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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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km79

PARlance wrote: »

Keegan is a great player and is a loss but as Jr86 says, it's not as if we don't have really good options. Cillian is the potential big loss... maybe.

This weekend we will be 3 weeks out
If he isn’t back training by early next week he won’t start

PARlance

Keegan is a great player and is a loss but as Jr86 says, it's not as if we don't have really good options. Cillian is the potential big loss... maybe.

To add to that, I think Mayo are at a stage of maturity as a team (and have a sufficient squad of proven players) where missing some key players is taken in it's stride. We had a hard year last year and plenty of players out during the course of it, but it was never an issue. Keegan missed our most impressive display (vs The Rossies) for example.

Losing a key player might affect Galway a bit more as they're a "newer" team. But then again, it mightn't matter a dam... can we just fast forward to May.

jr86

Mayo being poor in the league is fairly par for the course though. It's mainly an exercise in easing a battle-hardened panel into another season's football.

Galway had completely different objectives, and they had basically a full strength team out most weeks where Brannigan played a massive role. On the 13th May they're looking to carry momentum, whereas Mayo are essentially looking to start their season. A half-backline of Coen, Durcan and Boyle is as good as any in the country to do that

Brannigan v Keegan is probably a pointless enough discussion anyway though. With two evenly matched teams variables like the wind, a bad refereeing call, free-taker having an off day (where COC's loss could be felt hugely) etc. will probably be much bigger deciding factors.

TCDStudent1

jr86 wrote: »

But Brannigan played a starring role throughout the league whereas Keegan barely played. Mayo have been essentially without him all year anyway so nothing has changed

Galway, though, now have to suddenly plan without Brannigan (if he is out of course) and adapt their game-plan accordingly.

O'Connor would be the biggest loss out of any of them but I'd imagine he'll play unless completely crocked

But Mayo were poor in the league! So not bringing Keegan back into that team is a big big blow. Mayo will need to be an awful lot better than their league performances to beat Galway.

Brannigan was excellent in the league. Easily, his best performances for Galway. But he didn't even make the starting 15 in the corresponding match last year. Still a really big loss and we don't really have a similar type player to replace him. Daly could come in but he has totally different strengths.

jr86

aidan24326 wrote: »

Brannigan would be a significant loss for us, but surely Cillian O'Connor and Lee Keegan would be a more massive blow to Mayo? The game will still be tight no doubt, and you couldn't call it, but those two missing would be a big blow to Mayo's chances. For me Keegan is the best all-round footballer in the country, and Cillian for all his faults and all his detractors is Mayo's scorer in chief. If those two are missing I think the pendulum swings towards Galway. Who knows though, we may see CO'C yet.

But Brannigan played a starring role throughout the league whereas Keegan barely played. Mayo have been essentially without him all year anyway so nothing has changed

Galway, though, now have to suddenly plan without Brannigan (if he is out of course) and adapt their game-plan accordingly.

O'Connor would be the biggest loss out of any of them but I'd imagine he'll play unless completely crocked

blowitupref

aidan24326 wrote: »

Brannigan would be a significant loss for us, but surely Cillian O'Connor and Lee Keegan would be a more massive blow to Mayo? The game will still be tight no doubt, and you couldn't call it, but those two missing would be a big blow to Mayo's chances. For me Keegan is the best all-round footballer in the country, and Cillian for all his faults and all his detractors is Mayo's scorer in chief. If those two are missing I think the pendulum swings towards Galway. Who knows though, we may see CO'C yet.

Grade 2 hamstring Cillian O Connor apparently got v Tyrone on March 18th which is a normally 4 to 6 weeks recovery time so an educated guess would say he will be back for the Galway game.

aidan24326

Brannigan would be a significant loss for us, but surely Cillian O'Connor and Lee Keegan would be a more massive blow to Mayo? The game will still be tight no doubt, and you couldn't call it, but those two missing would be a big blow to Mayo's chances. For me Keegan is the best all-round footballer in the country, and Cillian for all his faults and all his detractors is Mayo's scorer in chief. If those two are missing I think the pendulum swings towards Galway. Who knows though, we may see CO'C yet.

seligehgit

PARlance wrote: »

Mayo News Podcast: Interview with Alan Dillon, no politics, just GAA talk.

In which he references the training week in Carton House as very professional.

It's extremely professional in most aspects bar the team getting a salary from it imo.

