The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

Sofiztikated · 28-04-2018 03:00PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

No what does that even mean? someone has sold you this "on demand" babble. You actually think women will misplace their thoughts and have clear consciences about using abortion as a means of contraception.

Is this abortion on demand? - Sheila did ya hear Elaine had her 4th abortion the other day, bleedin' amateur I'm on me 17th!

And if they're not having abortions for the lulz, they're getting pregnant of purpose to trap lads.

joe40 · 28-04-2018 03:11PM

In terms of "opening the flood gates" argument I really don't think it makes much sense.
It is not credible that someone would go through with an unwanted pregnancy because they didn't want to go to England.
The decision is too serious for travel to be a "dealbreaker" I don't think a yes vote increase the number of women accessing abortion, it will make an extremely difficult decision more manageable.
That is not taking away from the hardship that exists for those that have to travel and the financial burden which is massive for many people. Teenagers in care is also another issue

erica74 · 28-04-2018 03:17PM

More stupid posters gone up around Waterford last night (do these people have any actual jobs??). They're trying to tap into the men of Ireland, something like "fathers protect your children, vote no".

There was groups handing out antichoice leaflets and prochoice leaflets in the town centre.
We were chatting to an older lady who was handing out prochoice leaflets and she said for the first time since she started handing out leaflets, she got a lot of abuse today. She said she was called a lot of names, she wondered was it as a result of the Late Late Show last night. She was wearing a Repeal jumper so we knew what she was handing out so we went over to her. I think we probably looked like we were making a beeline for her and she looked a bit wary when we approached her first. After we started chatting, she said "it's nice to see a friendly face" so I hope we cheered her up for the afternoon.

taserfrank · 28-04-2018 03:27PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Is this abortion on demand? - Sheila did ya hear Elaine had her 4th abortion the other day, bleedin' amateur I'm on me 17th!

Personally, that kind of situation is one I'm afraid we could have if the referendum is passed. I'm trying to read as much as I can on this, but so far I'm not convinced.

Zubeneschamali · 28-04-2018 03:36PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes 46%
No 31%
Undecided 23%

So, not shocking at all. Would translate to 60:40 on the day if it stayed like that. Was 66:34 in January.

Still on track to be 55:45 on the day, in line with my own prediction.

Timberrrrrrrr · 28-04-2018 03:40PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Personally, that kind of situation is one I'm afraid we could have if the referendum is passed. I'm trying to read as much as I can on this, but so far I'm not convinced.

Do you honestly think women just decide to have an abortion at a whim? Do you think it's a simple decision to make? Do you honestly think so little of women that you think terminating a pregnancy for whatever reason is a simple One?

taserfrank · 28-04-2018 03:41PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Do you honestly think women just decide to have an abortion at a whim? Do you think it's a simple decision to make? Do you honestly think so little of women that you think terminating a pregnancy for whatever reason is a simple One?

For most women, no. But there are some selfish women out there too.

Martina1991 · 28-04-2018 03:41PM

Voting No won't suddenly make abortions stop. They are already happening. Thousand of Irish women have abortions every year. For whatever reason.

Abortions occur in every country. They will never be entirely stopped. Ireland will never have 0 abortions. Anti choice people are not accepting that.

Keeping the 8th saves no one.

BabysCoffee · 28-04-2018 03:42PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Personally, that kind of situation is one I'm afraid we could have if the referendum is passed. I'm trying to read as much as I can on this, but so far I'm not convinced.

Seriously what type of women do you know and interact with regularly??

Do you honestly think your daughters, your sisters, your nieces, your work colleagues, friends will be choosing to have an abortion wily nily?

Why would they do that?

Martina1991 · 28-04-2018 03:43PM

taserfrank wrote:

For most women, no. But there are some selfish women out there too.

So ALL women must be punished for the "selfish" few.

joe40 · 28-04-2018 03:43PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Is this abortion on demand? - Sheila did ya hear Elaine had her 4th abortion the other day, bleedin' amateur I'm on me 17th!

Personally, that kind of situation is one I'm afraid we could have if the referendum is passed. I'm trying to read as much as I can on this, but so far I'm not convinced.

Have a look at abortion laws in Europe, it is basically just us and Malta left. The countries where abortion is still illegal are mostly central america, middle east and some African countries.
Abortion has been available in a lot of countries for a long time where many irish people are happy to live.

NuMarvel · 28-04-2018 03:46PM

genericgoon wrote: »

The original sin here was believing that the beliefs of millions of Irish people on any issue as complex as abortion could possibly be accurately reflected in one (or more) sections of text basically a long as a tweet.

I am totally stealing this!

taserfrank · 28-04-2018 03:48PM

BabysCoffee wrote: »

Seriously what type of women do you know and interact with regularly??

Do you honestly think your daughters, your sisters, your nieces, your work colleagues, friends will be choosing to have an abortion wily nily?

Why would they do that?

I think you are running away with the point I was making. I was merely suggesting that some women who might otherwise have kept their child, may now consider terminating it if abortion becomes so freely available.

kylith · 28-04-2018 03:52PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Personally, that kind of situation is one I'm afraid we could have if the referendum is passed. I'm trying to read as much as I can on this, but so far I'm not convinced.

Have you read about what actually happens when you have an abortion? It’s worse than the worst period pain (for men who don’t have periods: that’s described as worse than a heart attack), passing massive blood clots, blood loss, vomiting, and can last for days.

Does that sound like something a person would do cos they can’t be bothered using a condom, or they’d nip in to have at lunch like a blow-dry?

BabysCoffee · 28-04-2018 03:56PM

taserfrank wrote: »

I think you are running away with the point I was making. I was merely suggesting that some women who might otherwise have kept their child, may now consider terminating it if abortion becomes so freely available.

