Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

whatawaster · 26-04-2018 01:37PM

Faugheen wrote: »

If Johnny McPhillips is staying then I can't understand what moving Carbery or Byrne does for Ulster or for him. Both are good players but neither are ready to be given the responsibility to be the first choice 10 anywhere imo (especially Carbery).

If McPhillips is staying then Ulster need an experienced 10 to supplement his development. I saw him when he came on vs Leinster over the winter and he looked very good.

If McPhillips is going, then Carbery or Byrne makes more sense. I'd like to see him stay not just because it benefits Leinster but it's always exciting to see a new 10 come through.

I'd say Carbery or Byrne are both primed to be first choice at a province to be honest. Both have had 2 seasons under their belt - Carbery playing 6N/All-Blacks and 10/15 for Leinster. Byrne was Leinster's first choice 10 for much of this season due to circumstances.

I think you simply won't find better than either of those two.

If they want to go then it's looking at this stage that giving McPhiliips the chance to lead the line might not be the worst option. Bring in someone experienced as his backup, and sign up Cathal Marsh as 3rd choice

Hands Like Flippers · 26-04-2018 01:57PM

launish116 wrote: »

irishfan9 wrote: »

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

He played 6 in the cup for BRA last year.

and looked like a fish out of water there for ireland u20

That’s what worried me. But he has the attributes, bar his handling. He’s still young to the game I suppose. Just think with his athletics background and aggression would hate it to be sapped in scrums all the time.

Ok but if Rea is at 6 for example I think that is better.

26-04-2018 02:26PM

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

Personally I wish there were far more nippy smaller guys. Watching bash ball with the big guys at times is like watching a poorer version of RL.

Also the big guys get a lot of injuries with bash ball so it is debatable if it is the way to go especially if we don't have the genetics for it.

Without getting into the scalability of the modern game, both Cian Healy and Rob Kearney have both noticeably slimmed down and both having brilliant seasons.

Would be nice to see the game go the other way but don't see it happening soon and sadly only see it happening when the injury issues go completely out of control.

launish116 · 26-04-2018 02:27PM

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

Ok but if Rea is at 6 for example I think that is better.

Really think Rea is gonna get better. Full pre-season will do him good!

Faugheen · 26-04-2018 02:54PM

whatawaster wrote: »

I'd say Carbery or Byrne are both primed to be first choice at a province to be honest. Both have had 2 seasons under their belt - Carbery playing 6N/All-Blacks and 10/15 for Leinster. Byrne was Leinster's first choice 10 for much of this season due to circumstances.

I think you simply won't find better than either of those two.

If they want to go then it's looking at this stage that giving McPhiliips the chance to lead the line might not be the worst option. Bring in someone experienced as his backup, and sign up Cathal Marsh as 3rd choice

Carbery's best performances have come at 15. He's a very good one but I'm yet to be convinced by him as a 10 yet. He's not ready to be given that responsibility especially when you consider what Ulster are going through at the minute.

He's clearly a very talented player but a player of his skillset is much more suited to 15 and it has shown.

Byrne's game management is good and, again, a clearly talented player and I genuinely think he's closer to a 10 in the Sexton mould than Carbery, but he still has a lot to work on. He performed well as a back-up when called upon which is what he's supposed to be doing, and it's what Sexton did when he backed up Contepomi. However, Byrne is yet to have that real 'breakout' game like Sexton did against Munster at Croke Park, and until he does then he's not ready to have that weight of responsibility on his shoulders.

To me, Byrne is the better 10, but neither he nor Carbery should be moving North especially when Sexton will probably retire after the RWC.

bilston · 26-04-2018 02:57PM

launish116 wrote: »

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

Ok but if Rea is at 6 for example I think that is better.

Really think Rea is gonna get better. Full pre-season will do him good!

I agree with this. He has improved a lot this season. His carrying is getting better, his breakdown work is becoming a strength and he is a good lineout option as well. It will be harder next season.wirh Murphy and hopefully a fully fit Coetzee but if anything having those guys around him will help take him to another level.

He could eventually enter the conversation for inclusion in Ireland training squads, more likely after the WC, but obviously it's a competitive area!

26-04-2018 02:59PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Carbery's best performances have come at 15. He's a very good one but I'm yet to be convinced by him as a 10 yet. He's not ready to be given that responsibility especially when you consider what Ulster are going through at the minute.

He's clearly a very talented player but a player of his skillset is much more suited to 15 and it has shown.