April is proving to be a long month for Mayo's football fans,with the helter skelter League campaign already becoming a bit of a distant memory while there's still some time to go until the championship season starts to rev up.As an antidote for this hiatus the Mayo News football podcast is back,placing a first audio based stake in the ground ahead of another football summer.The centrepiece of this episode of the podcast is an in depth interview by Mike Finnerty with Alan Dillon.In it,the recently retired two time All Star looks back on the highs and lows of his own inter county career,as well as providing some fascinating insights into what it was like to be part of the current high performance set-up in and around the senior county panel.Alan also looks ahead to next month's Galway game and provides his take on how he feels this crunch fixture could go.Host Rob Murphy and John Gunnigan of the Mayo GAA Blog chat about this odd April off season and John takes a trip down memory lane,when he reminisces on Mayo's shock championship win over the Tribesmen in the 1981 Connacht semi final.Rounding off this episode,Rob talks with Billy Joe Padden who had a close look at Galway when they played Dublin in the League final a few weeks back and who has a few early thoughts on the key tactical issues around which the clash on 13th May is likely to revolve.

http://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2018-04-18T04_06_33-07_00.mp3

The Lost Sheep

jr86 wrote: »

He's hardly saying the players are actually professional. He's right though that they are involved in a professional set-up. I mean training camps often span week-days where players actually have to take time out of work.

And the comparison with AIL wasn't to be taken literally, just used as an example of a 'closed shop' set-up where players are exclusively representing the province and not the 'feeder' clubs, they belong to (like in Wales, the Southern hemisphere). I can definitely see the same happening with County Players in the future

That players have to take time off work doesnt make it a professional set up. And there wont be a time where players dont ever play for their clubs and only play for the county side. Not enough games at county level for it to happen

jr86

He's hardly saying the players are actually professional. He's right though that they are involved in a professional set-up. I mean training camps often span week-days where players actually have to take time out of work.

And the comparison with AIL wasn't to be taken literally, just used as an example of a 'closed shop' set-up where players are exclusively representing the province and not the 'feeder' clubs, they belong to (like in Wales, the Southern hemisphere). I can definitely see the same happening with County Players in the future

The Lost Sheep

PARlance wrote: »

In which he references the training week in Carton House as very professional.

It's extremely professional in most aspects bar the team getting a salary from it imo.

But that doesnt mean the players are professional or that the situation can be compared to rugby and provincial players and the AIL

PARlance

Mayo News Podcast: Interview with Alan Dillon, no politics, just GAA talk.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

If you go on a weeks training camp it doesnt at all mean you are a professional.
I dont think we're there at all already and we wont go that way

In which he references the training week in Carton House as very professional.

It's extremely professional in most aspects bar the team getting a salary from it imo.

The Lost Sheep

jr86 wrote: »

It's the same in many counties from what I hear, the county players have barely trained with the club even in April, while there's championship going on. Are we all that far away from county players being completely unavailable for club duty I wonder (like Irish pro rugby and AIL?)

Yeah. Back in my home club we've a player on county hurling and footballing squads. The guy on football squad hasnt been seen in the club at all while the hurling squad member has only really been seen in the gym. Theyve both played championship games scheduled and will be involved again this weekend but in some respects we already have county players completely unavailable for club duty. They just play club games if there is no county games/county level is finished for the year.
Rugby is a wrong comparison as the 4 provinces have a minimum of 27 competitive games a season. Counties will have maybe 20 max unless theyve quite a few replays and the top rugby players who have how many provincial games they can play limited are also playing with Ireland.

PARlance wrote: »

We're practically there really, aren't we. It would take a massive leap to make that call but it makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels.

Like if you're heading away for a weeks training camp in April, you're a professional. But that's another debate but along the same lines.

If you go on a weeks training camp it doesnt at all mean you are a professional.
I dont think we're there at all already and we wont go that way

jr86

Yeah, fair enough re Cillian - a paper never refused ink and all that, particularly in this Social Media age

Brannigan would be a major loss for Galway, he was one of the best overall players of the league for me.

muddle84

seligehgit wrote: »

Reported over on the Galway thread that Eamon Brannigan got injured yesterday.

Based on league form, Brannigan would a big loss for them.

seligehgit

Reported over on the Galway thread that Eamon Brannigan got injured yesterday.

