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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #7352
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,837 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    Anyone else finding their views contrasting with those of their families? I'm the only one in my immediate family who's going to repeal the 8th

    Literally don't know what to say to granny when she says im in favour in killing babies, the couple times its been brought up the last few weeks i never know how to respond to that accusation


  • #7353
    zedhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭zedhead


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    By repealing the 8th amendment will abortion in cases where the mothers life and health is at risk be legal in Ireland?

    It will take away the barrier that stops it now and allow for our politicians to legislate for that. Without repealing the 8th, legislation cannot be implemented to allow for that.

    The only way to achieve what you are in favour of is to start my repealing the 8th.


  • #7354
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    zedhead wrote: »
    It will take away the barrier that stops it now and allow for our politicians to legislate for that. Without repealing the 8th, legislation cannot be implemented to allow for that.

    The only way to achieve what you are in favour of is to start my repealing the 8th.

    So the answer is no. Thanks


  • #7355
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    kylith wrote: »
    (He snuck into your house and replaced all your pills with mini mints)

    :pac:

    It was the nuva ring, it actually worked really well for two years! I was devastated when it failed. I have implanon now, someone told me yesterday her third baby was conceived with implanon in her arm, scared the crap out of me.


  • #7356
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod- This is getting a bit heated. Everyone needs to step back please and calm down.

    Thread locked for 15 minutes to allow a little cooling off.


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  • #7357
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Reopened


  • #7358
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Are you actually f*cking serious with what you just said?

    See my previous post, their attitude smacks of “I’m alright Jack, **** you and your troubles”


  • #7359
    Kk333
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Kk333


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    Anyone else finding their views contrasting with those of their families? I'm the only one in my immediate family who's going to repeal the 8th

    Literally don't know what to say to granny when she says im in favour in killing babies, the couple times its been brought up the last few weeks i never know how to respond to that accusation

    Different times. Bite your lip with your granny and vote the way you want. You'll never win that battle.


  • #7360
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    Has there been much online advertising?

    I dont do facebook and use an ad blocker so i basically dont see adverts.


  • #7361
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    Anyone else finding their views contrasting with those of their families? I'm the only one in my immediate family who's going to repeal the 8th

    Literally don't know what to say to granny when she says im in favour in killing babies, the couple times its been brought up the last few weeks i never know how to respond to that accusation

    Like the previous reply said, bite your lip, there’s no point in falling out with each other over an issue that’ll be resolved one way or the other in 5 weeks time.

    In the meantime, if you really want to have a discussion about it with your family, maybe print out some of the In Her Shoes stories and ask their opinion on them in a non-confrontational way?


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  • #7362
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Has there been much online advertising?

    I dont do facebook and use an ad blocker so i basically dont see adverts.

    Yes there has, ive seen ads from both sides.


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  • #7365
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    seamus wrote: »
    I don't think you understand what the word "lie" means Robert.
    There are no statements in that leaflets about what "will" happen, just what "may" happen.

    And none of them were lies.

    The morning after pill was banned in Ireland until 2003.
    Women who are ill in pregnancy often do not get treated if it poses a risk to the unborn.
    As mentioned above, the only treatment for pre-eclampsia is termination. Irish women with this condition have to engage in a balancing act where they're continually monitored and the pregnancy brought as far as the doctors believe is possible, before delivery. And that brings along with it a lot of potential lifelong complications and increased risk factors for other conditions; for both mother and child.

    Whereas an early diagnosis with pre-eclampsia could allow for an early termination before it becomes any more complicated, this is just not an option in Ireland.

    Scaremongering by the anti-amendment side then.
    So the 8th amendment didn't ban something that was already banned before it existed?


  • #7366
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    BarleySweets wrote: »
    See my previous post, their attitude smacks of “I’m alright Jack, **** you and your troubles”

    Honestly, I've heard all sorts of stuff from pro-lifers but that takes the biscuit.

    Couldn't give a toss about the miscarriages we had to endure and the abortion that was denied to us here that we had to go travel for it, but instead blames me for it and basically suggests I get a vasectomy as a form of birth control.

    If the 8th was repealed we would have never had to travel, and anyone that knows half a clue about gynecology would understand that a heart-shaped uterus means the fate of your baby all depends on where the baby implants, and if they implant in the wrong area then odds are that the baby will not grow properly and will pass away, the amniotic sac will rupture and in turn your waters will break very, very, very early, meaning the baby will die.

    But sure that's my fault for not getting the snip like.


  • #7367
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    So the answer is no. Thanks

    Actually, the answer is yes. The only way abortion can be legislated for for maternal health is to repeal the 8th


  • #7368
    Kk333
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Kk333


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Haha best of look if he does that. Dont mess with grannies.


