The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

January · 19-04-2018 02:42PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is probably that way for the women in the UK who are on the 7th, 8th or 9th abortion.

7, 8 or 9 abortions over a period of 25+ years of fertility (lets leave out that girls are fertile much younger than age 20 but shure...) ... how many chances is that to get pregnant again... 300 times... hmmm.

ohnonotgmail · 19-04-2018 02:44PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is probably that way for the women in the UK who are on the 7th, 8th or 9th abortion.

you really shouldn't rely on the daily mail for objective reporting on anything.

RobertKK · 19-04-2018 02:46PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Surprised you came back tbh after your absolute shambles of an "accurate 12 week old fetus" picture.

Women having a choice bothers you Robert, doesn't it?

I'm sorry but you think human have bobble heads as the head was too big to be proportionate, but it didn't suit, so you had to see what wasn't there. All that was wrong was the colour.

The choice to kill is an issue.

RobertKK · 19-04-2018 02:47PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you really shouldn't rely on the daily mail for objective reporting on anything.

Between 30% and 34% of abortions are repeat abortions.

PhoenixParker · 19-04-2018 02:47PM

January wrote: »

7, 8 or 9 abortions over a period of 25+ years of fertility (lets leave out that girls are fertile much younger than age 20 but shure...) ... how many chances is that to get pregnant again... 300 times... hmmm.

But don’t you understand that the answer to a tiny minority of women being irresponsible is to punish all women collectively?

Triceratops Ballet · 19-04-2018 02:47PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Between 30% and 34% of abortions are repeat abortions.

so?

RobertKK · 19-04-2018 02:48PM

January wrote: »

7, 8 or 9 abortions over a period of 25+ years of fertility (lets leave out that girls are fertile much younger than age 20 but shure...) ... how many chances is that to get pregnant again... 300 times... hmmm.

They mustn't understand how it happens...

BarleySweets · 19-04-2018 02:48PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is probably that way for the women in the UK who are on the 7th, 8th or 9th abortion.

Robert! Hey buddy! Good to see you back! How would you like women on their 7th, 8th or 9th abortions to be treated by our society?

Also, is 6 and under good by you? What makes the 7th one the kicker?

RobertKK · 19-04-2018 02:49PM

BarleySweets wrote: »

Robert! Hey buddy! Good to see you back! How would you like women on their 7th, 8th or 9th abortions to be treated by our society?

Also, is 6 and under good by you? What makes the 7th one the kicker?

To be taught sex education.

BarleySweets · 19-04-2018 02:51PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They mustn't understand how it happens...

Well in fairness, if Fianna Fáil keeps voting against sex education classes, how do you expect them to learn how it happens? Afterall, priests aren’t allowed to give their alter boys and girls “special education” anymore!

ELM327 · 19-04-2018 02:51PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Ahh sure we will be out & about sleeping with everyone, without any contraception because we will be able to run in at lunchtime & get a quick abortion.

RobertKK wrote: »

It is probably that way for the women in the UK who are on the 7th, 8th or 9th abortion.

With the multiple risks of clotting, haemorrhaging (or for the US based Robert hemorrhaging ), that's not really likely to be true now is it. Come on Robert you can do better than that.

Give us some more fake news, doctored photos will you? The NFL Draft isnt on for a couple of days yet so you should have some free time.

SusieBlue · 19-04-2018 02:51PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Between 30% and 34% of abortions are repeat abortions.

In that case, should we abolish the social welfare system just because a small percentage of our population are work shy and see the dole as a career choice?

Or do we keep it, knowing a small amount will abuse the system, but taking it as a necessary evil to allow those in genuine crisis's and in desperate need of assistance get the help they need during a tough time?

Its exactly the same thing.

January · 19-04-2018 02:51PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They mustn't understand how it happens...

Or their contraception failed, or they can't use contraception, or they are in abusive relationships and are being stealthed by their partners.

It's absolutely none of your business how many abortions a woman has in her lifetime, if she doesn't feel she is able to have a child she shouldn't be forced into it. Whether she is being responsible or irresponsible, why would you force an irresponsible woman to raise a child?

ELM327 · 19-04-2018 02:52PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Between 30% and 34% of abortions are repeat abortions.

a) So?
b) Source? Is this like the "1 in 5" stats that were roundly laughed at and debunked?

January · 19-04-2018 02:53PM

We're just getting down to the crux of it, Robert doesn't like women who have sex for pleasure. That's all.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 19-04-2018 02:54PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I'm sorry but you think human have bobble heads as the head was too big to be proportionate, but it didn't suit, so you had to see what wasn't there. All that was wrong was the colour.

The choice to kill is an issue.

The colour, the limbs, the facial features, the proportions. And not randomly wrong, wrong in a way specifically and explicitly aimed to make it look more like a baby.

Literally you could post a picture of a Barbie doll and say it's basically just a scaled down woman and it'd be as sensible a statement.

baylah17 · 19-04-2018 02:55PM

BarleySweets wrote: »

RobertKK wrote: »

It is probably that way for the women in the UK who are on the 7th, 8th or 9th abortion.

