Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Westernyelp · 14-04-2018 09:07PM

km79 wrote:

That's a fair point and one I noted when so many left early during Tyrone game

If the team doesn't bother to turn up why should you. I have stood on many a cold terrace but don't blame people for walking away from that.

seligehgit · 14-04-2018 11:28PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

If the team doesn't bother to turn up why should you. I have stood on many a cold terrace but don't blame people for walking away from that.

I'd have to disagree,I like many many others would stick with the team through thick and thin.

The easy thing is to walk away when things aren't going right.Reminds me of the thousands fleeing Croke Park early in 2004 and 2006 finals.

Westernyelp · 15-04-2018 12:18AM

when you see lads standing on the pitch with their hands in their hips looking around them and the game going down the drain. It's hard not to walk away. Every effort made by the team shout be backed up without question by the supporters, no doubt. When no effort is being made...I'm talking about that particular game btw. I didn't leave early and they will have my full support on May 13th

Fr Tod Umptious · 15-04-2018 01:20AM

seligehgit wrote: »

I'd have to disagree,I like many many others would stick with the team through thick and thin.

The easy thing is to walk away when things aren't going right.Reminds me of the thousands fleeing Croke Park early in 2004 and 2006 finals.

I didn't walk out on the 2004 and 2006 finals, even though I wanted to.

But come the end of the 2006 my respect for those guys was at an all time low.

One thing to get caught out in 2004, but to learn nothing by 2006 ?

And that's what, in my eyes anyway, makes the 2011 to present Mayo so so different.

These guys have all the respect in the world from me, regardless of how the year turns out.

I've argued on threads recently that the lack of an all Ireland does not diminish this team in my eyes nor does it diminish all the great days out.And that will always be the case.

Barlett · 15-04-2018 01:36AM

seligehgit wrote: »

I'd have to disagree,I like many many others would stick with the team through thick and thin.

The easy thing is to walk away when things aren't going right.Reminds me of the thousands fleeing Croke Park early in 2004 and 2006 finals.

Ah I’ve been going to Mayo matches for over 20 years & the Tyrone game is the one & only game I left early . AI finals in 04/06 are different, just completely outclassed by a much better team . But the Tyrone match I left with 15 mins to go so I could spend more time with my family before driving back to Dublin .

It’s one thing getting hammered , but being beaten because you’re not interested that day is a different thing altogether. And that’s exactly what happened, it’s not as if Tyrone have much better players than Mayo

On the supporters thing , it’s a bandwagon, absolutely no different to Dublin ten years ago . The attendance at league games ten years ago was 5-7 k & when/if Mayo slip back into the pack , that will be the attendance again for the league .

seligehgit · 15-04-2018 08:21AM

Barlett wrote: »

Ah I’ve been going to Mayo matches for over 20 years & the Tyrone game is the one & only game I left early . AI finals in 04/06 are different, just completely outclassed by a much better team . But the Tyrone match I left with 15 mins to go so I could spend more time with my family before driving back to Dublin .

It’s one thing getting hammered , but being beaten because you’re not interested that day is a different thing altogether. And that’s exactly what happened, it’s not as if Tyrone have much better players than Mayo

On the supporters thing , it’s a bandwagon, absolutely no different to Dublin ten years ago . The attendance at league games ten years ago was 5-7 k & when/if Mayo slip back into the pack , that will be the attendance again for the league .

I can't but admire your commitment travelling down from the capital for the league games,maximum respect.Of course there are bigger priorities in life than Mayo GAA although not much bigger.:D

TBH I don't believe the league attendances pre our ascendancy into the forefront of gaelic football was anywhere near 5-7 thousand.

You'd be lucky to get 2-3 thousand.I'd imagine there'll be no waiting list for season tickets when we inevitably fall back into the pack again.

I totally get it how atrocious the performance was against Tyrone.There have many black days in Mac Hale park that I can think of.The thrashings at the hands of the Dubs.Terrible performances against Tyrone,Cavan,Kerry,Down etc.It really isn't that easy that hang around and endure same.

Always_Running · 15-04-2018 02:23PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I didn't walk out on the 2004 and 2006 finals, even though I wanted to.

But come the end of the 2006 my respect for those guys was at an all time low.

One thing to get caught out in 2004, but to learn nothing by 2006 ?

And that's what, in my eyes anyway, makes the 2011 to present Mayo so so different.

These guys have all the respect in the world from me, regardless of how the year turns out.

I've argued on threads recently that the lack of an all Ireland does not diminish this team in my eyes nor does it diminish all the great days out.And that will always be the case.

2011 wasn't all that great though Tod, championship exit to Kerry who won pulling up. Connacht was won but lucky to get over London and performances were less than great against Roscommon and Galway that year both dog fight wins really. Win against Cork was the one real highlight as that Cork side were defending champions and it was a more comfortable win v Cork than last summer or the 2014 meeting between the two.