Byrne's game management is good and, again, a clearly talented player and I genuinely think he's closer to a 10 in the Sexton mould than Carbery, but he still has a lot to work on. He performed well as a back-up when called upon which is what he's supposed to be doing, and it's what Sexton did when he backed up Contepomi. However, Byrne is yet to have that real 'breakout' game like Sexton did against Munster at Croke Park, and until he does then he's not ready to have that weight of responsibility on his shoulders.

To me, Byrne is the better 10, but neither he nor Carbery should be moving North especially when Sexton will probably retire after the RWC.

I personally think Carbery is the better player and will be the better 10 but your post got me thinking about Byrne and the accuracy of his cross field kicks and the serious amount of change Stockdale would get out of those kicks!

jacothelad · 26-04-2018 03:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This gonna sound mental but;

Ian Keatley to Ulster, Carbery to Munster?

G.A.F.Y.......:D:D:D:D:D

Actually I wouldn't mind Keatley at Ulster. He gets appalling crap dumped on him by Munster fans for things that all 10s do from time to time. It's invidious to compare him to Sexton and while Carbery clearly has a rake of talent I haven't seen it at 10 so much. Imagine what would happen on M.F. if he missed a penalty to touch. Carbery would be far better coming to Ravenhill where he could learn from McPhillips.........:D:D:D:D:D

p.s. I'm 69, from Co. Antrim and can use smilies.....

launish116 · 26-04-2018 03:15PM

bilston wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

Ok but if Rea is at 6 for example I think that is better.

Really think Rea is gonna get better. Full pre-season will do him good!

I agree with this. He has improved a lot this season. His carrying is getting better, his breakdown work is becoming a strength and he is a good lineout option as well. It will be harder next season.wirh Murphy and hopefully a fully fit Coetzee but if anything having those guys around him will help take him to another level.

He could eventually enter the conversation for inclusion in Ireland training squads, more likely after the WC, but obviously it's a competitive area!

Was thinking also this is really only his first season as a professional?

His body will of took a beating and won’t have had the benefit of academy’s strength & conditioning, training etc? I think definitely more strength/power to come. He may not get the headlines but he been going about his work and getting better.

Regardless of ****e this year. Genuinely looking forward to players like Rea and academy progressing.

Dubinusa · 26-04-2018 03:28PM

Agnew looks like a keeper also. With Rea, Timoney and Nordi, ye have the look of a good deep back row.

damianmcr · 26-04-2018 04:09PM

Dont forget Rea's younger brother. Supposedly better too.

awec · 26-04-2018 04:13PM

Is McPhillips even on a senior contract?

irishfan9 · 26-04-2018 04:14PM

awec wrote: »

Is McPhillips even on a senior contract?

yeah got one last season iirc

prawnsambo · 26-04-2018 04:15PM

Lads. Don't start getting too positive or awec will be along to rain on your parade... Oh sh1t, too late.

foxyladyxx · 26-04-2018 04:24PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Think his father is a big ceo so don't think money will be a factor for Byrne also Carberry was our 2nd choice full back before larmour and with Kearneys injury profile we would be crazy to let him go. Both are needed but both won't get huge gametime. Tough decision all round. We have the same situation at loose head but guys are young so they don't see the need to leave just yet.

I wasn't thinking that the carrot would be purely of mometary value to him.

He is my first choice after Sexton. Jackson was my first choice prior to recent events.

launish116 · 26-04-2018 04:42PM

Dubinusa wrote: »

Agnew looks like a keeper also. With Rea, Timoney and Nordi, ye have the look of a good deep back row.

Also Jones, Hall, Dunleavy, Rea Jnr, Allison following through. Just getting them balanced and meaningful game time with and experienced team now. With the likes of Murphy, Coetzee, Deysel helping to bring them on too.

damianmcr wrote: »

Dont forget Rea's younger brother. Supposedly better too.

Rea Jnr looked good for Ulster A's.

jacothelad · 26-04-2018 06:01PM

Dubinusa wrote: »

Agnew looks like a keeper also. With Rea, Timoney and Nordi, ye have the look of a good deep back row.

Add in Coetzee and Deysel if they ever get fit and that's quite a turn around from last season or so.

prawnsambo wrote: »

Lads. Don't start getting too positive or awec will be along to rain on your parade... Oh sh1t, too late.

Try loperamide. It might help.;)

Paul Smeenus · 26-04-2018 11:42PM

Faugheen wrote: »

whatawaster wrote: »

I'd say Carbery or Byrne are both primed to be first choice at a province to be honest. Both have had 2 seasons under their belt - Carbery playing 6N/All-Blacks and 10/15 for Leinster. Byrne was Leinster's first choice 10 for much of this season due to circumstances.