PARlance

km79 wrote: »

Unless Cillian has had a setback I don't see why he would be ruled out now ?
Can anyone link article

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/04/16/4154784-big-three-to-miss-muchawaited-gaa-showdown-against-galway/

I think you nailled it earlier... "if true"...

manofwisdom

km79 wrote: »

Unless Cillian has had a setback I don't see why he would be ruled out now ?
Can anyone link article

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/04/16/4154784-big-three-to-miss-muchawaited-gaa-showdown-against-galway/

there is an outside chance of O'Connor being able to play some part in the Galway game,

As a betting man my money would be on Cillian O Connor to start this game.

km79

manofwisdom wrote: »

This is the thing, is it true or is it a bit of mind games that managers tend to play nowadays?

Unless Cillian has had a setback I don't see why he would be ruled out now ?
Can anyone link article

manofwisdom

km79 wrote: »

That's a disaster
If true.......

This is the thing, is it true or is it a bit of mind games that managers tend to play nowadays?

km79

That's a disaster
If true.......

jr86

PARlance wrote: »

Cillian, Harrison and Lee confirmed out for Galway in Connaught Telegraph article online

Well that's not good

He may not have been at his best last season but O'Connor is still a vital player and as he showed against Cork last year can always come up with a performance that no-one else in the forwards can eclipse

In a game which may well come down to small margins a missed pressure free or two could well be crucial

Anyhow there's nothing anyone can do, they have the guts of a month to prepare without

ProudDUB

What's wrong with Cillian...hammer?

PARlance

Cillian, Harrison and Lee confirmed out for Galway in Connaught Telegraph article online:

From same:
"The 29 players still in the squad are Chris Barrett, Fergal Boland, Colm Boyle, Ger Cafferkey, David Clarke, Stephen Coen, Caolan Crowe, Jason Doherty, David Drake, Patrick Durcan, Brendan Harrison, Lee Keegan, Robbie Hennelly, Keith Higgins, Danny Kirby, Conor Loftus, Kevin McLoughlin, Andy Moran, Barry Moran, Shane Nally, Cillian O'Connor, Diarmuid O'Connor, Eoin O'Donoghue, Aidan O'Shea, Conor O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Evan Regan and Donal Vaughan.

They are joined by development squad members Sharoiz Akram, James Carr, Neil Douglas, Adam Gallagher, Michael Hall, James McCormack, Fionn McDonagh, Peter Naughton, Matthew Ruane and Ciaran Treacy.

These ten players, plus Cian Hanley and James Durcan who have also been added to this list in the last number of weeks, brings a total of 41 players training at the moment."

jr86

PARlance wrote: »

We're practically there really, aren't we. It would take a massive leap to make that call but it makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels.

Like if you're heading away for a weeks training camp in April, you're a professional. But that's another debate but along the same lines.

Getting there certainly

The well overdue decision to restrict county seniors from playing county under 20 is another step to having players' exclusively playing County senior football

PARlance

jr86 wrote: »

It's the same in many counties from what I hear, the county players have barely trained with the club even in April, while there's championship going on. Are we all that far away from county players being completely unavailable for club duty I wonder (like Irish pro rugby and AIL?)

We're practically there really, aren't we. It would take a massive leap to make that call but it makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels.

Like if you're heading away for a weeks training camp in April, you're a professional. But that's another debate but along the same lines.

jr86

Ah 2011 was a very positive year. To go from absolute rock bottom in 2010 to a year were we beat the reigning Champions (who were massive odds-on) and we gave Kerry plenty of it for a lot of that match. Given the thumpings we took in 2004 and 2006, 2011 had much more of a positive feel, particular given our age profile.

jr86

PARlance wrote: »

Plenty of hard work was done this week from what I've heard. Not exactly a month for Clubs when there's a weeks training camp right in the middle of it but County first.

It's the same in many counties from what I hear, the county players have barely trained with the club even in April, while there's championship going on. Are we all that far away from county players being completely unavailable for club duty I wonder (like Irish pro rugby and AIL?)

PARlance

Plenty of hard work was done this week from what I've heard. Not exactly a month for Clubs when there's a weeks training camp right in the middle of it but County first.

blowitupref

Always_Running wrote: »

From what i recall Mayo were favourites going into that Connacht final as they were made favourties after beating Galway and the fact that Roscommon were playing their league football in Div 4 that year.

Correct. Odds was Mayo 4/6 Roscommon 6/4.