Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

awec · 24-04-2018 08:11AM

If we have to take one of them I’d rather take Byrne.

Paul Smeenus · 24-04-2018 08:14AM

I think Byrne work be better for Ulster, but I want to win a RWC, and if we're doing this, we should go the whole hog and get Carbery. If we're prioritising Ireland over the provinces, let's do it properly, and not with half measures.

prawnsambo · 24-04-2018 08:16AM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Not very far. I'd like to get back to my substantive point, which is that this decision/pressure on the young lads is all about Team Ireland, but foolishly I included a criticism of Carbery which I thought balanced the overly positive picture being painted, and of course that became the most important thing to respond to. Sigh.

It was, because it was way ott. If you'd just said that about the kicks being charged down, I'd have just passed it by.

It isn't all about team Ireland either. Yes, that's clearly a factor, but Ulster badly need a ten and even I can see that Leinster have surplus. It's not a palatable decision, but I can see that it has to be made.

errlloyd · 24-04-2018 08:21AM

awec wrote: »

If we have to take one of them I’d rather take Byrne.

Posted in Leinster thread. But times now reporting neither will move.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fly-half-rivals-joey-carbery-and-ross-byrne-to-stay-with-leinster-7nnfj5s66

launish116 · 24-04-2018 08:26AM

errlloyd wrote: »

awec wrote: »

If we have to take one of them I’d rather take Byrne.

Posted in Leinster thread. But times now reporting neither will move.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fly-half-rivals-joey-carbery-and-ross-byrne-to-stay-with-leinster-7nnfj5s66

TBH not in Ulster's interest forcing an unwanted move to develop a short term player he will leave promptly. If anything it's a kick in the face for McPhilips.

prawnsambo · 24-04-2018 08:31AM

launish116 wrote: »

TBH not in Ulster's interest forcing an unwanted move to develop a short term player he will leave promptly. If anything it's a kick in the face for McPhilips.

Isn't McPhilips leaving?

launish116 · 24-04-2018 08:32AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

TBH not in Ulster's interest forcing an unwanted move to develop a short term player he will leave promptly. If anything it's a kick in the face for McPhilips.

Isn't McPhilips leaving?

Rumoured yes, but confirmed no? would be a shame now he's getting plenty of game time.

Paul Smeenus · 24-04-2018 08:53AM

Well, looks like it's all academic anyway.

prawnsambo · 24-04-2018 08:59AM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Well, looks like it's all academic anyway.

The headline doesn't reflect the content. It's basically a rehash of Fogarty's interview yesterday where he said they wouldn't be forcing any player out.

Bazzo · 24-04-2018 09:08AM

Ah lads I can't believe Ulster fans would seriously be turning their nose up at either of Carbery or Byrne at the minute. Talk about beggars being choosers...

bilston · 24-04-2018 09:10AM

clsmooth wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

The above conversation got me thinking who was the last Ulster player to be a regular in the No.8 position for Ireland. I'm thinking you'd have to go as far back as Brian Robinson. Anyone think of anyone more recent?

Didn’t Paddy Johns play 8 for a while with Ireland?

I don't remember it myself but it's possible.

Although I just remembered about Dion O'Cuienneagain (spelling is definitely wrong) who was more recent than Robinson.

bilston · 24-04-2018 09:11AM

Bazzo wrote: »

Ah lads I can't believe Ulster fans would seriously be turning their nose up at either of Carbery or Byrne at the minute. Talk about beggars being choosers...

Sure we're a basket case...

launish116 · 24-04-2018 09:22AM

On another note, PR band wagon:
Ulster to host Uruguay in November

bilston · 24-04-2018 09:43AM

launish116 wrote: »

On another note, PR band wagon:
Ulster to host Uruguay in November

The first step to independence!

awec · 24-04-2018 09:44AM

Can’t help but feel Ulster are going to get absolutely screwed over at out half.

jacothelad · 24-04-2018 09:48AM

Bazzo wrote: »

Ah lads I can't believe Ulster fans would seriously be turning their nose up at either of Carbery or Byrne at the minute. Talk about beggars being choosers...

I doubt they would turn up their nose at either but Ulster aren't begging for anything. It isn't Ulster's idea nor did Ulster order the exile of a very good 10 of our own.

sydthebeat · 24-04-2018 09:49AM

awec wrote: »

Can’t help but feel Ulster are going to get absolutely screwed over at out half.

in what way?

launish116 · 24-04-2018 09:55AM

awec wrote: »

Can’t help but feel Ulster are going to get absolutely screwed over at out half.

TBH if keeping McPhilips and a leinster out half meant getting another decent 2nd row/loosehead. I'd eat there arm off. Strengthen the forwards and let McPhilips grow another season. But that is only a dream.
Without that I'd want McPhilips to get as much game time as possible. McPhilips looks very slight? was Jackson as slight when he broke through.

awec · 24-04-2018 09:58AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

in what way?

In that if we’re lucky we’ll be going in to the season pinning all our hopes on McPhillips.

Not a great situation.

If Carbery and Byrne say no then time for the IRFU to splash the cash even if it means paying over the odds. They created this mess.

bilston · 24-04-2018 09:59AM

Carbery would be a great signing. With Piutau going and serious doubts over Payne we need a good full back.

launish116 · 24-04-2018 10:01AM

bilston wrote: »

Carbery would be a great signing. With Piutau going and serious doubts over Payne we need a good full back.

That's the issue he wouldn't becoming for game time at 15! though. I'd be very happy with him playing there though.

dregin · 24-04-2018 10:05AM

awec wrote: »

If we have to take one of them I’d rather take Byrne.

And if we had to send one, I'd rather it was Carbery. So, I think we're on the same page. I definitely think Leinster management agree when it comes to the pecking order of starters at 10.

dregin · 24-04-2018 10:06AM

awec wrote: »

In that if we’re lucky we’ll be going in to the season pinning all our hopes on McPhillips.

Not a great situation.

If Carbery and Byrne say no then time for the IRFU to splash the cash even if it means paying over the odds. They created this mess.

That's extremely questionable.

launish116 · 24-04-2018 10:22AM

This not start the blame game again, we are where we are! all we can do is envisage some solutions now?

dregin · 24-04-2018 10:23AM

If the deal can't be done for Carberry or Byrne and the IRFU are forced to spend cash, I believe it should be on getting Madigan back.

thomond2006 · 24-04-2018 10:24AM

awec wrote: »

Can’t help but feel Ulster are going to get absolutely screwed over at out half.

launish116 · 24-04-2018 10:24AM

dregin wrote: »

If the deal can't be done for Carberry or Byrne and the IRFU are forced to spend cash, I believe it should be on getting Madigan back.

More chance Jackson coming back to Ulster that Madigan!

thomond2006 · 24-04-2018 10:27AM

Madigan is the starting 10 at a very exciting team in Bristol who are splashing the cash. He would be taking a pay cut to come to Ulster. It's not happening.

dregin · 24-04-2018 10:28AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Madigan is the starting 10 at a very exciting team in Bristol who are splashing the cash. He would be taking a pay cut to come to Ulster. It's not happening.

I said if the IRFU were splashing cash. Obviously enough to entice him back. Anyway, looks like Cathal Marsh on his way lads. Yiz'll be grand!

launish116 · 24-04-2018 10:31AM

Silly suggestion but we did have a scrum half/out half who left recently and who has had a year abroad, if hey came back it would severally alter anti Irfu undertone.

Not to mention bring leadership, game management, experience and could potentially mentor both positions.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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