I think you simply won't find better than either of those two.

If they want to go then it's looking at this stage that giving McPhiliips the chance to lead the line might not be the worst option. Bring in someone experienced as his backup, and sign up Cathal Marsh as 3rd choice

Carbery's best performances have come at 15. He's a very good one but I'm yet to be convinced by him as a 10 yet. He's not ready to be given that responsibility especially when you consider what Ulster are going through at the minute.

He's clearly a very talented player but a player of his skillset is much more suited to 15 and it has shown.

Byrne's game management is good and, again, a clearly talented player and I genuinely think he's closer to a 10 in the Sexton mould than Carbery, but he still has a lot to work on. He performed well as a back-up when called upon which is what he's supposed to be doing, and it's what Sexton did when he backed up Contepomi. However, Byrne is yet to have that real 'breakout' game like Sexton did against Munster at Croke Park, and until he does then he's not ready to have that weight of responsibility on his shoulders.

To me, Byrne is the better 10, but neither he nor Carbery should be moving North especially when Sexton will probably retire after the RWC.

I think the point is that the move north might help us win the RWC. I would surmise that you have fundamentally misunderstood what the point of this suggestion is.

Neil3030 · 27-04-2018 12:31AM

Sexton should go to Ulster.

Carbery and Byrne need Lancaster's coaching.

No more conflict with Carbery being at Irish camp.

Ulster need a mentor for McPhilips.

Sexton's narkiness will help smarten up the Ulster setup in general.

It's the best thing for Irish rugby. Joe has Sexton's ear and vice versa. They can make it happen.

Neil3030 · 27-04-2018 12:33AM

Oh and Cooney could also get familiar with Sexton.

Dave_The_Sheep · 27-04-2018 12:55AM

Neil3030 wrote: »

Oh and Cooney could also get familiar with Sexton.

Giggidy.

swiwi_ · 27-04-2018 04:29AM

Lads, like I said. Graham Henry. Just look at the tackle technique. You'd be calling him the bone-cruncher in no time. Not to mention the guy is so awesome he even wears a watch when playing.

foxyladyxx · 27-04-2018 07:44AM

launish116 wrote: »

Also Jones, Hall, Dunleavy, Rea Jnr, Allison following through. Just getting them balanced and meaningful game time with and experienced team now. With the likes of Murphy, Coetzee, Deysel helping to bring them on too.

Rea Jnr looked good for Ulster A's.

Ross Byrne's brother is also said to be better than Ross.

irishfan9 · 27-04-2018 07:57AM

foxyladyxx wrote: »

Ross Byrne's brother is also said to be better than Ross.

potentially.. right now he isnt

$ausage$ · 27-04-2018 09:00AM

foxyladyxx wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Also Jones, Hall, Dunleavy, Rea Jnr, Allison following through. Just getting them balanced and meaningful game time with and experienced team now. With the likes of Murphy, Coetzee, Deysel helping to bring them on too.

Rea Jnr looked good for Ulster A's.

Ross Byrne's brother is also said to be better than Ross.

There is another backrow Caleb Montgomery plays for the A's. A Menace at the break down and some serious line breaks. Not sure what his future is though not getting any senior time yet.

launish116 · 27-04-2018 09:21AM

$ausage$ wrote: »

There is another backrow Caleb Montgomery plays for the A's. A Menace at the break down and some serious line breaks. Not sure what his future is though not getting any senior time yet.

Only seen him the once briefly in the pre-season friendlies and he seemed to have a bit of dog about him. He's the guy Gibbes brought from france? has he had a lot of injuries?

irishfan9 · 27-04-2018 09:22AM

gibbes didnt bring him from france.

$ausage$ · 27-04-2018 09:24AM

just did a quick google and found that he is at banbridge and only looks to have missed a few games for them so assuming they are when A's play.
14 games one try http://www.banbridgerfc.com/player/caleb-montgomery/
Also found this link to his reel from France.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuvS78Tkrhw

launish116 · 27-04-2018 09:28AM

Really do have potential coming through.

prawnsambo · 27-04-2018 09:29AM

$ausage$ wrote: »

just did a quick google and found that he is at banbridge and only looks to have missed a few games for them so assuming they are when A's play.
14 games one try http://www.banbridgerfc.com/player/caleb-montgomery/
Also found this link to his reel from France.

He's from Portadown originally isn't he?

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