Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

tbiggertycome · 28-04-2018 02:00PM

Davys Fits wrote: »

You just cant please GAA people. Its not long ago since Richie Power was giving out saying that there wawsnt enough of games and hed like to be playing every week.

Well firstly as pointed out above it was Richie Hogan not Power and what he wanted was more matches as opposed to training. He wouldn't want them to the detriment of the club game I'd be fairly sure, having talked to him a few times.

I think the only solution that can work is to split the year.
Have a intercounty half of the year and a club half of the year.

At the minute we try to fit club games in between intercounty games and while Kilkenny had it sussed they also only had one code they concentrated on, like a lot of counties (we pay lip service to football and others do the same to hurling). If you played intercounty from February to mid July lets say. Then play Club from August until the end of November. That gives you 4 months for club and 4 and half for intercounty with a 2 month window to give all players a break. If we keep the current system you could end up with a huge drop off in club player numbers in the next 5 years and then the GAA could be in terminal decline at club level which would eventually feed through to intercounty scene quite quickly there after. Until congress wakes up and realises they've broken the GAA we're in for a lot of crap for the next few years. I believe the above system would work great as it gives the intercounty their own block they can play as many or as few matches in the time. I realise the intercounty players would be doing preseason in December and January but they do that anyway so it's no different for them. It would be radically different for the club players they could start their preseason in May or June play ancillary competitions and challenge matches. They would be finished by December if they got to an All Ireland or earlier otherwise. This gives them a great break from the game through the winter and has them training and hurling in the better months.

For me anything else will not work and if we keep the status quo we're headed for disaster.

You could also play the Fitzgibbon/Sigerson in January
You could even play the Railway cup back where it used to be on Paddys day to give it a shot in the arm

citykat · 28-04-2018 02:25PM

Grats wrote: »

the County Board, the CPA and the GPA need to ensure this structure is dismantled next year. Meanwhile, we have to suffer on and bear it for this year.

Good luck with that. I wouldnt hold my breath on the format being revoked for next year. It was approved for a three year timeframe last year. It was rejected by all the 'hurling' counties so even if a motion to revoke goes to Congress later this year, we'll need some counties who voted in favour last year to change their stance and vote against. Presumably those who voted in favour got some quid pro quo for doing so. They wont be allowed to change their vote after one year. The behaviour of the county board towards the clubs will not garner much sympathy from outside the county either.

Cornerback1 · 28-04-2018 07:50PM

Any update on Cillian Buckley?

jeff bingham · 28-04-2018 08:03PM

Can't see the format being changed next year either. Can see a lot of hurlers getting the text in Feb to go back training and just basically saying f#$k that at the thoughts of winter training for 2 months for possibly 1 game.

Grats · 28-04-2018 08:37PM

Read a number of newspaper articles today relating to the new format and the difficulties it's causing. And not by any means just hurling counties. One report has it that at least half of the counties played no senior club matches at all yet this year, chosing instead to start their club action later in the year.

Something has to give and if the much talked about CPA, and the GPA, doesn't make some kind of noise then it is failing the players.

End of April is fast approaching and we may move on, for now. But a review has to happen come September.

robwen · 28-04-2018 08:50PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Any update on Cillian Buckley?

From this week's Kilkenny People..

Cody had nothing but good news to relate from the Cats training camp. Team captain, Cillian Buckley, who missed the opening action in the local league/championship with his club, Dicksboro, because of a knee injury should be able to resume full training some time next week.
"He was very close to being fit to play with Dicksboro," Cody explained but he was rested in order to give the injury he picked up before the League final against Tipperary more time to come right.

JJs Left Hand · 28-04-2018 09:15PM

The CPA realistically has no power because even if they call a strike most club players won't go through with it in my opinion. The power is entirely with the GPA. They're the product and they control the money

