Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

Icyseanfitz · 18-04-2018 02:42PM

I've been with turas nua since late 2017 and to be fair there been alright, I was working part time, a college course part time and in receipt of jobseekers. Pretty much have to turn up once a month and say all is going to plan and that's it.

Unfortunately I've been left go from my part time job of 10 years. Any ideas what hassle this will create with them? Will they suddenly expect me to do more with them? Hoping to apply for a level 6 course starting next September as well

Murdoc90 · 18-04-2018 03:37PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I've been with turas nua since late 2017 and to be fair there been alright, I was working part time, a college course part time and in receipt of jobseekers. Pretty much have to turn up once a month and say all is going to plan and that's it.

Unfortunately I've been left go from my part time job of 10 years. Any ideas what hassle this will create with them? Will they suddenly expect me to do more with them? Hoping to apply for a level 6 course starting next September as well

It will more than likely be the same as you're doing now, once a month appointments tick this box, sign that blah blah.

They will try to force you into a job before your course starts. When I informed them I wanted to go back and study I was told a degree was just a piece of paper and would I not stick to the bar work :pac: They then lied to me to tell me that it was DSP decision whether they let me do the course or not the DSP informed me it was Seetec's/Turas Nua's decision and that "they are all over the place in there".

Sephiroth_dude · 18-04-2018 07:45PM

Murdoc90 wrote: »

It will more than likely be the same as you're doing now, once a month appointments tick this box, sign that blah blah.

They will try to force you into a job before your course starts. When I informed them I wanted to go back and study I was told a degree was just a piece of paper and would I not stick to the bar work :pac: They then lied to me to tell me that it was DSP decision whether they let me do the course or not the DSP informed me it was Seetec's/Turas Nua's decision and that "they are all over the place in there".

Did you get to go back and study?

Murdoc90 · 19-04-2018 08:33AM

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Did you get to go back and study?

Yes ended up just doing a 9 month course now working full time in the field that I studied

Sephiroth_dude · 19-04-2018 08:34AM

Murdoc90 wrote: »

Yes ended up just doing a 9 month course now working full time in the field that I studied

Congrats! How did you convince them to let you do the course?

Murdoc90 · 19-04-2018 08:57AM

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Congrats! How did you convince them to let you do the course?

Thanks, I just went to DSP and told them that I was being told by seetec that DSP wouldn't allow me to do a course, the woman in DSP looked at me in bewilderment and said it would not be a problem to do the course. So when I went back to Seetec they signed me off straight away.

LegacyUser · 19-04-2018 09:16PM

Irish.26 wrote: »

I've been getting paid a small amount of jobseekers allowance upon the day's I'm not working for the past year. My days vary, I could be working 3/4 day's a week sometimes a full week. What is FIS?

Fish is family income supplement. If you work minimum 36 (I think) hours perror fortnight and areally below a certain income threshold, you acne apply. Much more secure source of income and only need to apply annually

Xcom2 · 20-04-2018 01:28AM

I was first signed up to Turas Nua in December, I worked part time, three full days a week and for roughly 12 six day weeks a year.

I was filling in the x and o forms every week.

The first thing I asked them about was the Jobsplus Incentive Scheme. I was told there would be no problem, sign up, its all about you getting more work. I signed up and awaited a reply. At the same meeting I was asked for my CV which I provided and was told next time we will work on the CV and go through some questions.

Two weeks later I get bombarded with ninety or so questions in the space of ten minutes, I dont know what I answered but apparently I have a bad back and am a people person?

I dont and I'm not!

Another two weeks pass and I'm called in to discuss my CV. I was quite proud of the CV I had, it completely summed up my near thirty year work history. By the end of the meeting I had about thirty percent of the original left. I also have quite a bit that are blatant lies( in my original I just mentioned the school I went to and that I passed the leaving cert, in the new one I'm apparently a fricking genius, I passed a subject I didn't take and I'm an expert in a subject I failed.

At the end of that meeting I was handed five copies of my new CV to hand out to local companies with a sheet to list the companies and names of the people I gave them to.

The next week my job changed a bit, instead of being three full days a week it would be five shorter days.

I signed off in early February and had contact twice with Turas Nua, once in reply to a text for missing a meeting so I called them and explained the situation, all was OK. About a week later I get a call from my advisor and I have to explain it again, he wished me well and said bye.

Forward to last week and I get a text saying I missed an appointment call this number, I ignored it.

