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Is it illegal to tear down posters

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  • #62
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Beechwoodspark wrote:
    Actually your attitude is enforcing my decision to not vote yes.


    You know the ballot is secret? Your vote is between you and your conscience. There has been nastiness on both sides. You berate the Yes side for their tactics, any thoughts on the tactics of No side that stood outside a McDonald's and a National school in Kilkenny with posters of an aborted foetus. Two areas that are frequented by children.


  • #63
    Lord Glentoran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I was going to vote yes but after seeing and hearing some of their more extreme supporters I want nothing to do with them.

    Yeah. Right. Of course you were.


  • #64
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Ok at this stage stop engaging with me I’ve reported your posts.

    Just to repeat. You know nothing about me yet you accuse me of this that and the other. Get it into your head. I was going to vote yes then saw the carry on of the yes supporters and want nothing to do with them.

    Actually your attitude is enforcing my decision to not vote yes.

    What you have done is signal to the more extreme elements of the no campaign that if they stage damaging their own posters they can influence people like you to change the way you vote. They have already been caught a number of times using deception tactics like planting "protesters" in legitimate prochoice marches and handing out fascist placards to unsuspecting marchers.

    Again the issue at hand should guide how you vote. The campaign run by either side should be immaterial to how you exercise to cast your vote. If it is then imho you should not have a vote.


  • #65
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Ok at this stage stop engaging with me I’ve reported your posts.

    Just to repeat. You know nothing about me yet you accuse me of this that and the other. Get it into your head. I was going to vote yes then saw the carry on of the yes supporters and want nothing to do with them.

    Actually your attitude is enforcing my decision to not vote yes.

    So let me get this right.

    You're allowing the "carry on" of certain yes supporters to influence your decision on allowing women the right to terminate their unwanted pregnancies?

    "Attitudes" shouldn't have any say whatsoever in this, you're basically using the equivalent of "oh of course this person is right but I won't agree with them because I don't like their attitude".

    That's such a petty reason to deny women the right to a choice, I really hope you re-think your reasons for voting no.


  • #66
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    I love the way the YES camp view themselves as liberal and yet want to behave like fascists.

    I 100% agree with this sentiment.
    There is a worrying trend towards demonising anyone who doesn't agree with or who spreads either poorly researched or outright lies.
    Not just in this current Pro-Choice campaign but in most binary social debates ongoing.
    For example, The Rugby Rape trial, The US gun Debate, The Housing Crisis and so on...
    The spread of social media, honestly seems to have reduced the majority of issues to the lowest common denominator argument and that is the one that looms loudest and largest when trying to discuss these issues.

    Rhetoric, logic, research and the basic act of forming an opinion before reacting seem to be falling by the wayside.

    As for the OP hating propaganda, its a point I again agree with.
    But can the OP not see the vehemence of their reaction is directly framed by the propaganda of the Pro-choice side?

    I am Pro-Choice, be that choice abortion, adoption or continuance.
    I am happy to debate the reasoning for my belief that Dogma and ignorance have no place on either side of the debate.
    I am disgusted by some of the outright lies on the No side and allowed be publicly advertised.
    Tearing down the posters is not the way to address that IMO...
    The way to address it is to address the lie, point out the mistruth, ask those purporting those words are correct to lay out their proof and rebut it!

    Not to descend to the level of criminal damage by tearing down posters or trying to outscream them.


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  • #67
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You know the ballot is secret? Your vote is between you and your conscience. There has been nastiness on both sides. You berate the Yes side for their tactics, any thoughts on the tactics of No side that stood outside a McDonald's and a National school in Kilkenny with posters of an aborted foetus. Two areas that are frequented by children.

    I don't get the logic of voting against what you initially thought was right just because you don't agree with the tactics/behaviour of other people who also think it's right but just express it in a different way or came to the conclusion in a different way.

    It's not a sign of a well thought out opinion is it?


  • #68
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,021 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    mackeire wrote: »
    Wow man, I would love to put some posters outside your house about gay babies being aborted and sit back and watch you turn into the incredible hulk going on a rampage.

    Marvel are due another hulk movie


  • #69
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Why are posters allowed for any vote in this day and age? Every person knows either how to read or use some sort of medium (Tv, online etc).

    Hear hear. They're just ugly. If you want publicity, buy a bloody billboard.


  • #70
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Starting to feel the op is a no campaign troll.


  • #71
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I was going to vote yes then saw the carry on of the yes supporters and want nothing to do with them.

    Sure you were


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  • #72
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    MOD - We already have a discussion thread on the upcoming referendum here.

    This thread is about posters & signs on lamp posts etc... and whether its illegal to remove them or not. If the thread moves into a Yes v No argument (a direction it's already started going), it will be closed.

    You have been warned.


  • #73
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You know the ballot is secret? Your vote is between you and your conscience. There has been nastiness on both sides. You berate the Yes side for their tactics, any thoughts on the tactics of No side that stood outside a McDonald's and a National school in Kilkenny with posters of an aborted foetus. Two areas that are frequented by children.

    I don’t like the activities of the fundamentalists on both sides to be honest


  • #74
    elfy4eva
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Bring to feel the op is a no campaign troll.

    Noooooooo?!!


  • #75
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    What about tearing down the lamp post and leaving the poster.


  • #76
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    I've seen loads of video's being shared on Facebook of people tearing down posters in Limerick. I think there is some sort of turf war going on or something.

    I just wish the people that put the posters up actually think about placement and not restrict views for road users and pedestrians.
    Some of them are in daft places.


  • #77
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I don’t like the activities of the fundamentalists on both sides to be honest

    Thats handy for you


  • #78
    Stonedpilot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Stonedpilot


    Mrhuth wrote: »
    Like you see some bs advertising like 20 signs of brainwashed VOTE NO everywhere. Are they authorised to be put up and can I tear them down for spreading fake information? There is one thing I cannot handle and that is propaganda.

