Is Islam right for Ireland?

Mutant z · 18-04-2018 08:14PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

The notion that Ireland is historically a non Islamic country

True.

Mutant z wrote: »

well that's obvious to everyone but the willfully blind and stupid.

Well,

If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

...you seem to be under the notion that muslims arriving here will change that. My question is "how?"

By forcing Islamic customs on an unwilling Irish population its already happening with the likes of Ali Salim dictating to schools what their dress codes should be it starts of small but keeps getting bigger and bigger and before you know it you're under their spell.

miocicmma · 18-04-2018 08:20PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Islam is a lot more than just a religion.

No, It's a religion which has allot more similarities to Christianity than the media would have you believe. They are in the same family of Abrahamic religions.

Odhinn · 18-04-2018 08:28PM

Mutant z wrote: »

By forcing Islamic customs on an unwilling Irish population

Unless he has powers unbeknownst to the rest of us, he has some serious work ahead.

Mutant z wrote: »

its already happening with the likes of Ali Salim dictating to schools what their dress codes should be it starts of small but keeps getting bigger and bigger and before you know it you're under their spell.

He suggested that schools might allow their muslim pupils to wear the headscarf etc. Your problem with that is.....?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-04-2018 08:29PM

miocicmma wrote: »

For me all religions are equally ridiculous, so whether it's a Christian or a Muslim, in a Church of Mosque, praying to God or Allah it doesn't make any difference.

Edgy.

RustyNut · 18-04-2018 08:29PM

Mutant z wrote: »

By forcing Islamic customs on an unwilling Irish population its already happening with the likes of Ali Salim dictating to schools what their dress codes should be it starts of small but keeps getting bigger and bigger and before you know it you're under their spell.

What school did he "dictate"to? Or are you just making thing up?

wexie · 18-04-2018 08:34PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Unless he has powers unbeknownst to the rest of us, he has some serious work ahead.

Can't wait to see how things will go when he suggests we should give up bacon and sausages....

Or pints

The_Kew_Tour · 18-04-2018 08:36PM

Why will Ireland be different?

What makes us better then France Germany or Sweden?

Danzy · 18-04-2018 08:38PM

TheManTheMyth wrote: »

There have been countless stories of Muslim immigrants degrading women and gay people all across Europe and generally not integrating into the countries that they have moved to, personally i was very pro migrant about a year (maybe a year and a half) ago but have completely 180'd on the topic and now have a serious feeling of discomfort when i think about Islam spreading to Ireland. Am i the only person who feels like we have enough problems without adding this new religion into the mix? the idea that governments want to change the views of their own people rather than address the source of the issue (in my eyes Islam and the less liberal nations from which these groups originate)scares me because it sends us back to the times of keeping everything silent, it will only lead to another catholic church situation where eventually their atrocities all come to light at once.

Islam has been a disaster for the Arabic world, why would it be any different in the rain.

no.8 · 18-04-2018 08:43PM

Auguste Comte wrote:

That probably has something to do with "their ' countries being bombed and invaded by outsiders. I'd say that Muslims have a lot more to fear from non Muslims than the other way round.

Auguste Comte wrote:

I wonder how the body count would pan out. Muslims killed by non Muslims or non Muslims killed by Muslims, say in this century?

Laughable. You obviously have not lived in areas which are Muslim dominated.

Danzy · 18-04-2018 08:45PM

miocicmma wrote: »

No, It's a religion which has allot more similarities to Christianity than the media would have you believe. They are in the same family of Abrahamic religions.

Dark ages Christianity,yes.

There are unique problems to Islam,it being seen as the final word, unalterable and created byva man who fought countless battles, lived by robbing,has sex slaves tortured people.

no.8 · 18-04-2018 08:45PM

The Old Guy wrote:

I am against illegal immigration so that would mean a lot less muslims coming into Europe. I don't like Islam, the would would be a better place without it.

The Old Guy wrote:

It has and will cause social problems in Europe (look at Sweden) and no amount of liberal utopian thinking will change that.

Well put. I for one completely agree with you

Danzy · 18-04-2018 08:48PM

Mutant z wrote: »

Can the left give a list of the positives that Islam brings to western Europe they are the ones who want them all to come here so they should give a list of any positive things that Islam brings I'll be waiting for their answers.

For a segment of the modern left their often tough stance on Jews and their opposition to Western values are enough.

Ironically enough that opposition includes most progressive values as well.

Auguste Comte · 18-04-2018 08:50PM

no.8 wrote: »

Laughable. You obviously have not lived in areas which are Muslim dominated.

Any facts to dispute what I posted or just meaningless rhetoric?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-04-2018 08:51PM

Danzy wrote: »

For a segment of the modern left his tough they are on Jews and their opposition to Western values.

Can’t make head nor tale of that.

enricoh · 18-04-2018 08:53PM

It must be right for Ireland if our officials are to be believed. I was in the coombe hospital a month ago and there were signs on the notice board in Islamic.
I would have thought there would be 10 times more people who could read Russian or polish in Ireland than Islamic yet they weren't catered for strangely enough.

Captain Obvious · 18-04-2018 08:55PM

enricoh wrote: »

It must be right for Ireland if our officials are to be believed. I was in the coombe hospital a month ago and there were signs on the notice board in Islamic.
I would have thought there would be 10 times more people who could read Russian or polish in Ireland than Islamic yet they weren't catered for strangely enough.

