The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

RobertKK wrote: »

One big lie is that pictures of the unborn are offensive, and shouldn’t be seen by children.
Another lie is choosing to pretend there are not two lives involved.
It would not be a lie though to say repealers view life as a choice where one person can decide if the life of another continues to live or have his/her life ended, where in healthy circumstances the life is viewed as an inconvenience.

Pictures of the unborn are offensive, because the pictures the PLC have used are mainly incorrect pictures, it's fine to get offended when there are blatant lies being thrown around, and no, children should not have to see what an aborted 12 week fetus looks like because children have not got the ability to vote.

baylah17 wrote: »

FACTCHECKER:
Only one PERSONS life is involved actually.

That is you trying to evade that there are at least two lives (more if twins or more) involved.

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Yes services should change, you'll get no argument from me on that, but since we're already in a situation where women are having abortions for economic reasons why are there no active campaigns led by the likes of McGuirk to make changes in that area, if the anti repealers would put half the effort into that that they do into defending the 8th amendment sure the government would have no choice but to act?

Perhaps ask John McGuirk?

I guess he's contactable on twitter?

RobertKK wrote: »

One big lie is that pictures of the unborn are offensive, and shouldn’t be seen by children.

That is not a lie.

Many people find them offensive, particularly parents who have lost babies through miscarriage or their friends and relations.

RobertKK wrote: »

Another lie is choosing to pretend there are not two lives involved.

When is one alive? How do you define life? How you define human as a noun or an adjective?

My large toenail clipping is bigger than a 4-week old fetus. Are there two lives involved when I clip my toenails?

Nobody is saying there are not two lives involved, they are just disagreeing over when there is two lives involved.

RobertKK wrote: »

It would not be a lie though to say repealers view life as a choice where one person can decide if the life of another continues to live or have his/her life ended, where in healthy circumstances the life is viewed as an inconvenience.

That is a lie, which makes three lies in one post.


As a repealer, I take the view that the 8th Amendment is a legal abomination, that has had to be amended twice, has caused harm to countless women, resulted in several dying, has caused the X Case, the Y Case, the C case, etc. and is not the way to regulate the issue of abortion. No matter what your view of abortion, the Oireachtas should make the appropriate laws. I don't have to be pro-abortion or anti-abortion to hold my repeal views, once they are based on those legal views.

RobertKK wrote: »

So you guys are saying you are all talk here, but if you were on a canvass you wouldn’t answer questions because you answered someone else before...yet the rest of us have to read the repeal people here saying the same thing over and over again to each other when they agree with one another, but that is somehow different. I think people on the repeal side really would like a repeal shield in this thread at times.

The reason for the repeal shield has been explained to you. You didn't even acknowledge that explanation. There are vulnerable people who want to be involved in this debate, who should not have to engage with combative opponents if they don't wish to.

Please have a bit of empathy.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

some people have decided to remove a lot of noise from what they read. why is that a problem for you?



the retain side dont need a shield for that.

Noise you call it, or ignorance is bliss is another way of looking at it.

RobertKK wrote: »

Noise you call it, or ignorance is bliss is another way of looking at it.

what else would you call repeating the same questions ad nauseum even after they have been answered?

robarmstrong wrote: »

Give me a list of what "isn't lies" from the pro-life side.

The "1 in 5" has proven to be a blatant misinterpretation of statistics.

The "90% of babies with Down Syndrome" has also been proven to be a blatant misstatement of what is actually correct.

These are two I can think of straight away.

@RobertKK - ICYMI

RobertKK wrote:

Another lie, pretend the unborn lacks any humanity.

It is 100% undisputable fact that the unborn does not have full constitutional protection, while a born person does. There is no possible way you can twist that into saying it's a lie.

robarmstrong wrote: »

Let me put this very, very simply so you can't deflect.

Do you think that children should be shown graphic images of aborted babies?

Also - those videos? I know all about them considering the miscarriages and whatnot my partner and I have went through. Try again.

First of all I am sorry to hear about the miscarriages.

If abortion is fine, then what is offensive about aborted babies? Do they look too human?

B0jangles wrote: »

Oppression is not being denied legal control over your own body.

True Oppression is being blocked on twitter.

Am I the only one whose irony meter just exploded?

Get out of here with your logic, it ain't welcome here, scumbag!!!!

RobertKK wrote: »

Noise you call it, or ignorance is bliss is another way of looking at it.

No Robert it's noise

It's noise when the same poster copies/pastes the same responses to everything


It's noise when the same poster asks a question, has the question answered and then returns 24 hours later to ask the SAME question.


It's noise when the same poster asks a question then when he/she doesn't like the answers given goes on to reword the question again and again and again trying to entrap posters into some sort of gotcha moment.


It's noise when the same poster post walls of text and multiple video (+13 hours worth of video in one post!) And then complains because you haven't read his post/watched the linked video's.

I can guarantee you right here and now that within the next 24/48 hours a new poster will arrive who is "on the fence" they will ask the SAME questions over and over and will only ever question the repeal side.

Those "new" posters to me are Noise.

reubenreuben wrote: »

I note that the Poll to repeal the 8th has gradually been increasing. It has gone beyond 73%.

Do you think this is much of an indicator of what will actually happen on the vote day?

not really. it will be a lot closer than the poll here suggests.

RobertKK wrote: »

Which is a lie.
Look at videos, there is a humanity but to say there is means one has to challenge themselves from what they want to believe.

can you point to where in the video they show sentience or consciousness?