wrote: »

    What are you talking about?

    wrong tab, on ebay it's nice to leave good feedback if it arrived in good time


  • #834
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    It's just Kylith a lot of us see that foetus as a baby and innocent life. Yet we feel compassion for the woman. That's the crux of it.

    I respect your opinion, it's very logical and valid. I know people have trouble with mine.
    How can you feel compassion when you are willing to traumatise her for months, if not the rest of her life, in favour of something that at 12 weeks doesn’t even have a brain?

    And even she gives that baby over to the state and it goes into the foster system with the risk of abuse and rape there? The mental issues that go with being ‘abandoned’ or ‘unwanted’? Would you call potentially ruining two lives a good thing?


  • #835
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    Over and out. Good to debate with posters who can reason.

    Sadly, you yourself are not among their number.


  • #836
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    kylith wrote: »
    How can you feel compassion when you are willing to traumatise her for months, if not the rest of her life, in favour of something that at 12 weeks doesn’t even have a brain?

    And even she gives that baby over to the state and it goes into the foster system with the risk of abuse and rape there? The mental issues that go with being ‘abandoned’ or ‘unwanted’? Would you call potentially ruining two lives a good thing?

    I’m not OP but I think I can help answer your questions:

    The answer to your first and last questions are the same: Easily, because taking this stance allows them to pontificate while expending no real effort whatsoever.

    It’s a farce. If they really believed what they say, they’d be screaming bloody murder and pontificating about the 12th & 14th amendments. Not to mention the dozen a day exported abortions. But nope.

    That’s effort.

    Much easier to just wade into the conversation for the next couple of weeks and pontificate about how much they care. Just wait until May 26th and beyond, there’ll be tumbleweeds from a lot of these accounts.


  • #837
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Sadly, you yourself are not among their number.

    Very classy. You're not a whole lot are you.


  • #838
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    Very classy. You're not a whole lot are you.

    Well, that was almost a coherent sentence. Have another run at it.


  • #839
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    BarleySweets wrote: »
    I’m not OP but I think I can help answer your questions:

    The answer to your first and last questions are the same: Easily, because taking this stance allows them to pontificate while expending no real effort whatsoever.

    It’s a farce. If they really believed what they say, they’d be screaming bloody murder and pontificating about the 12th & 14th amendments. Not to mention the dozen a day exported abortions. But nope.

    That’s effort.

    Much easier to just wade into the conversation for the next couple of weeks and pontificate about how much they care. Just wait until May 26th and beyond, there’ll be tumbleweeds from a lot of these accounts.

    There's only one poster pontificating here..that's you answering my OP to a different poster.

    Sticking your beak into an amicable conversation i was having with another poster.

    Stop poking around looking for conflict.

    I've had an account since 2012. I deleted it last year and reopened in February for sports threads.

    You obviously signed up for one forum. We'll all be busy enough with other interests now and after 26th May.

    Get a life and stop chasing around a pro life poster to post your hackneyed rubbish. Have a bit of dignity like Hannibal, Robert, WrongWay and the many non insulting Yes voters.


  • #840
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    It's just Kylith a lot of us see that foetus as a baby and innocent life. Yet we feel compassion for the woman. That's the crux of it.

    For whom would you feel more compassion - a female relative or the <12-week-old foetus growing inside her? If someone you love sought your help with procuring an abortion, would you reluctantly help her or refuse because you love the foetus equally?

    See, I struggle with abortion on a moral level (and I used to be opposed to repealing the 8th), but if a close female relative told me that she wanted an abortion, but required financial help with the trip to England, my personal morals would go out the window and I'd give her whatever help and support she needed. Taking that into account, I would be a hypocrite to vote against repeal.


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  • #841
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Well, that was almost a coherent sentence. Have another run at it.

    A few words suffice for you. You have no class. You think your intellect is the 8th Wonder.

    You're just a small fish trying to be a flat track bully when he has 30 to 1 behind him on a forum.

    It says a lot about you that you try to get your little one liners in against opponents. You probably care little for anyone effected by the issues.

    Just trying to be a smart ass. You're nothing and as a human being i wouldn't say you're a whole lot either.

    Banned.


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