I was in the Coombe last week and I didn't see any Islamic writing. I'll be there again next week. Where did you see it exactly? I'll take a look.

wexie · 18-04-2018 08:56PM

enricoh wrote: »

there were signs on the notice board in Islamic.

Danzy · 18-04-2018 08:56PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Can’t make head nor tale of that.

I see what you mean.

wexie · 18-04-2018 08:57PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I was in the Coombe last week and I didn't see any Islamic writing. I'll be there again next week. Where did you see it exactly? I'll take a look.

and what would Islamic writing look like? :rolleyes:

RustyNut · 18-04-2018 08:57PM

enricoh wrote: »

It must be right for Ireland if our officials are to be believed. I was in the coombe hospital a month ago and there were signs on the notice board in Islamic.
I would have thought there would be 10 times more people who could read Russian or polish in Ireland than Islamic yet they weren't catered for strangely enough.

Islamic, is that a real language, I don't think so.

18-04-2018 08:58PM

Islam is not right for Ireland in the same way that Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or any other religion is not right for Ireland. Every country should be governed secularly and no religion should be afforded special status or impact on laws.

Does this mean Muslims should be banned from Ireland? Absolutely not. They should be as free to live, work and integrate here as any other section of society provided that they respect the law of the land, which the vast majority do. Yes, there is clearly a problem with Islamic extremism but I can't think of a worse way to combat this than to alienate and discriminate against Muslims; being shunned by society will simply drive them closer to finding a radical preacher who convinces them that the West hates them. Plus it usually isn't Muslims who are shooting up schools in 'Murica but of course we couldn't possibly suggest there's a problem with Christianity, could we? :rolleyes:

Just a side note: Sheikh Umar al-Qadri (Head Imam of Islamic Centre Ireland) is one of the very few religious leaders who has voiced his support for the Repeal of the 8th Amendment - how many officials of the Catholic Church have done the same?

Captain Obvious · 18-04-2018 08:58PM

wexie wrote: »

and what would Islamic writing look like? :rolleyes:

No idea. That's why I'd like to have a look.

wexie · 18-04-2018 09:01PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No idea. That's why I'd like to have a look.

Will probably turn out to be some screwup where someone accidentally printed something in wingdings

Danzy · 18-04-2018 09:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Islam is not right for Ireland in the same way that Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or any other religion is not right for Ireland. Every country should be governed secularly and no religion should be afforded special status or impact on laws.

Does this mean Muslims should be banned from Ireland? Absolutely not. They should be as free to live, work and integrate here as any other section of society provided that they respect the law of the land, which the vast majority do. Yes, there is clearly a problem with Islamic extremism but I can't think of a worse way to combat this than to alienate and discriminate against Muslims; being shunned by society will simply drive them closer to finding a radical preacher who convinces them that the West hates them. Plus it usually isn't Muslims who are shooting up schools in 'Murica but of course we couldn't possibly suggest there's a problem with Christianity, could we? :rolleyes:

Just a side note: Sheikh Umar al-Qadri (Head Imam of Islamic Centre Ireland) is one of the very few religious leaders who has voiced his support for the Repeal of the 8th Amendment - how many officials of the Catholic Church have done the same?[/quot

Last time All Qadri went in to a Sunni mosque in Dublin he got the crap kicked out of him.

He represents a view rejected by most Muslims.

doolox · 18-04-2018 09:05PM

We like bacon and pig related foods, the muslims call this harim, forbidden, so thats out.

We like alcohol but the muslims call this harim so that is out.

We have improved to such an extent in our tolerance of people of the gay persuasion that same sex marriages are now OK and our taoiseach and one of our ministers is gay, huge improvement from Roman Catholic intolerance of anything different but a lot of infractions hidden..... Gay life is not tolerated by Muslims, so OUT.

As Maggie would have said OUT OUT OUT. Let them live here but on OUR terms.

Irish people need to grow a backbone and dictate how we live to any minority religious group seeking to change our way of life.

We lived long enough in a dictatorial theocracy under the RC church since so -called independence, lets not go back there.

2 Scoops · 18-04-2018 09:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They should be as free to live, work and integrate here as any other section of society provided that they respect the law of the land, which the vast majority do.

That's just not true

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-04-2018 09:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does this mean Muslims should be banned from Ireland? Absolutely not. They should be as free to live, work and integrate here as any other section of society provided that they respect the law of the land, which the vast majority do. Yes, there is clearly a problem with Islamic extremism but I can't think of a worse way to combat this than to alienate and discriminate against Muslims; being shunned by society will simply drive them closer to finding a radical preacher who convinces them that the West hates them. Plus it usually isn't Muslims who are shooting up schools in 'Murica but of course we couldn't possibly suggest there's a problem with Christianity, could we? :rolleyes:

Sorry that logic is flawed. If Muslims are banned from Ireland or the west then they are hardly going to be a threat to Ireland or the west if radicalised by a Muslim preacher somewhere else.

I personally would be optimistic enough of integration if:

1) we source Muslim immigrants from higher educated and more secular regions and
2) we stop bombing the Middle East. In particular stop assisting the Muslim extremists. That’s not helping.

As for murica, of course people blame Christianity if possible (there’s a rush to it even if the motive is not religious) and that’s a different country, and the entire topic unrelated to immigration.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-04-2018 09:08PM

wexie wrote: »

and what would Islamic writing look like? :rolleyes:

Squiggly, innit?

Johnnycanyon · 18-04-2018 09:08PM

Live and let live.

RustyNut · 18-04-2018 09:09PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

That's just not true

Yes it is.

Is Islam right for Ireland?

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