citykat · 28-04-2018 11:40PM

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Couldn't let this go. There IS football in Kilkenny, the Quarter Finals of the intermediate championship is on this weekend for example. These are Club matches too. Played by the same players that play hurling. If clubs really wanted matches they would put time into football as well. And don't tell me the lads you are talking about don't like big balls, I guarantee they have no hesitation playing soccer or rugby. The players involve deserve even greater respect. Feile football is also on this weekend and our development squads led by DJ Carey will play Waterford.
Again I would remind you and your cronies, about the Under-19 games this weekend. 15 games to be played (30 clubs). An important age group to provide games for before the exams kick in. Kilkenny way ahead of most in this respect to fill the gap of moving minor to Under-17. You seem to think that Club is Only Senior. You are obviously linked to a city Senior club and that's all you see,
Seeing as you are a strong supporter of Galway GAA, you will surely recall that the 2017 Galway senior hurling final was played in December and the delay had nothing to do with football!! And that's not unusual.
Why do you hate Kilkenny so much? Nothing is perfect, and the parameters were set by others under the name of democracy, but in fairness Kilkenny is still one of the best setups in the country.
On that note, well done to the posters who actually took time to put ideas out there. You are the type of people who should be county board reps, so as things can be discussed and consensus found.

Well Mr Football. Any comment on all the teams conceding games in the football feile?

blackcard · 29-04-2018 08:34PM

If I was drawing up a schedule for 2019 to keep both clubs and county happy, I would first make a couple of rules. First, if any inter county league match was cancelled due to the weather, both teams would be awarded a point each and the match not played. If a league quarter or semi final was cancelled, the match would be awarded to the team that finished higher in the League section. I would allow the final to be pushed back a week. If any knockou match, either club or county, finished in a draw, 20 minutes of extra time would be played, followed by 10 minutes and then by penalties if required.
So for next year, the fixtures would be.
3/2/2019 R1 National Hurling League (NHL)
10/2/2019 R2 NHL
17/2/2019 R3 NHL
24/2/2019 R4 NHL
3/3/2019 Free
10/3/2019 R5 NHL
17/3/2019 QF or Relagation match
24/3/2019 SF NHL
21/3/2019 NHL
7/4/2019 Free
14/4/2019 Club R1
21/4/2019 Club R2
28/4/2019 Club R3
5/5/2019 Free
12/5/2019 Free
19/5/2019 RR1 First round of round robin
26/5/2019 RR 2
2/6/2019 RR3
9/6/2019 Free
16/6/2019 RR4
23/6/2019 Free or preliminary match
30/6/2019 Leinster Final
7/7/2019 Free
14/7/2019 QF or free
21/7/2019 Semi final
28/7/2019 free
4/8/2019 Free
11/8/2019 AI Final
18/8/2019 Free
25/8/2019 Club R4
1/9/2019 Club R5
8/9/2019 Club Relegation 1/ Club League Final/ Shield/R1
15/9/2019 Free
22/9/2019 Club QF
29/9/2019 Club SF
6/10/2019 Free
13/10/2019 Club Final
U21 County matches could be played on 31/4/2019, 19/6/2019, 10/7/2019, 24/7/2019, 18/8/2019
If KK were knocked out of the AI series early, club matches could be brought forward by a week.
With this, club Championship matches would be in two fixed periods of the year. In between, they could play Byrne Cup, take their holidays, take a trip to the States etc.
Anyone any other suggestions?

Hawkeye6 · 30-04-2018 09:40AM

citykat wrote: »

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Couldn't let this go. There IS football in Kilkenny, the Quarter Finals of the intermediate championship is on this weekend for example. These are Club matches too. Played by the same players that play hurling. If clubs really wanted matches they would put time into football as well. And don't tell me the lads you are talking about don't like big balls, I guarantee they have no hesitation playing soccer or rugby. The players involve deserve even greater respect. Feile football is also on this weekend and our development squads led by DJ Carey will play Waterford.
Again I would remind you and your cronies, about the Under-19 games this weekend. 15 games to be played (30 clubs). An important age group to provide games for before the exams kick in. Kilkenny way ahead of most in this respect to fill the gap of moving minor to Under-17. You seem to think that Club is Only Senior. You are obviously linked to a city Senior club and that's all you see,
Seeing as you are a strong supporter of Galway GAA, you will surely recall that the 2017 Galway senior hurling final was played in December and the delay had nothing to do with football!! And that's not unusual.
Why do you hate Kilkenny so much? Nothing is perfect, and the parameters were set by others under the name of democracy, but in fairness Kilkenny is still one of the best setups in the country.
On that note, well done to the posters who actually took time to put ideas out there. You are the type of people who should be county board reps, so as things can be discussed and consensus found.

Well Mr Football. Any comment on all the teams conceding games in the football feile?

The question betrays your motives, but to answer it.