Bunny Colvin · 15-04-2018 02:33PM

Always_Running wrote: »

2011 wasn't all that great though Tod, championship exit to Kerry who won pulling up. Connacht was won but lucky to get over London and performances were less than great against Roscommon and Galway that year both dog fight wins really. Win against Cork was the one real highlight as that Cork side were defending champions and it was a more comfortable win v Cork than last summer or the 2014 meeting between the two.

I thought it was a good season. We showed real potential with young players coming through. Winning Connacht was important, not great displays but beat Galway handy enough and beating Roscommon away in poor conditions was a good result. The Cork game was the one that showed we were back in business - we were completely written off beforehand but showed some balls to beat them and it was a great day out. Kerry was just a step too far. Considering what happened in Longford the year before, you'd have taken that.

Fr Tod Umptious · 15-04-2018 02:46PM

Always_Running wrote: »

2011 wasn't all that great though Tod, championship exit to Kerry who won pulling up. Connacht was won but lucky to get over London and performances were less than great against Roscommon and Galway that year both dog fight wins really. Win against Cork was the one real highlight as that Cork side were defending champions and it was a more comfortable win v Cork than last summer or the 2014 meeting between the two.

2011 was the start of the current run.

The year previous they had lost meekly to Sligo an infamously to Longford.

In 2011 they had a scare v London, won well v Galway after a poor opening quarter and went to the Hyde as underdogs and dethroned the Connacht championship, in a game that Cillian O' Connor stamped his mark as a quality free taker.

Then then did something that they had not done since 1916, beat Cork the defending champions.

They conceded an early goal, gave away another one staright after Kevin McLoughlin getting his and yet they did not buckle, won by 4 with Cork only getting a point or two in the second half.

Inexperience got to them v Kerry, they lost by 9 but coming out of there I knew something had changed, they were young, they were hungery, they were big, they were physical, they were going places.

Always_Running · 15-04-2018 04:18PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

2011 was the start of the current run.

The year previous they had lost meekly to Sligo an infamously to Longford.

In 2011 they had a scare v London, won well v Galway after a poor opening quarter and went to the Hyde as underdogs and dethroned the Connacht championship, in a game that Cillian O' Connor stamped his mark as a quality free taker.

Then then did something that they had not done since 1916, beat Cork the defending champions.

They conceded an early goal, gave away another one staright after Kevin McLoughlin getting his and yet they did not buckle, won by 4 with Cork only getting a point or two in the second half.

Inexperience got to them v Kerry, they lost by 9 but coming out of there I knew something had changed, they were young, they were hungery, they were big, they were physical, they were going places.

A defeat to London would have been worse than those defeats to Sligo,Longford in 2010.

Galway game was best remembered or should i say worst remembered for some dreadful free taking by Mayo it then forced James Horan to make a teen first choice free taker and he ( Cillian O' Connor) hasn't looked back since.

From what i recall Mayo were favourites going into that Connacht final as they were made favourties after beating Galway and the fact that Roscommon were playing their league football in Div 4 that year.

The win v Cork was the one real significant win and performance that year and more importantly it was built upon the following year with a even better win v Dublin.

blowitupref · 15-04-2018 04:25PM

Always_Running wrote: »

From what i recall Mayo were favourites going into that Connacht final as they were made favourties after beating Galway and the fact that Roscommon were playing their league football in Div 4 that year.

Correct. Odds was Mayo 4/6 Roscommon 6/4.

PARlance · 15-04-2018 07:47PM

Plenty of hard work was done this week from what I've heard. Not exactly a month for Clubs when there's a weeks training camp right in the middle of it but County first.

jr86 · 16-04-2018 08:56AM

PARlance wrote: »

Plenty of hard work was done this week from what I've heard. Not exactly a month for Clubs when there's a weeks training camp right in the middle of it but County first.

It's the same in many counties from what I hear, the county players have barely trained with the club even in April, while there's championship going on. Are we all that far away from county players being completely unavailable for club duty I wonder (like Irish pro rugby and AIL?)

jr86 · 16-04-2018 08:56AM

Ah 2011 was a very positive year. To go from absolute rock bottom in 2010 to a year were we beat the reigning Champions (who were massive odds-on) and we gave Kerry plenty of it for a lot of that match. Given the thumpings we took in 2004 and 2006, 2011 had much more of a positive feel, particular given our age profile.

PARlance · 16-04-2018 10:11AM

jr86 wrote: »

It's the same in many counties from what I hear, the county players have barely trained with the club even in April, while there's championship going on. Are we all that far away from county players being completely unavailable for club duty I wonder (like Irish pro rugby and AIL?)

We're practically there really, aren't we. It would take a massive leap to make that call but it makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels.

Like if you're heading away for a weeks training camp in April, you're a professional. But that's another debate but along the same lines.

jr86 · 16-04-2018 10:16AM

PARlance wrote: »

We're practically there really, aren't we. It would take a massive leap to make that call but it makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels.

Like if you're heading away for a weeks training camp in April, you're a professional. But that's another debate but along the same lines.

