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ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-04-2018 10:07AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

what about Ireland where rape victims were imprisoned all their lives.
I just watched a documentary where a woman said as a young girl a priest ejaculated on her clothes and she did not know what it was.

We have had the same levels of depravity here.

Were...had...

Hence the difference.

Appledreams15 · 22-04-2018 10:08AM

Presley Harsh Muzzle wrote: »

Appledreams15 wrote: »

what about Ireland where rape victims were imprisoned all their lives.
I just watched a documentary where a woman said as a young girl a priest ejaculated on her clothes and she did not know what it was.

We have had the same levels of depravity here.

Were...had...

Hence the difference.

The united natuona current condemnation of human rights abuses of women in Ireland is current.
Did you miss that one?

Fann Linn · 22-04-2018 10:08AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

No. The United nations condemning human rights abuses of women in Ireland.

Current.

Ah yes. The UN who made Saudi Arabia the representatives for Women's Rights.

I don't hold that shower in the high esteem that you do Apples.

Appledreams15 · 22-04-2018 10:11AM

Of course. Lets disregard the entire United nations, they know nothing.
I would be more mortified that they have flagged us for human rights abuses, and think what we can do to change

Appledreams15 · 22-04-2018 10:13AM

United nations: women are currently not having their human rights met in Ireland.
Other countries in Europe: that is shocking, the amount of abuse stories coming out of Ireland.
Men in Ireland: there is no problem here.

Bowlardo · 22-04-2018 10:16AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

What about girls who were raped being locked up all their lives in the laundries. That was Ireland.
Stories of girls in the laundries being raped by priests, that was Ireland.

How exactly is Ireland better?

That was at least 30 or 40 years ago. We have clearly addressed it. The laundries don’t exist anymore. Religion is quite close to being completely removed from hospitals and schools. The native practicing religion regularly is dwindling. Repeal the 8th should get a yes vote. We have a had 2 woman presidents. More girls are attending university than boys. I think Irish men are quite respectful to their wives , daughters and sisters, certainly compared to other countries yet the constant everything is ****e here and all men are bastards is getting tired very very fast.

“How is Ireland better?” You ask .... are you serious?

Appledreams15 · 22-04-2018 10:17AM

Bowlardo wrote: »

Appledreams15 wrote: »

What about girls who were raped being locked up all their lives in the laundries. That was Ireland.
Stories of girls in the laundries being raped by priests, that was Ireland.

How exactly is Ireland better?

That was at least 30 or 40 years ago. We have clearly addressed it. The laundries don’t exist anymore. Religion is quite close to being completely removed from hospitals and schools. The native practicing religion regularly is dwindling. Repeal the 8th should get a yes vote. We have a had 2 woman presidents. More girls are attending university than boys. I think Irish men are quite respectful to their wives , daughters and sisters, certainly compared to other countries yet the constant everything is ****e here and all men are bastards is getting tired very very fast.

“How is Ireland better?” You ask .... are you serious?

Care to comment on the United nations condemnation of human rights abuses of women in Ireland.
That is NOW.
Not 30-40 years ago.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-04-2018 10:17AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Of course. Lets disregard the entire United nations, they know nothing.
I would be more mortified that they have flagged us for human rights abuses, and think what we can do to change

I believe that was mostly abortion related. The UN’s job is to criticise. I’m sure most countries were criticised. Would hope so.

khaldrogo · 22-04-2018 10:17AM

I've always been a bit uneasy around Indian people. I worked in an Indian takeaway for a few years in my youth and over the years have had dealings through my current work with them.
I am good at reading people and body language and always felt behind the smiling and 'my friend' BS was something darker.

One of the married men in his thirties was clearly up to something with his 13 yr old niece, and she was happy about it.

khaldrogo · 22-04-2018 10:19AM

na1 wrote:

Indians could say the same about Ireland. Because this county doesn't meet their expectation of the "normal" society

If raping babies is 'normal' then kill me now

Appledreams15 · 22-04-2018 10:20AM

Bowlardo wrote: »

Appledreams15 wrote: »

What about girls who were raped being locked up all their lives in the laundries. That was Ireland.
Stories of girls in the laundries being raped by priests, that was Ireland.

How exactly is Ireland better?

That was at least 30 or 40 years ago. We have clearly addressed it. The laundries don’t exist anymore. Religion is quite close to being completely removed from hospitals and schools. The native practicing religion regularly is dwindling. Repeal the 8th should get a yes vote. We have a had 2 woman presidents. More girls are attending university than boys. I think Irish men are quite respectful to their wives , daughters and sisters, certainly compared to other countries yet the constant everything is ****e here and all men are bastards is getting tired very very fast.