Robert! Hey buddy! Good to see you back! How would you like women on their 7th, 8th or 9th abortions to be treated by our society?

Also, is 6 and under good by you? What makes the 7th one the kicker?

Woohoo Free abortions for everyone
Maybe have abortion scratch cards where you win multiple deluxe abortions at the resort of your choice
Oops sorry ii used the "choice" word, my bad

Triceratops Ballet · 19-04-2018 02:55PM

RobertKK wrote: »

To be taught sex education.

how will that make a difference if contraception fails?
how will that make a difference if carrying a baby at all is dangerous for the woman?

BarleySweets · 19-04-2018 02:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

To be taught sex education.

And how would a woman on her 7th, 8th or 9th abortion being taught sex education prevent accidental pregnancies from happening? Condoms burst; or if they’re using the rhythm method, ovulation can happen unexpectedly; the pill can fail; people can make mistakes even if they know all of the facts. How should society treat these serial “mistakes makers? What about you, how would you treat women on their 7th, 8th or 9th abortion? How do you think I should treat such women?

Regardless, teaching sex education to women who are on their 9th abortion is not a valid answer to my question is it? Again you have chosen to reply to a simple question with a non-answer.

Zubeneschamali · 19-04-2018 02:57PM

January wrote: »

We're just getting down to the crux of it, Robert doesn't like women who have sex for pleasure.

Rogelio Tinkling Cue got to that point inside 24 hours.

How many times have we heard "just keep your legs together?"

And, as usual, it is just a coincidence that the good ol' Roman Catholic Church is officially of the same opinion.

gmisk · 19-04-2018 02:58PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Between 30% and 34% of abortions are repeat abortions.

Source?
(a real one not the daily mail)

SusieBlue · 19-04-2018 03:00PM

This particular post from the In Her Shoes page had me in tears this morning.
I hope no one minds me posting. It really puts into perspective the kind of situations we are forcing on women and families with a No vote.
How anyone could vote to retain after reading stories such as these is beyond me.

In Her Shoes - Women Of The Eighth
7 hrs ·
"I love these rollerblades. They bring back happy memories of my oldest daughter teaching my middle daughter how to skate.

My oldest daughter can't skate anymore. It was one of the joys her epilepsy stole from her when she was diagnosed at 14. A lot of epileptic people can predict a seizure will happen before it does, sadly she isn't one of them and although she now has a major seizure only once every 35 days even this much means she can't safely be on wheels, especially not near traffic.

Her doctors and neurologists have had 4 years to perfect the combination of medication which helps her. Three of the six medicines she takes daily are not safe in pregnancy. Not all epilepsy medicine is unsafe for a developing pregnancy. One medicine in particular is recommended. It was among the first she was trialled on and as luck would have it, it had no effect on her.

Loving an epileptic can be heart breaking. I remember this time last year she was out of the country visiting relatives and I was working here in Ireland when she sent me a photo of her badly smashed up face, black eye and slightly fractured cheekbone with the words "I think I hit the fireplace". It's a slate hearth. I was nearly in tears begging my manager to let me make an international call on the company phone. She can no longer skate. She might never drive. The moped I had promised to buy her for her 17th birthday ever since she was a little girl remains unpurchased. She can't do everything her peers can do. She has to shut her eyes when an emergency vehicle passes because the flash rates have been known to trigger her. She doesn't go to concerts. We take headaches deadly seriously. She has a waterproof mattress protector because seizures can cause a loss of control, which means staying away from home can be embarrassing. She carries baby wipes leggings and a t-shirt in her school bag, just in case. She can not ever be out in a thunderstorm. None of this is the 8th amendment's fault. She is just wired this way. There is a fault in the circuit and that's just something we have to work around.

I didn't think much about the 8th until one day she foolishly forgot to mention she was running out of medicines. It was gone 10pm and she didn't have them for the next day. This is a genuine medical emergency. Suddenly stopping her medicine is likely to lead her into the biggest seizure of her life. If there is any way in which I am going to lose her to her condition, a sudden stop in her treatment is top of the list. She can not run out. It is life and death for her. She needs these drugs and as her mother I am bound by a strong desire not to bury my beloved, to make sure she gets them. I contacted the out of hours doctor service for my region. They bade me rush her in immediately with a medication list. She keeps a printed one in her jewellery box.

The South African GP who saw her was refreshingly frank. He explained she would have to take a pregnancy test, even though she knew she wasn't at risk, and if she was pregnant he couldn't prescribe, which meant she would be in grave danger and he hopes she'd "got a passport". In that moment the full force of this hiddeous law hit me. I stopped her on the way in to the toilet and said "if you need help in there...", she responded curtly with "No Mother. I am not a liar". She isn't a liar, but the law treats her like one. She cannot carry an unplanned pregnancy safely either, but the law would force her to dice with her life for nothing.