This week I get a letter saying my next appointment is scheduled for bla bla.

How do I get rid of them?

BTW the Jobsplus Incentive Scheme finally got back to me after two months and basically said I was not unemployed enough to qualify?

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 12:02PM

The only reason Fine Gael are desperate to keep turas nua and seetech is that everyone referred to them is taken off the live register. So it looks like unemployment figures are lower then they actually are. This company has only a 15% success rate with people and they also hound you if you get a job of your own accord. So this figure is debatable. Next election comes around this is going to seriously hurt FG as everybody in the country knows someone that has been sold to these companies like second class citizens under, and duress, might I add. As if you do not attend welfare is cut.

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 12:17PM

splinter65 wrote: »

The objective of being on Jobseekers is to get a full time job as quick as possible so you can get off Jobseekers.

Yes that is the main objective of a jobseekers. How many are getting 30-40 hr full time contracts? Virtually none. Private companies and public welfare is not compatible as we have seen in the UK. A private companies main objective is to make as much money as possible for its investors.
Also the "personal advisers" only have to have the leaving cert as a qualification. Surely a social studies degree should be standard to work as an adviser there?

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 12:21PM

Xcom2 wrote: »

I was first signed up to Turas Nua in December, I worked part time, three full days a week and for roughly 12 six day weeks a year.

I was filling in the x and o forms every week.

The first thing I asked them about was the Jobsplus Incentive Scheme. I was told there would be no problem, sign up, its all about you getting more work. I signed up and awaited a reply. At the same meeting I was asked for my CV which I provided and was told next time we will work on the CV and go through some questions.

Two weeks later I get bombarded with ninety or so questions in the space of ten minutes, I dont know what I answered but apparently I have a bad back and am a people person?

I dont and I'm not!

Another two weeks pass and I'm called in to discuss my CV. I was quite proud of the CV I had, it completely summed up my near thirty year work history. By the end of the meeting I had about thirty percent of the original left. I also have quite a bit that are blatant lies( in my original I just mentioned the school I went to and that I passed the leaving cert, in the new one I'm apparently a fricking genius, I passed a subject I didn't take and I'm an expert in a subject I failed.

At the end of that meeting I was handed five copies of my new CV to hand out to local companies with a sheet to list the companies and names of the people I gave them to.

The next week my job changed a bit, instead of being three full days a week it would be five shorter days.

I signed off in early February and had contact twice with Turas Nua, once in reply to a text for missing a meeting so I called them and explained the situation, all was OK. About a week later I get a call from my advisor and I have to explain it again, he wished me well and said bye.

Forward to last week and I get a text saying I missed an appointment call this number, I ignored it.

This week I get a letter saying my next appointment is scheduled for bla bla.

How do I get rid of them?

BTW the Jobsplus Incentive Scheme finally got back to me after two months and basically said I was not unemployed enough to qualify?

The best thing to do would be to send them a letter or email stating, you no longer wish to have contact with them and if they continue to try make contact you will consider it harassment and take legal action.

splinter65 · 20-04-2018 12:50PM

Kk333 wrote: »

The only reason Fine Gael are desperate to keep turas nua and seetech is that everyone referred to them is taken off the live register. So it looks like unemployment figures are lower then they actually are. This company has only a 15% success rate with people and they also hound you if you get a job of your own accord. So this figure is debatable. Next election comes around this is going to seriously hurt FG as everybody in the country knows someone that has been sold to these companies like second class citizens under, and duress, might I add. As if you do not attend welfare is cut.

People referred to TN and Seetec are not taken off the live register .

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 01:22PM

splinter65 wrote: »

People referred to TN and Seetec are not taken off the live register .

Yes you are. You are no longer signing on every month and are technically no longer unemployed when you are with these companies or anything to do with jobspath. In actual fact when you take into account everyone on jobseekers allowence and jobseekers benefit, which are separate, the unemployment figure is around 8.7% not a glossy 6.1%.

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 03:05PM

Here s proof from the CSO website. "Annex - Activation Programmes

Data up to the end of February 2018 on the number of people availing of a range of programmes targeted primarily at the long-term unemployed (over 12 months) and other welfare recipients is provided in the Annex – Number of persons availing of Activation Programmes table.

There were 59,747 people availing of these programmes in February 2018, which is a decrease of 8,202 persons (-12.1%) from the previous year, when there were 67,949 people in activation programmes.