  • #7369
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Kk333 wrote:
    Haha best of look if he does that. Dont mess with grannies.

    Maybe, but it might be worth a try. I changed my granny's mind by telling her the reality. I told her that if I got pregnant, that I likely can't afford to travel for it. There is also a chance that any abortion pills ordered online will be stopped at customs. However, one way or another, I will do whatever physically necessary to not be pregnant. She can choose to force that on me, or she can vote to make it a lot safer and easier. I didn't get angry about it, I didn't get emotional. I just laid out my options and explaim how she has a hand to play in those options.


    It's easy to say No when you're thinking of some random girl and some random pregnancy. It's a lot harder to say No when you realise that this decision affects people you care about.


  • #7370
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    There are very few guarantees in life with the exception of death and taxes. What you're effectively saying is that I want access to abortion in the event that my contraceptive pill fails i.e. abortion should be a form a birth control because I don't want to take responsibility for my decisions in life.

    If you don't want to have children, there is no reason why you can't have sex and avoid pregnancy unless you are extremely unlucky or reckless, this is a fact which every medical professional will tell you. If you are in an adult relationship and want to enjoy sex then go ahead and tear the mattress to shreds, but if you become pregnant even though you took precautions then that is your tough luck! You knew the risks but wanted the rewards. We don't get everything we want in life all of the time and these arguments of the imaginary victims and the marginal cases to try and prove and point which you have no interest in defending hold no water. It's called personal responsibility or is that the part of the conversation where you stick fingers in your ears while you clock up 5000 posts in a year and complain how you never got the same opportunities as everybody else in life.


  • #7371
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Maybe, but it might be worth a try. I changed my granny's mind by telling her the reality. I told her that if I got pregnant, that I likely can't afford to travel for it. There is also a chance that any abortion pills ordered online will be stopped at customs. However, one way or another, I will do whatever physically necessary to not be pregnant. She can choose to force that on me, or she can vote to make it a lot safer and easier. I didn't get angry about it, I didn't get emotional. I just laid out my options and explaim how she has a hand to play in those options.

    It's easy to say No when you're thinking of some random girl and some random pregnancy. It's a lot harder to say No when you realise that this decision affects people you care about.

    This economic argument really doesn't hold up. Ireland is not some economic backwater or third world country. Pro Choice advocates trying to make out that Women are travelling across the Irish sea with two and sixpence is nonsense.


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  • #7372
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    There are very few guarantees in life with the exception of death and taxes. What you're effectively saying is that I want access to abortion in the event that my contraceptive pill fails i.e. abortion should be a form a birth control because I don't want to take responsibility for my decisions in life.

    If you don't want to have children, there is no reason why you can't have sex and avoid pregnancy unless you are extremely unlucky or reckless, this is a fact which every medical professional will tell you. If you are in an adult relationship and want to enjoy sex then go ahead and tear the mattress to shreds, but if you become pregnant even though you took precautions then that is your tough luck! You knew the risks but wanted the rewards. We don't get everything we want in life all of the time and these arguments of the imaginary victims and the marginal cases to try and prove and point which you have no interest in defending hold no water. It's called personal responsibility or is that the part of the conversation where you stick fingers in your ears while you clock up 5000 posts in a year and complain how you never got the same opportunities as everybody else in life.

    For some people having an abortion IS taking personal responsibility. Just because it isn’t a choice you would make doesn’t make it a wrong one.

    It is in the best interests of neither women nor babies to have parenthood forced on them, to teach them some sort of life lesson.

    You are weaponizing children into punishments to be bestowed on their ‘careless’ mothers.
    Which leads me to believe you are pro-birth, not pro-life.

    Because if you cared about the life that child would be born into at all, you’d trust the mother when she says she CANNOT do it.
    She will be the one bringing up this child, she knows what life she can give this child.
    Forcing motherhood on a woman who doesn’t want it and bringing an unwanted child into a life of neglect/ poverty/ disability, the list goes on, is in no ones best interests.
    Least of all the baby.


  • #7373
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    For some people having an abortion IS taking personal responsibility. Just because it isn’t a choice you would make doesn’t make it a wrong one.

    It is in the best interests of neither women nor babies to have parenthood forced on them, to teach them some sort of life lesson.

    You are weaponizing children into punishments to be bestowed on their ‘careless’ mothers m. Which leads me to believe you are pro-birth, not pro-life.

    Because if you cared about the life that child would be born into at all, you’d trust the mother when she says she CANNOT do it. You would believe her and not force a child into a situation where it’s unwanted.