“How is Ireland better?” You ask .... are you serious?

It is just impossible to talk to people living in a bubble.
I have heard in another European country this week,
"Ireland is in the stone age with how it treats women"
On a world stage we are seen as very bad.
But it is very hard to get that across to people who don't live abroad for a length of time.
They are so isolated in ireland that they think it is normal.

Fann Linn · 22-04-2018 10:24AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is just impossible to talk to people living in a bubble.
I have heard in another European country this week,
"Ireland is in the stone age with how it treats women"
On a world stage we are seen as very bad.
But it is very hard to get that across to people who don't live abroad for a length of time.
They are so isolated in ireland that they think it is normal.

How is everything going in that bastion of all Human Rights, ie Turkey, which you're so fond of?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-04-2018 10:27AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is just impossible to talk to people living in a bubble.
I have heard in another European country this week,
"Ireland is in the stone age with how it treats women"
On a world stage we are seen as very bad.
But it is very hard to get that across to people who don't live abroad for a length of time.
They are so isolated in ireland that they think it is normal.

Or you talked to a bigot. If you talked to anyone.

Galwayguy35 · 22-04-2018 10:32AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is just impossible to talk to people living in a bubble.
I have heard in another European country this week,
"Ireland is in the stone age with how it treats women"
On a world stage we are seen as very bad.
But it is very hard to get that across to people who don't live abroad for a length of time.
They are so isolated in ireland that they think it is normal.

What country did you hear this in then?

22-04-2018 10:41AM

Appledreams15 wrote:

United nations: women are currently not having their human rights met in Ireland. Other countries in Europe: that is shocking, the amount of abuse stories coming out of Ireland. Men in Ireland: there is no problem here.

There isn't.

Appledreams15 wrote:

I have heard in another European country this week, "Ireland is in the stone age with how it treats women".

You didn't.

garbo speaks · 23-04-2018 11:12AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I have heard in another European country this week,
"Ireland is in the stone age with how it treats women"

Nonsense.:rolleyes:

Wibbs · 27-04-2018 10:47AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is just impossible to talk to people living in a bubble.

The irony is incredible here.

I have heard in another European country this week,
"Ireland is in the stone age with how it treats women"
On a world stage we are seen as very bad.

This is a complete and utter nonsense, to the point of delusion.

But it is very hard to get that across to people who don't live abroad for a length of time.
They are so isolated in ireland that they think it is normal.

You do realise that of all the countries in Europe Irish people are about the most likely to emigrate abroad and make up one of the largest diasporas on the planet?

Grayson · 27-04-2018 11:43AM

garbo speaks wrote: »

...and here we have nutjob feminazis saying we have a rape culture ...

You do realize that rape culture doesn't just refer to a culture that rapes people. It also refers to the attitudes surrounding rape.
So for example in the west a man is less likely to report when they've been raped than a woman. It's because it's seen as a weakness. That is part of rape culture.

You may interpret the phrase literally but it's an academic phrase and it's not meant to be taken litteraly.

It doesn't mean that we are anything like the situation in India.

Grayson · 27-04-2018 11:49AM

screamer wrote: »

Seriously are you that surprised? In a country with its caste system. In a country with one billion people. Life is cheap and their social systems mean that the life of some is cheaper than others. As for the particular case it is disgusting and there's no punishment harsh enough for the animals who did that to the poor child.
They won't change a thing over there. There have been a number of high profile rape murder cases and nothing changes. I have female friends who travelled there and the stories they tell are hair raising and not in a good way.

There's still religious prostitution in some places. Young girls are sold to temples and sold into a life of prostitution. There's some good documentaries on it on youtube if you have strong stomach.

However it's mainly in poorer communities where it's the worst. Educated middle class people generally have a better opinion.

Generally but not always. The BJP are stirring up nationalist and religious attitudes. So crap like the caste system is still seen as not just acceptable, but valuable, by some people.

As a side note, christians and muslims are quite often persecuted by hindu's. The hatred of them goes back generations. It's because most converts back then were from lower castes and they converted as a way of escaping the caste system. Hindu's however automatically disliked them at the and the dislike of christians and muslims carried on.