    The irony!, your whole thead while seemingly an anti poster thread is one big rant on pro life posters. Thats propaganda. Really crap self indulgent whiny immature propaganda.

    Oh the posters I dont like I'll take then down as we cant have differing opinions

    Grow up!

    If your so anti propaganda perhaps you like to tear down the vote yes posters funded by George Soros?.


  • #79
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I don’t like the activities of the fundamentalists on both sides to be honest

    Which I can absolutely understand and agree with....BUT.....if you let your opinion be swayed by the fundamentalists (which ever way) you are doing exactly what they want.

    If you are having an argument about what you feel is right and the person you're arguing with just starts shouting and not letting you talk would you change your mind on whether or not it's right?


  • #80
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Thats handy for you

    Thanks?!


  • #81
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Hilarious considering the NO campaign are the ones trying to force their views on everyone else, think you need to go and read the definition of fascism again
    Damned democracy!!


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  • #82
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    It's quite simple. For the duration of the campaign the posters are legal and erected with the permission of the council. You may not remove or destroy the property of somebody else. However, they do not have permission to put posters on ESB poles and ESB may remove them for safety reasons if they wish.


  • #83
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    I've seen loads of video's being shared on Facebook of people tearing down posters in Limerick. I think there is some sort of turf war going on or something.

    I just wish the people that put the posters up actually think about placement and not restrict views for road users and pedestrians.
    Some of them are in daft places.

    There deffinitely is a turf war happening, I think part of the issue is the no campaign's postering has been SUPER aggressive


  • #84
    CeilingFly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭CeilingFly


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    For me I’m going to either vote YES or not vote. The YES campaign is convincing me to not vote.
    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I was going to vote yes but after seeing and hearing some of their more extreme supporters I want nothing to do with them.

    That was always the big danger for the yes campaign particularly when the militant feminists got involved and their only argument is to attack the no side and alienate many who are not on the coalface of the issue who may decide it not an issue they want to vote upon.
    mariaalice wrote: »
    People already have their minds made up on this issue, posters are not going to change that.

    I disagree totally. The fervent supporters of both sides have their minds made up - same with any vote. But there's a huge swathe of those who are not sure whether to vote or not and their votes are what the two groups are targeting. I reckon turnout won't be much more than 50%, and I think the result is too close to call as too many people are tuning out of this and it will be done to whatever side has the most fervent supporters who will turn out and vote
    gandalf wrote: »
    If you don't vote your opinion is useless and worthless.
    I disagree with this too - sometimes you are divided yourself and not voting is the best outcome for you. Two members of my family are gay - one is married. My mother loves both, enjoyed the wedding and has welcomed his partner into the family like her other son in laws, but still in herself did not agree with same sex marriage, but would not dictate her views on others - so he conscience would not allow her vote yes, but at the same time she could not vote no. Hence a very well thought out decision not to vote.


    On the posters, the statements are like "statistics" - you can bend any statistic to suit your argument. In the last general election less than 9% of the electorate gave 1st preference for SF, but 13.8% of those that voted gave 1st preference and if you dug further and checked how many 2nd 3rd, 4th etc preferences, you would possibly find that 35% of those who voted gave "a" vote to SF.
    Statistics statistics statistics - so unless you have absolute proof that their statement is legally incorrect and not incorrect in your understanding, its wise to simply ignore it.

    btw the No side is loving all the publicity these posters are getting - especially from the yes side. I don't think I've heard any actual argument for a yes vote other that "the no side are wrong".

    And if I vote, I'll be voting yes, but I think the yes side are alienating the voter.


  • #85
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Anyway it is illegal to remove the posters once they are legally erected and the wording is legal. Personally any poster erected outside my home that is an obstruction, causes my kids distress or contains lies will be removed. No matter who/side puts it up.


  • #86
    Mrhuth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭Mrhuth


    Stonedpilot wrote: »
    The irony!, your whole thead while seemingly an anti poster thread is one big rant on pro life posters. Thats propaganda. Really crap self indulgent whiny immature propaganda.

    Oh the posters I dont like I'll take then down as we cant have differing opinions

    Grow up!

    If your so anti propaganda perhaps you like to tear down the vote yes posters funded by George Soros?.

    I agree. I would like to tear them all down, it's just that vote no is everywhere and barely seen any vote yes. As I've said I have only seen it once but yes I would take down everything.


  • #87
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Stonedpilot wrote: »
    If your so anti propaganda perhaps you like to tear down the vote yes posters funded by George Soros?.

    Yeah cus youth defence receive NO money from the states.......


  • #88
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Whatever the outcome of this poll I think we all should petition our TDs and councillors to ban outright the antiquated use of posters for elections. All the information is available through multiple different media and from an environmental aspect it is shameful we still engage in this form of campaigning. The only downside I see is for the businesses printing these posters although I suspect a large number are done overseas anyway.


  • #89
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    There deffinitely is a turf war happening, I think part of the issue is the no campaign's postering has been SUPER aggressive

    We should encourage it as much as possible. They'll tear down one another's posters and the rest of us will benefit from less visual pollution.


  • #90
    Mrhuth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭Mrhuth


    Nermal wrote: »
    We should encourage it as much as possible. They'll tear down one another's posters and the rest of us will benefit from less visual pollution.

    Exactly.


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  • #91
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,041 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Mrhuth wrote: »
    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    As long as there are not damaged, and returned to the owners I can't see any issue...The one which states 1 in 5 babies are aborted in UK is clickbait misleading...They are foetus /embryo...Not a baby

    Good, I'll be taking them all down in my street.
    I think you may need help dude. And not with the posters.


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