    But nobody is forcing you to have sex. It's a choice. You are choosing as an adult to have sex and surely you know that there is a risk that you could get pregnant regardless of whether you take precautions.


  • #7374
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    There are very few guarantees in life with the exception of death and taxes. What you're effectively saying is that I want access to abortion in the event that my contraceptive pill fails i.e. abortion should be a form a birth control because I don't want to take responsibility for my decisions in life.

    If you don't want to have children, there is no reason why you can't have sex and avoid pregnancy unless you are extremely unlucky or reckless, this is a fact which every medical professional will tell you. If you are in an adult relationship and want to enjoy sex then go ahead and tear the mattress to shreds, but if you become pregnant even though you took precautions then that is your tough luck! You knew the risks but wanted the rewards. We don't get everything we want in life all of the time and these arguments of the imaginary victims and the marginal cases to try and prove and point which you have no interest in defending hold no water. It's called personal responsibility or is that the part of the conversation where you stick fingers in your ears while you clock up 5000 posts in a year and complain how you never got the same opportunities as everybody else in life.

    It must be great living in your Ivory Tower never making a mistake or having bad luck.

    At this stage I’m inclined to think you’re either incredibly naive or incredibly stuck in your pious ways.

    There’s no point in engaging with you. There’s no rational discussion to be had.


  • #7375
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote:
    This economic argument really doesn't hold up. Ireland is not some economic backwater or third world country. Pro Choice advocates trying to make out that Women are travelling across the Irish sea with two and sixpence is nonsense.

    I'm earning about €100 a week with a car to run, a loan to pay off and a postgrad to fund. Tell me exactly how I can afford to travel to the UK on a day return flight and pay for an abortion? Tell me that, since you seem to know so much.


  • #7376
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    If you don't want to have children, there is no reason why you can't have sex and avoid pregnancy unless you are extremely unlucky or reckless,
    You knew the risks but wanted the rewards..

    And what if I am unlucky? You believe I should be forced to be pregnant for 9 months? I should be forced to give birth? To a child I don't & never will want?

    What about the risks people take with alcohol, smokers, sportsmen? Should we refuse to treat them also because they knew the risks?


  • #7377
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    But nobody is forcing you to have sex. It's a choice. You are choosing as an adult to have sex and surely you know that there is a risk that you could get pregnant regardless of whether you take precautions.

    What a naive, unrealistic viewpoint. Sex is part of any healthy relationship.
    I’m not going to stop having sex with my boyfriend just because my contraception might fail and we don’t want a baby right now.
    Pull the other one.


  • #7378
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    dudara wrote: »
    It must be great living in your Ivory Tower never making a mistake or having bad luck.

    At this stage I’m inclined to think you’re either incredibly naive or incredibly stuck in your pious ways.

    There’s no point in engaging with you. There’s no rational discussion to be had.

    I've made plenty of mistakes, probably more than most people.


  • #7379
    groovyg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭groovyg


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    This economic argument really doesn't hold up. Ireland is not some economic backwater or third world country. Pro Choice advocates trying to make out that Women are travelling across the Irish sea with two and sixpence is nonsense.

    Lucky you! Never had to draw the dole.


  • #7380
    Hannibal_Smith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    There are very few guarantees in life with the exception of death and taxes. What you're effectively saying is that I want access to abortion in the event that my contraceptive pill fails i.e. abortion should be a form a birth control because I don't want to take responsibility for my decisions in life.

    If you don't want to have children, there is no reason why you can't have sex and avoid pregnancy unless you are extremely unlucky or reckless, this is a fact which every medical professional will tell you. If you are in an adult relationship and want to enjoy sex then go ahead and tear the mattress to shreds, but if you become pregnant even though you took precautions then that is your tough luck! You knew the risks but wanted the rewards. We don't get everything we want in life all of the time and these arguments of the imaginary victims and the marginal cases to try and prove and point which you have no interest in defending hold no water. It's called personal responsibility or is that the part of the conversation where you stick fingers in your ears while you clock up 5000 posts in a year and complain how you never got the same opportunities as everybody else in life.

    Fair play to you if you fancy the ride and can stop to evaluate all the consequences :pac:


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  • #7381
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    What a naive, unrealistic viewpoint. Sex is part of any healthy relationship.
    I’m not going to stop having sex with my boyfriend just because my contraception might fail and we don’t want a baby right now.
    Pull the other one.

    Nobody is asking you stop having sex, where has anyone suggested that you stop having sex?

    So all this about repealing the 8th as a healthcare issue is just a ruse because you want abortion to be available as a form of birth control in case you contraception fails.


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