For nothing because with the drugs she takes and has been taking for years her foetus will be at very high risk of deformity. Pregnancy itself causes an increased risk of seizures. Suddenly stopping her medication causes an increased risk of seizures. Collapsing while pregnant is a risk for miscarriage. Each seizure itself could kill her, and her foetus with her. I beg you, reader, please understand me when I tell you that in Ireland she is a headline waiting to happen. The 8th could kill her and it won't save her child. She isn't fit to be pregnant and though she may be a good girl, this is not a safe world. Is it so much to just want a rational law that allows for realistic outcomes? As it stands no one in Ireland can offer her a termination here until she is literally dying in front of them. When a seizure that lasts 5 minutes is an all-out emergency requiring an ambulance what warning will she get?

We need her alive. Little-skates-sister needs her. I need her. Please Ireland, I am not asking you I am begging you. She's a foreign national and she can't vote. Vote for her. Vote yes.

This is an anonymous post, but if I lose this girl, you will all know me then. I can not and I will not rest until the day her right to continue to live is upheld."

Triceratops Ballet · 19-04-2018 03:02PM

gmisk wrote: »

Source?
(a real one not the daily mail)

it actually is true, but I still contest so what, the stats don't break down the reasons (not that the reasons matter much to me)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/679028/Abortions_stats_England_Wales_2016.pdf

robarmstrong · 19-04-2018 03:03PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I'm sorry but you think human have bobble heads as the head was too big to be proportionate

I'm sorry but you think plastic life-like dolls doctored to pull on heartstrings are factual representations of what actual 12 week fetuses look like.

I can do it too!

BarleySweets · 19-04-2018 03:06PM

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

it actually is true, but I still contest so what, the stats don't break down the reasons (not that the reasons matter much to me)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/679028/Abortions_stats_England_Wales_2016.pdf

Agreed, it’s none of my business because it’s her choice.

horseburger · 19-04-2018 03:08PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

That's all well and good but you still haven't given a definitive answer, comparing it to a box of cereal? Excellent.

You can't give a definitive answer and instead just drone on because you know if you agree with RobertKK you'd be wrong, yet if you disagreed with him you'd destroy what little credibility he had left after posting that absolute farce of a picture.

You are asking me if the images that the person posted are accurate.

Why are you asking me?

I didn't claim it was an accurate depiction, of a foetus at any stage of pregnancy.

Whether either of the photos you asked me about, are accurate images or not, doesn't alter the fact that a foetus/human being will undergo human growth and development before and after pregnancy, no matter at what stage of life it is at, if its life is not ended during pregnancy.

January · 19-04-2018 03:10PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

This particular post from the In Her Shoes page had me in tears this morning.
I hope no one minds me posting. It really puts into perspective the kind of situations we are forcing on women and families with a No vote.
How anyone could vote to retain after reading stories such as these is beyond me.

Heartbreaking. I have a daughter with a heart condition (and yes Robert, if you want me to tell you which one, just ask, I've no problem discussing it on the internet because just naming it doesn't make her identifiable), she's currently healthy and hopeful that she can become a mammy one day (she's not yet ten but often says 'when I'm a mammmy, like you... I'll do this... e.g. breastfeed, baby wear etc) but we don't know what the future holds because CHD is scary and no one knows how her heart will be in a few years. I don't want her to have to travel if she finds herself pregnant and her heart is not healthy enough to carry a pregnancy to term.

gmisk · 19-04-2018 03:18PM

January wrote: »

Heartbreaking. I have a daughter with a heart condition (and yes Robert, if you want me to tell you which one, just ask, I've no problem discussing it on the internet because just naming it doesn't make her identifiable), she's currently healthy and hopeful that she can become a mammy one day (she's not yet ten but often says 'when I'm a mammmy, like you... I'll do this... e.g. breastfeed, baby wear etc) but we don't know what the future holds because CHD is scary and no one knows how her heart will be in a few years. I don't want her to have to travel if she finds herself pregnant and her heart is not healthy enough to carry a pregnancy to term.

January thank you for sharing that snippet of you and your daughters story.
She sounds like an absolute dote.

robarmstrong · 19-04-2018 03:19PM

horseburger wrote: »

You are asking me if the images that the person posted are accurate.

Why are you asking me?

I didn't claim it was an accurate depiction, of a foetus at any stage of pregnancy.

Whether either of the photos you asked me about, are accurate images or not, doesn't alter the fact that a foetus/human being will undergo human growth and development before and after pregnancy, no matter at what stage of life it is at, if its life is not ended during pregnancy.

I have asked you numerous times if you could give a definitive yes or no answer to my query and all you done was deflect and take away from it, I didn't ask anything other than that, you wouldn't give a definitive answer because it would have destroyed your buddy's argument.

What issues do you have, as someone who's "on the fence", with the pro-life campaign? Why do you seem to only pick at the pro-choice side? Bit of a weird thing to do for someone who's on the fence.

Tipperary animal lover · 19-04-2018 03:24PM

horse sh*ite I tells ya

The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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