Persons on activation programmes are not counted as part of the monthly Live Register".http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregistermarch2018/

splinter65 · 20-04-2018 03:41PM

Kk333 wrote: »

Yes you are. You are no longer signing on every month and are technically no longer unemployed when you are with these companies or anything to do with jobspath.

No your not Kk. That’s your own interpretation of it. You only sign off the live register if you find a job. Everyone in Seetec and TN is on the live register.

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 04:01PM

splinter65 wrote: »

No your not Kk. That’s your own interpretation of it. You only sign off the live register if you find a job. Everyone in Seetec and TN is on the live register.

It clearly stats on the CSO website you are not on the live register if you are on a activation programe ie jobspath. There is no room for interpretation.

"Data up to the end of February 2018 on the number of people availing of a range of programmes targeted primarily at the long-term unemployed (over 12 months) and other welfare recipients is provided in the Annex – Number of persons availing of Activation Programmes table.

There were 59,747 people availing of these programmes in February 2018, which is a decrease of 8,202 persons (-12.1%) from the previous year, when there were 67,949 people in activation programmes.

Persons on activation programmes are not counted as part of the monthly
live Register".http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpubl...stermarch2018/

This is a direct quote taken from the CSO website. Near the bottom of the page on my link.

MouseTail · 26-04-2018 07:18AM

Kk333 wrote: »

It clearly stats on the CSO website you are not on the live register if you are on a activation programe ie jobspath. There is no room for interpretation.

That refers to schemes where the participant changes payment, eg CE schemes, or full time training. On Jobpath, participants are still seeking work and on a jobseekers payment. They remain on the live register.

splinter65 · 26-04-2018 12:02PM

MouseTail wrote: »

That refers to schemes where the participant changes payment, eg CE schemes, or full time training. On Jobpath, participants are still seeking work and on a jobseekers payment. They remain on the live register.

Your right of course, but this poster can’t be persuaded so I’d just leave it.
Just one more jobseeker outraged at being forced to seek a job.

fin12 · 26-04-2018 08:27PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Your right of course, but this poster can’t be persuaded so I’d just leave it.
Just one more jobseeker outraged at being forced to seek a job.

I think you will find the majority of people who give out about this organization it’s about the fact that they take credit for you securing a job when they have nothing to do with it and then continue to harass long after you are signed off the dole and getting no dole money.

I secured work myself and this organization had no hand or part in securing employment for me but I suppose when people can get in a dig at unemployed people that’s what they will do.

splinter65 · 26-04-2018 08:59PM

fin12 wrote: »

I think you will find the majority of people who give out about this organization it’s about the fact that they take credit for you securing a job when they have nothing to do with it and then continue to harass long after you are signed off the dole and getting no dole money.

I secured work myself and this organization had no hand or part in securing employment for me but I suppose when people can get in a dig at unemployed people that’s what they will do.

At the risk of repeating myself, the amount of long term unemployed people posting on this forum alone, never mind the ones I meet every day, who miraculously found a job themselves shortly after being referred to TN/Seetec is a astonishing.

fin12 · 26-04-2018 09:02PM

splinter65 wrote: »

At the risk of repeating myself, the amount of long term unemployed people posting on this forum alone, never mind the ones I meet every day, who miraculously found a job themselves shortly after being referred to TN/Seetec is a astonishing.

But they don’t take on long term unemployed, can you explain to me so why I was referred to them after being 2 weeks on the dole.

That’s bull****, they target people who have just come out of employment or people who are part time.

Kk333 · 27-04-2018 03:04AM

splinter65 wrote: »

At the risk of repeating myself, the amount of long term unemployed people posting on this forum alone, never mind the ones I meet every day, who miraculously found a job themselves shortly after being referred to TN/Seetec is a astonishing.

If you despise the unemployed so much I really hope you don't work with them. You seem like a very bitter person. You might need a change in your life. Don't be so bitter life's too short.

Kk333 · 27-04-2018 03:09AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Your right of course, but this poster can’t be persuaded so I’d just leave it.
Just one more jobseeker outraged at being forced to seek a job.

It includes jobspath. Which is condidered an activation scheme. Clearly outlined in the link i provided. Where is ye re link to evidence countering me? You do not sign on when you are with these companies. That is a fact. If jobseekers are forced into jobs and we have a 6% unemployment. How come Turas Nua have only a 15% success rate. A figure given by tax dodger Doherty herself.