Appledreams15 · 29-04-2018 11:43AM

garbo speaks wrote: »

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I have heard in another European country this week,
"Ireland is in the stone age with how it treats women"

Nonsense.:rolleyes:

It is not nonsense. Ireland consistently comes up in news reports in Europe as having some of the strictest abortion laws in Europe, and violating human rights of women. How often do you want to bury your head in the sand?

wexie · 29-04-2018 11:44AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is not nonsense. Ireland consistently comes up in news reports in Europe as having some of the strictest abortion laws in Europe, and violating human rights of women. How often do you want to bury your head in the sand?

You wouldn't link some of these reports for us would you?

Just so we can see for our selves like

Appledreams15 · 29-04-2018 11:46AM

Bowlardo wrote: »

Appledreams15 wrote: »

What about girls who were raped being locked up all their lives in the laundries. That was Ireland.
Stories of girls in the laundries being raped by priests, that was Ireland.

How exactly is Ireland better?

That was at least 30 or 40 years ago. We have clearly addressed it. The laundries don’t exist anymore. Religion is quite close to being completely removed from hospitals and schools. The native practicing religion regularly is dwindling. Repeal the 8th should get a yes vote. We have a had 2 woman presidents. More girls are attending university than boys. I think Irish men are quite respectful to their wives , daughters and sisters, certainly compared to other countries yet the constant everything is ****e here and all men are bastards is getting tired very very fast.

“How is Ireland better?” You ask .... are you serious?

So if we are 30-40 years ahead of:
Imprisoning rape victims for life.
Mass sexual abuse of children.
Murder of children (tuam babies).

We are hardly better than India are we? We are merely 30-40 years ahead of them. We were once at the exact same doldrums that they are at.

pjohnson · 29-04-2018 11:47AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

So if we are 30-40 years ahead of:
Imprisoning rape victims for life.
Mass sexual abuse of children.
Murder of children (tuam babies).

We are hardly better than India are we? We are merely 30-40 years ahead of them. We were once at the exact same doldrums that they are at.

BINGO

BINGO

We have Ireland = India again

Mongfinder General · 29-04-2018 11:50AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

So if we are 30-40 years ahead of:
Imprisoning rape victims for life.
Mass sexual abuse of children.
Murder of children (tuam babies).

We are hardly better than India are we? We are merely 30-40 years ahead of them. We were once at the exact same doldrums that they are at.

Well given the choice, where would you rather live? India or Ireland?

taserfrank · 29-04-2018 11:50AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

We are hardly better than India are we? We are merely 30-40 years ahead of them. We were once at the exact same doldrums that they are at.

What a completely ludicrous statement. Even the Ireland of sixty years ago was light years ahead of their modern-day savage, misogynist squalor.

wexie · 29-04-2018 11:51AM

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Well given the choice, where would you rather live? India or Ireland?

maybe narrow it down to a particular timeframe as well....

:pac:

29-04-2018 11:51AM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It is not nonsense. Ireland consistently comes up in news reports in Europe as having some of the strictest abortion laws in Europe, and violating human rights of women. How often do you want to bury your head in the sand?

That’s changing as we speak. Outside of abortion, what disadvantages do women face that men don’t? Go on? Tell us and don’t ignore it. Highlight the injustices. If you say anything pro gender quotas, your whole argument is moot by the way. So go ahead enraged sister. What ya got for us?

For what it’s worth, my direct boss is a woman. We’ve had two female presidents before the current one. Last Garda Commissioner was of the fairer sex too. Go on....

Graces7 · 29-04-2018 04:10PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

'WAS' being the appropriate word in everyone of your posts.

The abuse was well within iiving memory and many survivors and their families and the families of lost ones are still alive and hurting. We cannot just turn our backs, and be like ostriches about it all. It has shaped the way Ireland is today and will be tomorrow.

Graces7 · 29-04-2018 04:15PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

We are all aware of what happened here in Ireland, it was wrong but we can't change the past and this country is a much better place in 2018 than parts of India is.

As someone who came here to live all you seem to do is criticize the place.

NO but we can be aware of the past and not hide heads in the sand.

These events cast long shadows and in their own way are far worse then India

Seeing this my country of residence without your rose-coloured glasses is a healthier attitude by far. The fact that you see this as criticism?

FTA69 · 29-04-2018 04:17PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

So if we are 30-40 years ahead of:
Imprisoning rape victims for life.
Mass sexual abuse of children.
Murder of children (tuam babies).

We are hardly better than India are we? We are merely 30-40 years ahead of them. We were once at the exact same doldrums that they are at.

Errah will you ever behave.

It's possible to say that women in Ireland lack rights and women in India lack lots of rights and for both of those points to be valid. You don't have to make these moralising equivalencies to bolster your argument - especially ones that just don't bear up in reality.

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