As a Kilkenny GAA person, I am disappointed that clubs conceded matches especially City clubs. I am also disappointed that many clubs didn’t enter the competition in the first place and take the opportunity to play games, some choosing to train instead. That aside there was still plenty of good underage and adult football played over the weekend.

As a Kilkenny GAA person, I was also disappointed to hear that earlier in year for the equivalent Féile Hurling competition that 3 clubs did not enter the competition at all, two of which are in the top seven most populated parishes in the county and 10 more chose to concede games during the course of the competition.

So now I’m wondering what your point is?

JJs Left Hand · 30-04-2018 11:19AM

As someone involved with a team at that age group I didn't field a team for the football Feile as I couldn't field a team due to the ongoing Kilkenny soccer season and it's place in the calendar in the middle of a raft of U15 hurling games. Couple that with schools hurling, soccer and basketball as well as lads now involved with Development Squads and getting the full group together is extremely difficult. I'm rearranging U15 games to avoid giving walkovers only for something else to come up that affects numbers on the rearranged date. Pain in the arse is what it is.

brookville · 30-04-2018 02:34PM

Any idea on how the weekend away went?hopefully no fresh injuries.Dublin looked to have had a good workout against waterford and we can be sure of a physical battle.Hopefully we get up and running with a win sunday week.

bodun · 01-05-2018 01:55PM

Lads and Lassies,

What's the story with tickets for Sunday week? I see that they are only selling terrace tickets on the Gaa site. Are all the stand tickets gone already? I will have an elderly patron with me who may not be up for standing on a terrace for a couple of hours.

danganabu · 01-05-2018 01:59PM

bodun wrote: »

Lads and Lassies,

What's the story with tickets for Sunday week? I see that they are only selling terrace tickets on the Gaa site. Are all the stand tickets gone already? I will have an elderly patron with me who may not be up for standing on a terrace for a couple of hours.

Season ticket holders will get first refusal on the stand tickets I imagine?

bodun · 01-05-2018 02:07PM

danganabu wrote: »

Season ticket holders will get first refusal on the stand tickets I imagine?

Yea, I suppose so. I wonder would there be many left after that process is complete, like if you waited until next week to buy would they be on general sale? If not, we'll have to get in early to find him a barrier to lie on!

robwen · 01-05-2018 03:18PM

bodun wrote: »

Lads and Lassies,

What's the story with tickets for Sunday week? I see that they are only selling terrace tickets on the Gaa site. Are all the stand tickets gone already? I will have an elderly patron with me who may not be up for standing on a terrace for a couple of hours.

https://twitter.com/carrickshockgaa/status/984888908138930177?s=19

Did a search on Twitter & this came up from Carrickshock on April 13th, strangely nothing on the official Kilkenny GAA twitter about it

Village87 · 01-05-2018 03:19PM

Any news out of Kilkenny after the training weekend in Cork ?
Never has there been a Kilkenny team better looked after for a Championship match than this team. Must be well ahead of Dublin in regards preparation, Dublin have been playing club up to a few days ago. Kilkenny played the league final the 8th, were back in with the county by the 17th. Cant see how Dublin can get themselves up to that pace with injured players and Cuala players back with little or no game time together. Counties like Kilkenny and Clare who more or less ignored the April month for clubs will have a big advantage over teams who played club action all during April like Dublin, especially in the first round

JJs Left Hand · 01-05-2018 06:16PM

While I agree that Kilkenny should've played another round of club games you're looking at the Dublin game in isolation which is just wrong. Kilkenny play 3 games in 3 weeks with training done in between games restricted to recovery sessions only. This is unknown territory in the championship where every result matters so they've obviously taken the cautious approach this time around.

HughCassidy · 01-05-2018 06:23PM

Change the record you are not happy when they are concentrating on an up coming game correct me if I am wrong didn't you grumble last year when Paul Murphy was on the kilkenny people with a horse in Nowlan park . Move on life is to short constantly repeating the same thing get behind the team.

HughCassidy · 01-05-2018 06:52PM

Ìs it going to be the same for all the matches as regarding the tickets the season ticket holder will get first preference for seats I say Salthill would be like Parnell park sunday week.

brookville · 01-05-2018 07:24PM

HughCassidy wrote: »

Ìs it going to be the same for all the matches as regarding the tickets the season ticket holder will get first preference for seats I say Salthill would be like Parnell park sunday week.