And what business of yours is that?

Odhinn · 28-04-2018 03:57PM

taserfrank wrote: »

For most women, no. But there are some selfish women out there too.

And you think that somebody that "selfish" is the kind you'd trust with a new born baby?

Nettle Soup · 28-04-2018 03:58PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Moiratat wrote: »

And what about me Robert? I have life experience past many my age, I raised my siblings, educated them on important subjects unlike their schools, or is my life experience not valid to you?

It is clear for the majority of older people that retain/No is the compassionate position to be on, who some on the Yes side have attacked with ageism comments.
I don’t know you, and it is not my place to judge you as an individual even if I did as to make out I am somehow perfect.
I think yes for compassion is a lie as most of the abortions would be healthy women aborting healthy unborn. I think a lot of older wise people would also see through this Yes slogan lie.

I doubt you even believe what you are saying anymore Robert.

joe40 · 28-04-2018 03:59PM

taserfrank wrote: »

BabysCoffee wrote: »

Seriously what type of women do you know and interact with regularly??

Do you honestly think your daughters, your sisters, your nieces, your work colleagues, friends will be choosing to have an abortion wily nily?

Why would they do that?

I think you are running away with the point I was making. I was merely suggesting that some women who might otherwise have kept their child, may now consider terminating it if abortion becomes so freely available.

I would imagine for the vast majority of pregnant women the decision to terminate would be horrendous, and would not be easy. I don't think the "convenience" of been able to do it in Ireland will be a deciding factor.

taserfrank · 28-04-2018 03:59PM

Look, I'm just asking questions, there's no need to jump down my throat.

Martina1991 · 28-04-2018 04:04PM

taserfrank wrote:

I was merely suggesting that some women who might otherwise have kept their child may now consider terminating it if abortion becomes so freely available.

How impressionable and stupid do you think women are.

Do you think we'll see an Ad for a clinic and think f*ck it. I couldn't be arsed having this baby. I'll just pop in and make the most difficult decision of my life on a whim because I can.

kylith · 28-04-2018 04:07PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Look, I'm just asking questions, there's no need to jump down my throat.

Maybe you need to think about phrasing your questions so it doesn’t sound like you think a woman would get an abortion because she can’t fit into her jeans any more.

Sofiztikated · 28-04-2018 04:10PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Look, I'm just asking questions, there's no need to jump down my throat.

Why do you think a woman might need or want an abortion?

28-04-2018 04:12PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Personally, that kind of situation is one I'm afraid we could have if the referendum is passed. I'm trying to read as much as I can on this, but so far I'm not convinced.

Why would you think this?
Irish women get abortions now too, do you hear them talking like that now?
Why do you think because it would be available here that suddenly women will be boasting how many abortions they have had?

BabysCoffee · 28-04-2018 04:12PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Look, I'm just asking questions, there's no need to jump down my throat.

Maybe you could go and have conversations about abortion with the women in your life.

I would hazard a guess that after talking to them you can see they can be trusted to choose what is best for them.

28-04-2018 04:12PM

my facebook has gone crazy with pro-life advertising this morning. seven or eight ads, no balance.

all posited as articles on "the real facts" and all from different organisations.

its deeply unsettling stuff to see in action, for all that imo it doesnt remove the onus from anyone with a vote to take responsibility for informing themselves etc etc

would love to see funding declared and all "facts" checked against an independent authority before they were allowed to be broadcast.

but of course the same crowd would merely see this as fuel to the fire of evidence that all organised govt is a conspiracy against the ppl.

Jokes · 28-04-2018 04:17PM

I know a woman that did it on a whim it interfered with her holiday to Australia. So to answer your question yes some women do do it on a whim.

Nobody is saying anything about the babies being born alive this is possible and the thought of throwing a human being into a bin and left to die on its own disturbs me very much,
http://thisismylife.ie/what-happens-to-a-baby-after-it-is-aborted/

There was also a doctor who was jailed for cutting spinal cords when they were born alive..
This referendum has alot of information that needs to be addressed before voting imo.

taserfrank · 28-04-2018 04:18PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

How impressionable and stupid do you think women are.

Do you think we'll see an Ad for a clinic and think f*ck it. I couldn't be arsed having this baby. I'll just pop in and make the most difficult decision of my life on a whim because I can.

Well, I'm responding to at least one ''impressionable and stupid'' woman right now.

28-04-2018 04:18PM

taserfrank wrote: »

Look, I'm just asking questions, there's no need to jump down my throat.

Maybe you could phrase your questions in a way that isn't insulting to women?

28-04-2018 04:21PM

Jokes wrote: »

I know a woman that did it on a whim it interfered with her holiday to Australia. So to answer your question yes some women do do it on a whim.

nobody is saying anything about the babies being born alive this is possible and and the thought of throwing a human being into a bin and left to die on its own disturbs me very much, there was also a doctor who was cutting spinal cords when they were born alive. This referendum has alot of information that needs to be addressed before voting imo.

What sort of rubbish are you reading?
Before 12 weeks,the woman takes pills & the result is like a very heavy period.

amcalester · 28-04-2018 04:25PM

Jokes wrote: »

I know a woman that did it on a whim it interfered with her holiday to Australia. So to answer your question yes some women do do it on a whim.

nobody is saying anything about the babies being born alive this is possible and and the thought of throwing a human being into a bin and left to die on its own disturbs me very much, there was also a doctor who was cutting spinal cords when they were born alive. This referendum has alot of information that needs to be addressed before voting imo.

Andy chance of a link to verify these claims?

The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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