Is Islam right for Ireland?

no.8 wrote: »

Laughable. You obviously have not lived in areas which are Muslim dominated.

I live in a Muslim country. It's perfectly reasonable place, people look & act just like people anywhere!
Amazingly their religion hasn't turned their country into some crazy place.......

bubblypop wrote: »

I live in a Muslim country. It's perfectly reasonable place, people look & act just like people anywhere!
Amazingly their religion hasn't turned their country into some crazy place.......

Because Islamic culture and laws are already dominant. Women already dress and behave within the bounds of its culture. As do men. The boundaries/rules are known and people rarely break them, because they know what will happen to them if they do.

I've also traveled through a variety of Muslim countries. Generally very safe countries as long as you obeyed/complied with the Islamic culture, and followed their laws. But then, I'm male. The risks are much lower, and it's already a masculine culture, so again, it's easier for males to navigate the cultural boundaries. I traveled with my Chinese girlfriend, and she had to be very careful about her behavior (and more importantly her appearance) at all times. Some rather tense encounters occurred too, although thankfully nothing came of it.

The difference is the expectation of bringing their cultural and religious beliefs with them into Europe and applying them to westerners. This happened in parts of Germany, Frankfurt being a good example, where parts of the city became extensions of Islamic culture, with their customs replacing those of the locals, who were eventually pushed out of their own neighborhoods. We can see this slowly happening now in other parts of Europe.

I genuinely have no problem with Islamic culture, or the religion. I've known many Muslim families, and they've proven themselves to be wonderful people. At the same time though, I've also encountered the gang behavior of young muslims and those who aren't married, with the belief that their culture should be dominant everywhere. Along with their distaste of the behavior and appearance (fashion) of western women.

Islamic culture, traditions and beliefs make sense in their own countries. It doesn't make sense in Europe. We have promoted the idea of personal freedoms, and the sense that women can dress however they wish. No matter how much those here wish otherwise, the fact is that modern European culture promotes beliefs/freedoms/customs which are completely the opposite of Islamic culture.

Now, I don't want to get rid of Muslims. Muslims have shown previously that they are capable of integrating into western society without the need to express their religion or project their cultural taboos beyond their house or places of worship. The view here should on integration, with the local host countries culture remaining dominant, and the best parts of Islamic culture permitted. At the same time though, the focus should be on stamping out the cultural aspects of Islam which are causing such problems in mainland Europe.

You've lived in a Muslim country, so you understand that unless you are a Muslim in that country, you'll always be an outsider. You respect their culture/customs, and their laws because that's the right thing to do if you wish to remain there. You don't flaunt your western customs/beliefs, and expect Islamic people to conform to your western habits.

I honestly don't see why it's so unacceptable to require the same acceptance of western culture/laws while they're choosing to live in Europe.

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Because Islamic culture and laws are already dominant. Women already dress and behave within the bounds of its culture. As do men. The boundaries/rules are known and people rarely break them, because they know what will happen to them if they do.

I've also traveled through a variety of Muslim countries. Generally very safe countries as long as you obeyed/complied with the Islamic culture, and followed their laws. But then, I'm male. The risks are much lower, and it's already a masculine culture, so again, it's easier for males to navigate the cultural boundaries. I traveled with my Chinese girlfriend, and she had to be very careful about her behavior (and more importantly her appearance) at all times. Some rather tense encounters occurred too, although thankfully nothing came of it.

The difference is the expectation of bringing their cultural and religious beliefs with them into Europe and applying them to westerners. This happened in parts of Germany, Frankfurt being a good example, where parts of the city became extensions of Islamic culture, with their customs replacing those of the locals, who were eventually pushed out of their own neighborhoods. We can see this slowly happening now in other parts of Europe.

I genuinely have no problem with Islamic culture, or the religion. I've known many Muslim families, and they've proven themselves to be wonderful people. At the same time though, I've also encountered the gang behavior of young muslims and those who aren't married, with the belief that their culture should be dominant everywhere. Along with their distaste of the behavior and appearance (fashion) of western women.

Islamic culture, traditions and beliefs make sense in their own countries. It doesn't make sense in Europe. We have promoted the idea of personal freedoms, and the sense that women can dress however they wish. No matter how much those here wish otherwise, the fact is that modern European culture promotes beliefs/freedoms/customs which are completely the opposite of Islamic culture.

Now, I don't want to get rid of Muslims. Muslims have shown previously that they are capable of integrating into western society without the need to express their religion or project their cultural taboos beyond their house or places of worship. The view here should on integration, with the local host countries culture remaining dominant, and the best parts of Islamic culture permitted. At the same time though, the focus should be on stamping out the cultural aspects of Islam which are causing such problems in mainland Europe.

You've lived in a Muslim country, so you understand that unless you are a Muslim in that country, you'll always be an outsider. You respect their culture/customs, and their laws because that's the right thing to do if you wish to remain there. You don't flaunt your western customs/beliefs, and expect Islamic people to conform to your western habits.

I honestly don't see why it's so unacceptable to require the same acceptance of western culture/laws while they're choosing to live in Europe.

I am a woman. The religion does not dominate their lives here, neither does it dictate their law.
I don't feel like an outsider as everyone here looks just like me. They have no problem with my western habits either.