Getting there certainly

The well overdue decision to restrict county seniors from playing county under 20 is another step to having players' exclusively playing County senior football

PARlance · 16-04-2018 04:36PM

Cillian, Harrison and Lee confirmed out for Galway in Connaught Telegraph article online:

From same:
"The 29 players still in the squad are Chris Barrett, Fergal Boland, Colm Boyle, Ger Cafferkey, David Clarke, Stephen Coen, Caolan Crowe, Jason Doherty, David Drake, Patrick Durcan, Brendan Harrison, Lee Keegan, Robbie Hennelly, Keith Higgins, Danny Kirby, Conor Loftus, Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran, Barry Moran, Shane Nally, Cillian O'Connor, Diarmuid O'Connor, Eoin O'Donoghue, Aidan O'Shea, Conor O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Evan Regan and Donal Vaughan.

They are joined by development squad members Sharoiz Akram, James Carr, Neil Douglas, Adam Gallagher, Michael Hall, James McCormack, Fionn McDonagh, Peter Naughton, Matthew Ruane and Ciaran Treacy.

These ten players, plus Cian Hanley and James Durcan who have also been added to this list in the last number of weeks, brings a total of 41 players training at the moment."

ProudDUB · 16-04-2018 05:20PM

What's wrong with Cillian...hammer?

jr86 · 16-04-2018 05:25PM

PARlance wrote: »

Cillian, Harrison and Lee confirmed out for Galway in Connaught Telegraph article online

Well that's not good

He may not have been at his best last season but O'Connor is still a vital player and as he showed against Cork last year can always come up with a performance that no-one else in the forwards can eclipse

In a game which may well come down to small margins a missed pressure free or two could well be crucial

Anyhow there's nothing anyone can do, they have the guts of a month to prepare without

km79 · 16-04-2018 05:26PM

That's a disaster
If true.......

manofwisdom · 16-04-2018 05:32PM

km79 wrote: »

That's a disaster
If true.......

This is the thing, is it true or is it a bit of mind games that managers tend to play nowadays?

km79 · 16-04-2018 05:33PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

This is the thing, is it true or is it a bit of mind games that managers tend to play nowadays?

Unless Cillian has had a setback I don't see why he would be ruled out now ?
Can anyone link article

manofwisdom · 16-04-2018 06:13PM

km79 wrote: »

Unless Cillian has had a setback I don't see why he would be ruled out now ?
Can anyone link article

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/04/16/4154784-big-three-to-miss-muchawaited-gaa-showdown-against-galway/

there is an outside chance of O'Connor being able to play some part in the Galway game,

As a betting man my money would be on Cillian O Connor to start this game.

PARlance · 16-04-2018 06:15PM

km79 wrote: »

Unless Cillian has had a setback I don't see why he would be ruled out now ?
Can anyone link article

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/04/16/4154784-big-three-to-miss-muchawaited-gaa-showdown-against-galway/

I think you nailled it earlier... "if true"...

seligehgit · 16-04-2018 06:27PM

Reported over on the Galway thread that Eamon Brannigan got injured yesterday.

muddle84 · 16-04-2018 09:54PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Reported over on the Galway thread that Eamon Brannigan got injured yesterday.

Based on league form, Brannigan would a big loss for them.

jr86 · 17-04-2018 08:53AM

Yeah, fair enough re Cillian - a paper never refused ink and all that, particularly in this Social Media age

Brannigan would be a major loss for Galway, he was one of the best overall players of the league for me.

The Lost Sheep · 17-04-2018 11:10PM

jr86 wrote: »

It's the same in many counties from what I hear, the county players have barely trained with the club even in April, while there's championship going on. Are we all that far away from county players being completely unavailable for club duty I wonder (like Irish pro rugby and AIL?)

Yeah. Back in my home club we've a player on county hurling and footballing squads. The guy on football squad hasnt been seen in the club at all while the hurling squad member has only really been seen in the gym. Theyve both played championship games scheduled and will be involved again this weekend but in some respects we already have county players completely unavailable for club duty. They just play club games if there is no county games/county level is finished for the year.
Rugby is a wrong comparison as the 4 provinces have a minimum of 27 competitive games a season. Counties will have maybe 20 max unless theyve quite a few replays and the top rugby players who have how many provincial games they can play limited are also playing with Ireland.

PARlance wrote: »

We're practically there really, aren't we. It would take a massive leap to make that call but it makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels.

Like if you're heading away for a weeks training camp in April, you're a professional. But that's another debate but along the same lines.

If you go on a weeks training camp it doesnt at all mean you are a professional.
I dont think we're there at all already and we wont go that way

PARlance · 18-04-2018 04:44PM

Mayo News Podcast: Interview with Alan Dillon, no politics, just GAA talk.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

If you go on a weeks training camp it doesnt at all mean you are a professional.
I dont think we're there at all already and we wont go that way

In which he references the training week in Carton House as very professional.

It's extremely professional in most aspects bar the team getting a salary from it imo.

The Lost Sheep · 18-04-2018 04:48PM

PARlance wrote: »

In which he references the training week in Carton House as very professional.

It's extremely professional in most aspects bar the team getting a salary from it imo.

But that doesnt mean the players are professional or that the situation can be compared to rugby and provincial players and the AIL

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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