Can you buy tickets now for the galway match?should be a big crowd at that one

HughCassidy · 01-05-2018 07:55PM

brookville wrote: »

Can you buy tickets now for the galway match?should be a big crowd at that one

I am not sure that's why I was asking.

robwen · 01-05-2018 08:37PM

brookville wrote: »

Can you buy tickets now for the galway match?should be a big crowd at that one

http://www.gaa.ie/tickets/

Grats · 01-05-2018 08:43PM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

While I agree that Kilkenny should've played another round of club games you're looking at the Dublin game in isolation which is just wrong. Kilkenny play 3 games in 3 weeks with training done in between games restricted to recovery sessions only. This is unknown territory in the championship where every result matters so they've obviously taken the cautious approach this time around.

That's exactly why there is such a preparation, and understandably so to any reasonable person. A hectic schedule coming up for the players and they have to be ready. Dublin are preparing just as well, have played a number of challenge matches.

brookville · 01-05-2018 09:52PM

Village87 wrote: »

Any news out of Kilkenny after the training weekend in Cork ?
Never has there been a Kilkenny team better looked after for a Championship match than this team. Must be well ahead of Dublin in regards preparation, Dublin have been playing club up to a few days ago. Kilkenny played the league final the 8th, were back in with the county by the 17th. Cant see how Dublin can get themselves up to that pace with injured players and Cuala players back with little or no game time together. Counties like Kilkenny and Clare who more or less ignored the April month for clubs will have a big advantage over teams who played club action all during April like Dublin, especially in the first round

I'd say gilroy will have dublin chomping at the bit next sunday and we'll have a tough match.Think they played waterford already this week and limerick tonight plus werent they training twice a day earlier in the year with their eye on the championship and am I right in saying Dublin are know at their quater final stage? but we all agree we should of had an extra round of local matches but I doubt all county teams done nothing for the month of April but 3 weeks prep for the round robin is what's needed with the 3rd week not much being done.Hopefully it's managed better next year if the format isn't changed.
Heard nothing bout the weekend away hopefully no fresh injuries.It'll be interesting to see will the returning lads make the panel.

Grats · 02-05-2018 03:04PM

If by any chance anybody has an adult and a juvenile ticket for sale for the Kilkenny v Dublin match on May 13th let me know please. And similarly for the Kilkenny v Galway match on May 27th. Somebody may not be making use of their season ticket in which case I will buy them.

Thanks.

brookville · 02-05-2018 09:41PM

I heard dj saying he his losing 2 lads going to the states I presume one is doheny and another player is concentrating on exams and tommy walsh is a long term absentee he didn't give the names of the lads missing but doheny and walsh will be losses but he seemed upbeat that he has a good squad and he has 6 in with seniors.
Our minors are playing sunday week it's supposed to be a decent squad although not the biggest.
Good news on the kk people that the 3 lads got through the weekend ok.No mention of Jason cleere or joe lyng who was due home after the league.Kevin kelly probably another few weeks off.
Whats lads thoughts ahead of next week?I'd be cagey enough heading up but hopefully we'll carry the league momentum into the championship.

Bonniedog · 02-05-2018 09:51PM

What's the ticket situation down your way lads?

DCB have told county board stand pass holders that they wont get tickets as season ticket holders from both counties have priority.

Tickets still available for terraces. Will be full house so good atmosphere ..... for a while anyway!

brookville · 02-05-2018 10:38PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

What's the ticket situation down your way lads?

DCB have told county board stand pass holders that they wont get tickets as season ticket holders from both counties have priority.

Tickets still available for terraces. Will be full house so good atmosphere ..... for a while anyway!

Are people at anything holding out to see will any stand tickets come available or should we get terrace tickets as there's no chance of stand tickets coming available?

Bonniedog · 02-05-2018 10:53PM

brookville wrote: »

Are people at anything holding out to see will any stand tickets come available or should we get terrace tickets as there's no chance of stand tickets coming available?

I'd say order as soon as you can. Stand only holds 2,500 and sounds like they are gone already.

New format has certainly grabbed the imagination. Big demand for all games so far. Dublin/Offaly - unfortunately for us the key game - is also selling well and Salthill will be jammed for yourselves and Galway and Wexford Park for all games. Same in Munster. So for once, Croke Park deserves pat on back

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