Kk333 · 27-04-2018 03:11AM

MouseTail wrote: »

That refers to schemes where the participant changes payment, eg CE schemes, or full time training. On Jobpath, participants are still seeking work and on a jobseekers payment. They remain on the live register.

People on CE schemes and education are on the equivalent of a jobseekers payment, with 20 euro added on in the case of CE, you even have to sign on once a month still which you don't with jobspath. Annex includes jobspath not live reg. It is condidered an activation scheme. Clearly outlined in the link i provided. Where is your link to evidence countering me? You do not sign on when you are with these companies. That is a fact.

Nomis21 · 27-04-2018 06:38AM

You don't have to sign on with Jobpath or CE schemes. Signing on has nothing to do with being on the live register. They are two different issues.

If you are attending Jobpath then you are unemployed and on the live register. If you are on a CE scheme you are working and not on the live register.

splinter65 · 27-04-2018 07:47AM

Kk333 wrote: »

If you despise the unemployed so much I really hope you don't work with them. You seem like a very bitter person. You might need a change in your life. Don't be so bitter life's too short.

The vast majority of the unemployed I work with are family people with dependent kids happy to take a job even at minimum wage because they want to work, feel the need to work and they have responsibilities which need to be met.
Most will get WFP to top up the wages.
As I’ve said before there’s loads of people on Jobseekers who should actually be on WFP, Carers, OPFP, DA etc
This is only discovered after they’ve been referred to TN.
They’re then directed towards those payments, by TN.
A lot of people referred to TN don’t turn up at all because they are working cash in hand while getting JSA and they know the game is up.
Rant away there about the injustice of Jobpath though.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 27-04-2018 07:57AM

Jobseekers is for people who paid in PRSI? Clearly not long term unemployed.

Given the money most workers pay in to the pot, the length of time given for JSB before JSA kicks in and the fact that it’s the same payment is a joke.

Kk333 · 27-04-2018 11:32AM

Nomis21 wrote: »

You don't have to sign on with Jobpath or CE schemes. Signing on has nothing to do with being on the live register. They are two different issues.

If you are attending Jobpath then you are unemployed and on the live register. If you are on a CE scheme you are working and not on the live register.

Your evidence jobspath is on live reg? You are not as it clearly says on welfare.ie jobspath is an activation programme and so is on annex not live reg.

Kk333 · 27-04-2018 11:37AM

splinter65 wrote: »

The vast majority of the unemployed I work with are family people with dependent kids happy to take a job even at minimum wage because they want to work, feel the need to work and they have responsibilities which need to be met.
Most will get WFP to top up the wages.
As I’ve said before there’s loads of people on Jobseekers who should actually be on WFP, Carers, OPFP, DA etc
This is only discovered after they’ve been referred to TN.
They’re then directed towards those payments, by TN.
A lot of people referred to TN don’t turn up at all because they are working cash in hand while getting JSA and they know the game is up.
Rant away there about the injustice of Jobpath though.

Very serious accusations there. If you know of anyone doing that I hope you give there name and evidence you have to welfare? If they don't turn up they get cut off. You should know that if you actually worked with unemployed. So your saying turas nua who's workers only have to have the leaving cert can tell weather someone needs Disability allowance or not haha. Its the biggest waste if tax payers money. They get a signing fee from DSP for everyone who sign their personal progression that's without talking to the person just filling in generic questions. 80m gifted to these two companies in the last year with a 15% success rate. Crooked Doherty looking after them well.

splinter65 · 27-04-2018 11:53AM

Kk333 wrote: »

Very serious accusations there. If you know of anyone doing that I hope you give there name and evidence you have to welfare? If they don't turn up they get cut off. You should know that if you actually worked with unemployed. So your saying turas nua who's workers only have to have the leaving cert can tell weather someone needs Disability allowance or not haha. Its the biggest waste if tax payers money. They get a signing fee from DSP for everyone who sign their personal progression that's without talking to the person just filling in generic questions. 80m gifted to these two companies in the last year with a 15% success rate. Crooked Doherty looking after them well.

If someone turns up for their first TN meeting and says “ I can’t look for full time work because I’m suffering from crippling depression and anxiety “ or “I can’t look for full time work because I’m parenting alone with 2 pre school kids” or “I’m not looking for full time work because my pre teen kids are at school and I’ve no one to pick them up” or “ I’m not looking for full time work because I’m caring full time for my elderly mother who has dementia” then you don’t need much of a Leaving Cert to come to the conclusion that they shouldn’t be getting “Jobseekers”. Do you?

Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

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